Well the rumor is that Disney and KK were majorly pissed because of it and then magically a few weeks later Dave Filoni is in charge of SW. So I'm somewhat inclined to believe that rumor was true.
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Well the rumor is that Disney and KK were majorly pissed because of it and then magically a few weeks later Dave Filoni is in charge of SW. So I'm somewhat inclined to believe that rumor was true.
Solo4114
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To some extent, I'd also argue that West End Games' Star Wars RPG, first published in 1987, did a TON to revitalize the franchise if only because it created a wealth of sourcebooks and material from which Zahn drew. His world felt real because the WEG crew had bothered to make it more real. That's not to say that WEG was solely responsible for the improvement, but rather that they helped lay the groundwork upon which Zahn built so well.
On an unrelated note, I have, right here on my desk, a Rebel General Lando POTF coin if anyone's interested in purchasing it.
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Yeah it's a valid point that the dated elements of SW are mostly not critical to the storytelling. It was always mythology-in-space and the dated elements are not what makes it resonate. I guess I'm saying the show is looking dated in the sense that George's 6 episodes are clearly not movies made in the 2020s.
Once kids start feeling like a show is from a previous era, it loses something. 20th-century rock tunes are not candidates for being #1 hits with modern 14yos no matter how good the song might be. Eventually the culture just moves on. There are exceptions, but in those cases the old song typically hitched a ride back into modern culture somehow. Maybe it got sampled & re-mixed by a newer artist. Or it was used on the soundtrack of a new hit TV/movie.
Things are "of their era" and the link is part of its value in its own time. Star Wars was most culturally valuable in the 1970s/80s. They are still good movies, yeah, but so are John Ford's westerns. Even Disney's early iconic animated movies are feeling somewhat dated now. It happens to everything.
Disney caving to South Park -
Is Kennedy even out of power? Do we even know that yet? Either way it's not gonna happen over a South Park rip.
I think George must have written the contract to make Kennedy un-fire-able when he sold the farm to Disney a decade ago. George agreed to her getting the job at the time of the sale, that is known.
It's the best explanation for her staying in power as long as she has. She should have been sent packing 5 years ago if job performance mattered. Executive producers aren't supposed to shoot every movie 1.5x to get a usable version.
Yeah it's a valid point that the dated elements of SW are mostly not critical to the storytelling. It was always mythology-in-space and the dated elements are not what makes it resonate. I guess I'm saying the show is looking dated in the sense that George's 6 episodes are clearly not movies made in the 2020s.
Once kids start feeling like a show is from a previous era, it loses something. 20th-century rock tunes are not candidates for being #1 hits with modern 14yos no matter how good the song might be. Eventually the culture just moves on. There are exceptions, but in those cases the old song typically hitched a ride back into modern culture somehow. Maybe it got sampled & re-mixed by a newer artist. Or it was used on the soundtrack of a new hit TV/movie.
Things are "of their era" and the link is part of its value in its own time. Star Wars was most culturally valuable in the 1970s/80s. They are still good movies, yeah, but so are John Ford's westerns. Even Disney's early iconic animated movies are feeling somewhat dated now. It happens to everything.
Disney caving to South Park -
Is Kennedy even out of power? Do we even know that yet? Either way it's not gonna happen over a South Park rip.
I think George must have written the contract to make Kennedy un-fire-able when he sold the farm to Disney a decade ago. George agreed to her getting the job at the time of the sale, that is known.
It's the best explanation for her staying in power as long as she has. She should have been sent packing 5 years ago if job performance mattered. Executive producers aren't supposed to shoot every movie 1.5x to get a usable version.
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HeartBlade
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Lets be honest, this is wishful thinking at best. It would be dumb for a corporation to make a major change such as switching a person’s role in a company, especially a c-suite executive, because of public opinion. Unless they did something majorly illegal that get the company in trouble (like embezzlement), there wont be moves based on public opinion.
This is likely just coincidence or Trey and Parker heard rumors from the grapevine and released their episode at a nice time. Its also not easy to fire or move an executive in such short notice so this had to be on the books well before the South Park release.
Kennedy hasnt been running Lucasfilm well, anyone can see that. And the fact that she lost her credibility as a source to announce upcoming projects (and even Disney Star Wars fans are wary or indifferent until the product is actually released) it just bad. She has lost her ability to influence and generate excitement, lost the trust of the customer because she has failed to deliver a product too many times. Its doubtful she lost her position but given fans general acceptance of Filoni, he is made an executive to spark excitement about upcoming projects.
Filoni is not the savior though and has a ton of issues with Star Wars as well that fans seem to not to want to acknowledge. He has a clear bias for his Filoni wars, namely his clone wars series OG Ahsoka. Apparently Lucas wanted her to die (which would make sense for Anakin’s development. Loses his only padawan despite his supposed strength as the one so fears being unable to protect his loved ones. Seeing her death as a force vision will also further strengthen his trauma and determination to save Padme in Episode 3) but Filoni refused.
