Paul Andrew
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It's difficult to overstate how much influence JW had on me as a kid. Star Wars, Indy, Superman, JP, Hook... the guy scored my whole childhood.
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I hope kylo killed her at the temple…
Joek3rr
Master Member
What a miserable fate for an awesome character. I hope they don't use her. We don't need remixed EU content, bastardized. Just for people to say 'look it's canon now!'
Greenie
Sr Member
Not a fan of the Emperor’s hand?
You know it’ll happen. She’ll blame Ashoka for leaving Anakin, allowing him to turn to the dark side and eventually killing her master (with no mention of Luke’s part in that whole saga) “I must kill Ahsoka Tano”.
But eventually she will get over it and they will fall in love!
Her connections to Luke were probably why I didn't really care for her either way.
No I love her, but that would be the only reason I could see Luke saying “f this Jedi stuff I’m done”
I'm in the "I don't want them to ruin any more characters" camp. Mara doesn't deserve what Disney would do to her. She's been through enough.
Same here.
I'd love to see the Zahn trilogy as movies, but not with Disney at the controls. Literally anything they do right now is likely to be weak crap that abuses the source material. That's the most probable outcome based on their recent track record.
I think if the Zahn trilogy were done, it should be as animation and not live action (and definitely not by Disney!). I'd also like to see Shadows of the Empire done as well. But perhaps, all of that is best left as it stands.
Greenie
Sr Member
Absolutely. I’d love to see the Thrawn trilogy in animation. It’s the only way to maintain all elements of the books. I know some are not so keen on the style of TCW, possibly the marionette characters but it is visually gorgeous. I think an episodic matinee series could do it justice. Obviously, out of the hands of Filoni and Disney.
Joek3rr
Master Member
I'd like to see it done by one of the small independent studios that they get to do the Star Wars Visions. I suspect they'd make a better, more faithful adaptation, that Disney/Lucasfilm themselves.
Solo4114
Master Member
Eh I dunno. I've never been that precious about Mara Jade. She was a cool character for the first couple books I saw her in, but because I never read past the Black Fleet Crisis, I never got to where she marries Luke and they have a kid and she's a badass Jedi and blah blah blah because it all just sounds like crappy fanfic to me at that point. I don't know just how "dirty" Disney could do her, given what I heard about the character's actual story.
And to be clear, I don't mean to crap on anyone's sense of nostalgia or enjoyment of simpler times vis a vis Star Wars. Dig what you dig. It doesn't hurt me any. But I don't think we should pretend as if the EU novels were anything especially good. Certainly, the run of novels I read felt like a lot of recycled crap that seemed to want to both freeze its characters in amber, and also somehow have them grow? Yeah, that doesn't really work so well. Then I gather to shake things up, they dropped a planet on Chewie to be all dark and badass. What that taught me was "Stop asking 'and then what happened' because eventually the answer is sad and you don't like it."
And to be clear, I don't mean to crap on anyone's sense of nostalgia or enjoyment of simpler times vis a vis Star Wars. Dig what you dig. It doesn't hurt me any. But I don't think we should pretend as if the EU novels were anything especially good. Certainly, the run of novels I read felt like a lot of recycled crap that seemed to want to both freeze its characters in amber, and also somehow have them grow? Yeah, that doesn't really work so well. Then I gather to shake things up, they dropped a planet on Chewie to be all dark and badass. What that taught me was "Stop asking 'and then what happened' because eventually the answer is sad and you don't like it."
Much of the EU was crap.
Yet the Zahn trilogy was not crap. It would, in fact, be a shame for modern Disney to adapt it and foul it up.
Disney is not in the habit of subtracting things from the continuity. Every time they screw something up it causes more lasting damage to the franchise.
I hesitate to call the damage 'permanent' because in theory it can be undone. But significant retcons are like bringing back dead characters. It's a drastic move that has its own set of lasting negative side effects.
It's never harmless to release crap in a franchise with ongoing continuity.
Yet the Zahn trilogy was not crap. It would, in fact, be a shame for modern Disney to adapt it and foul it up.
Disney is not in the habit of subtracting things from the continuity. Every time they screw something up it causes more lasting damage to the franchise.
I hesitate to call the damage 'permanent' because in theory it can be undone. But significant retcons are like bringing back dead characters. It's a drastic move that has its own set of lasting negative side effects.
It's never harmless to release crap in a franchise with ongoing continuity.
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Wakeem
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Personally I thought the books I read in between the release of the prequels were good at the time. I only read them once and the majority were hardcover. As a kid, I thought hardcovers were more important or meaningful. I still have them boxed away.
Certainly the stories in those books (and some comics) were better than what we ended up with in the Sequel Trilogy. The final movie of which I still haven't seen completely.
If it was me, I would start with rebooting / remake the Prequels. But of course, that's not going to happen. So then I would get as far away from the time period of the Original Trilogy. Future or Past.
