Lets talk all things Star Wars

[Paul Andrew]

One of the many reasons ROGUE ONE is dumb and overrated. Fixing “plot holes” which don’t actually exist.


Anyway, I just popped in here to take the temperature of the room. Me, I stick with what I’ve been saying for years, now:


It’s over. They killed it. There’s no coming back, no way to unring the bell. It had its time.


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The only thing that lispy Furry, Filoni, will be “saving” is me, from wasting my money on any of the sludge this once-great franchise now excretes.

I'm a little unclear, you're saying you don't like new Star Wars?

And Vader just happened to be in one of the only hyperdrive equipped TIE Fighters on the Death Star. I think he was ready to get the heck out of there.

It's his personal TIE fighter, and a prototypical version of the Interceptor IIRC.


I'm cautiously optimistic about Filoni's tenure as creative head. The guy knows Star Wars as well as anyone, and he has good story telling instincts. For a certain breed of fan it won't matter anymore, but I like to think that with him in charge of the story stuff we'll finally be on track for some great films again.

 

[pengbuzz]

One of the many reasons ROGUE ONE is dumb and overrated. Fixing “plot holes” which don’t actually exist.


Anyway, I just popped in here to take the temperature of the room. Me, I stick with what I’ve been saying for years, now:


It’s over. They killed it. There’s no coming back, no way to unring the bell. It had its time.


Just enjoy the old stuff, and keep the memories and the spirit alive. That’s what actually matters.

The continued failure of DisneyWARS is the absolute best thing that could happen. It will create a sharp dividing line in the history books between Lucas Era and Disney Era. This absolute destruction of the most beloved and influential franchise in cinema history has assured the legacy of George Lucas and his films. No one else was able to come close to what he achieved, much less top it.

Instead of “rescuing” the franchise from Lucas and his unjustly-attacked prequels, Disney ensured his enshrinement. Nimrods like Red Letter Media whined and begged for someone—ANYONE—else to take charge of STAR WARS, and so we ended up with a perfect case of “be careful what you wish for”.

The fatal of flaw of these detractors is that they failed to realize that STAR WARS IS George Lucas. His vision, his story, his obsessions, his quirks, his art. The EU was fun and all, but there is no STAR WARS without Lucas. It should never have continued without him. They’re just too inextricably linked. STAR WARS ended on May 19th, 2005, when his final artistic statement with it, REVENGE OF THE SITH, was released.


The one and only thing that Kennedy and Disney have succeeded in doing is providing a sharp contrast with the Lucas Era. People now realize—far too late—how good they actually had it with Lucas. How much artistry and passion he put into his films. The original trilogy has become legend. The prequels have finally found their audience, and have been reappraised. People are waking up to the difference between an artist who actually CARES and respects his audience, and a soulless corporation. And there’s no comparison.

The only thing that lispy Furry, Filoni, will be “saving” is me, from wasting my money on any of the sludge this once-great franchise now excretes.

Well, once they're finished destroying all franchises and there is no entertainment left, then people can cry and wail how they no longer have these things.

If they want "Star Wars", they can settle for this (it even has a "death star"):

Spoiler

Of course they'll have to wait for it a bit.

(sorry, I'm in a bad mood tonight )

 

[Psab keel]

I came across this a while ago, but it's such a fun little time capsule.

 

[Solo4114]

I'm a little unclear, you're saying you don't like new Star Wars?



It's his personal TIE fighter, and a prototypical version of the Interceptor IIRC.


I'm cautiously optimistic about Filoni's tenure as creative head. The guy knows Star Wars as well as anyone, and he has good story telling instincts. For a certain breed of fan it won't matter anymore, but I like to think that with him in charge of the story stuff we'll finally be on track for some great films again.

If I had to guess, the whole "It's the only ship with a hyperdrive" thing was a post hoc explanation to close up the plot hole of "A ship that small couldn't have gotten out here on its own" while explaining why Vader shows up in the next film and isn't dead. From there you start to build a whole bunch of long-established lore points (e.g., rebel ships have hyperdrives, because that's how Luke gets to Dagobah; Imperial fighters don't have shields because that's how Wedge rams one; Imperials rely on mass numbers of disposable forces because they can, while Rebels are smaller and therefore protect their people more based on the previous two points; rebels use hit-and-run tactics), all because someone's like "Hey....how did Vader survive anyway?"

 

[batguy]

The more entries a franchise has, the more the post-hoc explanations accumulate and gum up the works . . . .

 

[Joek3rr]

The more entries a franchise has, the more the post-hoc explanations accumulate and gum up the works . . . .

90% of Star Wars's "continuity" is retroactive. Lol Fans and Lucasfilm have been doing since Episode V, gave a bunch of narrative and visual retcons.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Star Wars was essentially dead to the public-at-large in the mid 80s to early 90s/ I know, because I lived it. After ROTJ and the 2 Ewok TV movies, there was no SW. The "last 17" action figures in the Power of the Force line were NOT flying off the shelves. The film trilogy was over. People moved on.