Filoni has shoved Ahsoka into more Star wars material with Rebels, Mando, and now her own series. As the former apprentice of Anakin, now essentially the first “grey jedi” in all but name, and likely the last surviving jedi “master” now that Luke, Leia, and Ben are dead; I can see Ahsoka training Rey and becoming the new Yoda or something which also feels wrong in my opinion.
Question…
So a new hope was on early the other morning, while I’m riding my bike in front of the tv I thought of something I never thought of before…
While the rebels are in the trench trying to drop the bomb… does Vader and the empire know the weakness that is there? Do they know what the rebels are attempting and how serious this could be?
Possibly not? That’s why there is no rush or tension to shoot these guys down and vader seems to be toying with them one by one?
I was just curious if anyone knew the answer to this, if it was written somewhere or explained if they knew exactly what the rebels were up to in that trench
So a new hope was on early the other morning, while I’m riding my bike in front of the tv I thought of something I never thought of before…
While the rebels are in the trench trying to drop the bomb… does Vader and the empire know the weakness that is there? Do they know what the rebels are attempting and how serious this could be?
Possibly not? That’s why there is no rush or tension to shoot these guys down and vader seems to be toying with them one by one?
I was just curious if anyone knew the answer to this, if it was written somewhere or explained if they knew exactly what the rebels were up to in that trench
"We've analyzed their attack sir, and there is a danger. Should I have your ship standing by?"
I dunno about Vader but Tarkin was warned.
I've always wondered what good that ship would have actually been to Tarkin. Look how quickly the DS blew after Luke's kill shot.
The editing of Luke & Han's escape from the blast radius implies that the explosion was delayed a bit longer than the literal movie footage. But it couldn't have been much longer. The DS was so close to firing on the Yavin base.
alluvial damper
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From the script :
OFFICER
We've analyzed their attack, sir,
and there is a danger. Should I have
your ship standing by?
OFFICER
We've analyzed their attack, sir,
and there is a danger. Should I have
your ship standing by?
CopperRevan
Master Member
I knew It!!! Kylo Ren was undercover as a Jawa the whole time...But i've seen stranger things in Star Wars before
To some extent, I'd also argue that West End Games' Star Wars RPG, first published in 1987, did a TON to revitalize the franchise if only because it created a wealth of sourcebooks and material from which Zahn drew. His world felt real because the WEG crew had bothered to make it more real. That's not to say that WEG was solely responsible for the improvement, but rather that they helped lay the groundwork upon which Zahn built so well.
On an unrelated note, I have, right here on my desk, a Rebel General Lando POTF coin if anyone's interested in purchasing it.
Yes, there were the niche dedicated fanbases (RPG, conventions, etc) but those were relegated to the... well... RPG crowd and "con" crowd. Still the nerdy/geeky fanbase that helped to keep the embers burning. But in the pop culture, SW just wasn't a "thing" to any large extent.
And you know, that was OK at the time. SW doesn't ALWAYS have to be a "thing."
The children in that on set pic from Elstree 1976 were Peter Diamond's sons (Warwick & Fraser).
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Hey, that's also Geoff Peterson the gay robot sidekick from the Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson!
(aka George Lucas, aka Josh Robert Thompson)
CopperRevan
Master Member
yeah, i just reverted to my "Dad Joke" self which was the first thing i thought of when viewing the picture.
That bit of dialog, including Tarkin's response:
"Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances!"
This exchange, coupled with the briefing scene where the Rebels explain to the pilots (ie. the audience) how slim their chances of success are, is proof positive that it was the arrogance of the Empire that led to their downfall. That shot into the exhaust port was one in a million and the entire film hinges on Luke making it, and even then he wouldn't have been able to without Han intervening. They may have won, but it was by the skin of their teeth.
In the years before Rogue One came out there's been this idea that the thermal exhaust port was a "plot hole" when in reality there's well placed exposition that validates it's existence. Thermal management is key to the survival of electronic equipment and so, expelling that heat is necessary. Filling up that port wasn't an option. Even cars need an exhaust to function. Why wouldn't a space station need one? Especially from a source that is generating power/heat for something the size of a small moon? The port itself was tiny (in comparison to the size of the station), it was placed inside a trench (making it far more difficult to access), it was protected by surface mounted gun towers, and it was ray shielded. Four separate layers of protection. The Empire's arrogance made them believe they were invulnerable, even if they knew the Rebels were planning an attack with a tiny fleet of "small, one man fighters." What difference would it make to the Empire? For all they were concerned about, they had the upper hand.
The original Star Wars may be simple in a lot of ways, but if you really look at it, there's a brilliance in that. It sets things up very clearly, without talking down to the audience.