Certainly the stories in those books (and some comics) were better than what we ended up with in the Sequel Trilogy. The final movie of which I still haven't seen completely.
If it was me, I would start with rebooting / remake the Prequels. But of course, that's not going to happen. So then I would get as far away from the time period of the Original Trilogy. Future or Past.
Solo4114
Master Member
Yeah, the original Zahn trilogy felt like proper sequels to the films. I enjoyed them for decades after first reading them, although I haven't re-read them in ages. I probably still have my old paperbacks boxed up somewhere.
But the rest of the books? Glorified fan-fic. Some interesting concepts here and there, but soooo many superweapons and Jedi powers getting out of control and yet another Imperial warlord threatening the New Republic and blah blah blah. I read from the first Zahn trilogy up thru the Black Fleet Crisis, and then said "These...really aren't very good." The X-Wing novels were, as I recall, the one exception, but I got into those late in my reading of these books, and just kinda ran out of gas before I got very far with them. The stuff I read was: Zahn trilogy, Truce at Bakura, Jedi Academy trilogy, Courtship of Princess Leia, Crystal Star (ugh), Corellian trilogy, Children of the Jedi (ugh), Darksaber, Black Fleet Crisis trilogy, and then a handful of X-wing novels and the Brian Daley Han Solo trilogy (which I actually kinda love). Oh, and I think Planet of Twilight (pass), and New Rebellion (also pass). In those books, there were only a few that were genuinely good, a bunch that were mediocre, and plenty that I was more than happy to give away.
I never read the stuff after about 1997. I'd been reading most of what was released for about 6 years by that point, and just got fed up.
These days, I collect hardcover books because I like the look of 'em better, and I prefer reading them in bed at night, although I also like having a paperback copy I can tote around if I want to read on the go. But I prefer hardcover. Hardcovers hold up better over time, too, in my experience.
And I've long been of the opinion that the way to handle storytelling in the Star Wars series is to kick the story several generations into the future such that the heroes of the OT were practically figures of legend by that point (to the extent they're remembered at all).
Rawktrooper
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I read most of the old novels and still have some. I didnt like a few, mostly in one particular series, but the rest i always thought were great story and added to the overall. Granted, most of these that i remember had to do with the core character set, but there were always new characters introduced and allowed for expansion to the galaxy. The stories didnt change characters overall identities, and built on each other as a cohesive total story.
I hate to beat an old hat, but When Disney deleted these from the "canon" of possibilities, they lost a lot of the fan base. Yada Yada Yada, problems.
At any rate.. i would love to see those old books, or some of them, be made into movies as they were written. There would be immediate speculation about what they might change for what reason, or who they might change because of whatever cultural problem they have with them now, but i can almost guarantee a great showing if they did these in a truthful representation of the original story and proper homage to the characters as they were originally written.
The original Thrawn trilogy.. the Heir to the Empire trilogy. maybe even the Dark Empire graphic novel series? even if they crawled an explanation of the what ifs of Luke taking Vaders place as a way to keep this separate from the official timeline.. whatever that is now.. if they want to do that. How about Splinter of the Minds Eye? or even the original Han Solo trilogy from back in the day? How about licensing and letting some more independent companies tackle these with a good budget? just for fun.
It wont happen.. but it would be awesome to even know this is being talked about in the industry.
looks like we were on the same page Solo4114..
I hate to beat an old hat, but When Disney deleted these from the "canon" of possibilities, they lost a lot of the fan base. Yada Yada Yada, problems.
At any rate.. i would love to see those old books, or some of them, be made into movies as they were written. There would be immediate speculation about what they might change for what reason, or who they might change because of whatever cultural problem they have with them now, but i can almost guarantee a great showing if they did these in a truthful representation of the original story and proper homage to the characters as they were originally written.
The original Thrawn trilogy.. the Heir to the Empire trilogy. maybe even the Dark Empire graphic novel series? even if they crawled an explanation of the what ifs of Luke taking Vaders place as a way to keep this separate from the official timeline.. whatever that is now.. if they want to do that. How about Splinter of the Minds Eye? or even the original Han Solo trilogy from back in the day? How about licensing and letting some more independent companies tackle these with a good budget? just for fun.
It wont happen.. but it would be awesome to even know this is being talked about in the industry.
looks like we were on the same page Solo4114..
Yeah; one thing I dislike is them feeling they need to destroy everything, as if going to complete pieces and ending up a worthless wreck is somehow heroic to them.
Tell all the new stories you want, even if they don't appeal to me. Just don't celebrate apathy as a virtue. So many stories now are teaching horrible lessons to audiences. I have an ethical objection to this trend. As in, a deep, moral objection to it.
Same here: they're pretty much trying to sell evil as "good" and good evil, and I abhor it. The things we learned about concerning right and wrong and what makes a hero and a villain growing up have been utterly twisted.
The cover changes, as do the props as settings... but the rotten core remains the same.
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