Star Tours opened in Disneyland in 1987; Mark Hamill said that when people would ask him about more SW films, now they had this Disneyland simulator attraction to scratch that itch.

It wasn't until the 1990s with the Zahn Trilogy that there was any resurgence (and nostalgia) for SW; then in 1997 with the OT Special Editions and the announcement that Lucasfilm was making the Prequel Trilogy.

Correct—Star Wars was in “has been” status by around 1985 / 1986…almost as dead as disco.

I remember, by that time, seeing bins of Star Wars figures for $1.00 a piece at KB Toys (tons of Tri-Logo cards and my boy, Rancor Keeper, AKA King of the Peg Warmers) and passing them up and heading to the Laser Tag section…

 

[CopperRevan]

I came across this a while ago, but it's such a fun little time capsule.

I could watch things like this forever

 

[Joek3rr]

Kinda a strange question for everyone. Does anyone on here own a copy of The Essential Guide to Warfare?

 

[Riceball]

In regard to the Empire being overconfident, they had every right to be. Up until the very end they were wiping the floor with the Rebel strike force. Most of the strike force had been wiped out or otherwise rendered ineffective. They had no idea that there was a Force user out there who could make that one in a million shot, Vader didn't even sense Luke until he had him in his targeting computer. And he was a second away from blowing Luke away when Han had a change of heart and flew in and nailed one of Vader's wingmen at the very last second allowing Luke the time needed to get that shot off. So up until the very last second it looked very much like the Rebel attack was going to fail, the Rebels on Yavin were probably thinking the same thing too and were wondering if it was too late to start evacuating.

 

[Psab keel]

In regard to the Empire being overconfident, they had every right to be. Up until the very end they were wiping the floor with the Rebel strike force. Most of the strike force had been wiped out or otherwise rendered ineffective. They had no idea that there was a Force user out there who could make that one in a million shot, Vader didn't even sense Luke until he had him in his targeting computer. And he was a second away from blowing Luke away when Han had a change of heart and flew in and nailed one of Vader's wingmen at the very last second allowing Luke the time needed to get that shot off. So up until the very last second it looked very much like the Rebel attack was going to fail, the Rebels on Yavin were probably thinking the same thing too and were wondering if it was too late to start evacuating.

Which is what makes the climax of that movie so damn satisfying. No matter how many times I see it, I'm always on the edge of my seat. By ratcheting up the tension and the stakes it only makes Luke's triumph that much more powerful.

 

[pengbuzz]

Kinda a strange question for everyone. Does anyone on here own a copy of The Essential Guide to Warfare?

No, but the mention of such a title intrigues me.

Thinking of looking for this online...

 

[Joek3rr]

No, but the mention of such a title intrigues me.

Thinking of looking for this online...

It's a really good book.

But a question on Reddit has come up. Two redditors we're having a discussion and found they were referencing two different editions or the book. One claimed his book had 2017 copyright in it. But everyone else seems to have a book with 2012 copyright. So we're trying to track down what's going on.

 

[Halliwax]

Correct—Star Wars was in “has been” status by around 1985 / 1986…almost as dead as disco.

I remember, by that time, seeing bins of Star Wars figures for $1.00 a piece at KB Toys (tons of Tri-Logo cards and my boy, Rancor Keeper, AKA King of the Peg Warmers) and passing them up and heading to the Laser Tag section…

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Laser tag, hell yeah!!

 

[pengbuzz]

Laser tag, hell yeah!!

I had the Starlight Pro (rifle):

(Maybe we need a Lazer Tag topic?)

 

[Halliwax]

Damn!!!

 

[pengbuzz]

Lazer Tag topic up now:

https://www.therpf.com/forums/threads/so-who-used-to-do-lazer-tag.354986/

Now, back to our previous argument discussion on Star Wars.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I'm a little unclear, you're saying you don't like new Star Wars?



It's his personal TIE fighter, and a prototypical version of the Interceptor IIRC.


I'm cautiously optimistic about Filoni's tenure as creative head. The guy knows Star Wars as well as anyone, and he has good story telling instincts. For a certain breed of fan it won't matter anymore, but I like to think that with him in charge of the story stuff we'll finally be on track for some great films again.

I know it was his personal fighter, I was trying to be funny. I do appreciate that someone still gives me enough credit that I might be saying something serious though!


I still have some faith in Filoni, it's everyone else, like the story group, that I have zero confidence in. Until they get back to the story being the main focus, then I don't think we'll ever get any good SW stories again.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

I had the Starlight Pro (rifle):

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(Maybe we need a Lazer Tag topic?)

Because this is a prop forum, I do have to point out that the Lazer Tag rifle…

…was the inspiration for the design of the First Contact Phaser Rifles

 

[CB2001]

Because this is a prop forum, I do have to point out that the Lazer Tag rifle…

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…was the inspiration for the design of the First Contact Phaser Rifles

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And the Starlyte rifle was used in an episode in the final season of Killjoys, completely unmodified. XD