Hopefully those points might help answer your question Halliwax
Yes indeed. He's so talented and so funny. His Morgan Freeman impression is spot on.
4am comes early… I totally forgot and missed the dialog with Tarkin. Totally remember that part.That bit of dialog, including Tarkin's response:
"Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances!"
This exchange, coupled with the briefing scene where the Rebels explain to the pilots (ie. the audience) how slim their chances of success are, is proof positive that it was the arrogance of the Empire that led to their downfall. That shot into the exhaust port was one in a million and the entire film hinges on Luke making it, and even then he wouldn't have been able to without Han intervening. They may have won, but it was by the skin of their teeth.
In the years before Rogue One came out there's been this idea that the thermal exhaust port was a "plot hole" when in reality there's well placed exposition that validates it's existence. Thermal management is key to the survival of electronic equipment and so, expelling that heat is necessary. Filling up that port wasn't an option. Even cars need an exhaust to function. Why wouldn't a space station need one? Especially from a source that is generating power/heat for something the size of a small moon? The port itself was tiny (in comparison to the size of the station), it was placed inside a trench (making it far more difficult to access), it was protected by surface mounted gun towers, and it was ray shielded. Four separate layers of protection. The Empire's arrogance made them believe they were invulnerable, even if they knew the Rebels were planning an attack with a tiny fleet of "small, one man fighters." What difference would it make to the Empire? For all they were concerned about, they had the upper hand.
The original Star Wars may be simple in a lot of ways, but if you really look at it, there's a brilliance in that. It sets things up very clearly, without talking down to the audience.
Hopefully those points might help answer your question Halliwax
Yes indeed. He's so talented and so funny. His Morgan Freeman impression is spot on.
Wasn’t thinking straight that early in the morning lol
Exactly; a thermal port that size on a moon-scaled battle station would be nearly impossible to find unless you knew exactly where to look for it. And with no one knowing of its' existence (without the blueprints), you'd have to guess where on the station it was. And even knowing it was in one of the trenches, most would begin looking in the main equatorial trench (the big one where the hangars are), not the polar trench where it was actually located.That bit of dialog, including Tarkin's response:
"Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances!"
This exchange, coupled with the briefing scene where the Rebels explain to the pilots (ie. the audience) how slim their chances of success are, is proof positive that it was the arrogance of the Empire that led to their downfall. That shot into the exhaust port was one in a million and the entire film hinges on Luke making it, and even then he wouldn't have been able to without Han intervening. They may have won, but it was by the skin of their teeth.
In the years before Rogue One came out there's been this idea that the thermal exhaust port was a "plot hole" when in reality there's well placed exposition that validates it's existence. Thermal management is key to the survival of electronic equipment and so, expelling that heat is necessary. Filling up that port wasn't an option. Even cars need an exhaust to function. Why wouldn't a space station need one? Especially from a source that is generating power/heat for something the size of a small moon? The port itself was tiny (in comparison to the size of the station), it was placed inside a trench (making it far more difficult to access), it was protected by surface mounted gun towers, and it was ray shielded. Four separate layers of protection. The Empire's arrogance made them believe they were invulnerable, even if they knew the Rebels were planning an attack with a tiny fleet of "small, one man fighters." What difference would it make to the Empire? For all they were concerned about, they had the upper hand.
The original Star Wars may be simple in a lot of ways, but if you really look at it, there's a brilliance in that. It sets things up very clearly, without talking down to the audience.
Hopefully those points might help answer your question Halliwax
And as you pointed out: size, location, ray shields and turbolaser turrets protected it, so the odds of exploiting this chink the the Death Star's defenses truly were astronomical, to say the least.
I think in Vader's case, he was overconfident in his ability to shoot down the Rebel fighters. I do believe he was concerned about the thermal exhaust port liability, as he directly ordered a pair of TIE pilots to come with him as his wingmen:
"Several fighters have broken off from the main group. Come with me."
And Vader just happened to be in one of the only hyperdrive equipped TIE Fighters on the Death Star. I think he was ready to get the heck out of there.
I read an old interview (2005 or so) with Ian McDiarmid and he seemed to suggest that Sidious possibly had something to do with Shmi being captured by the Sandpeople. I had never thought of that, but it makes sense because it would be another thing to piss Anakin off and drive him closer to the Dark Side. It was a kind of "I'm not saying that's what happened, but wouldn't that be interesting?" *wink*. I wonder if Lucas said something about that to him or if he just saying it would make sense.
That bit of dialog, including Tarkin's response:
"Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances!"
This exchange, coupled with the briefing scene where the Rebels explain to the pilots (ie. the audience) how slim their chances of success are, is proof positive that it was the arrogance of the Empire that led to their downfall. That shot into the exhaust port was one in a million and the entire film hinges on Luke making it, and even then he wouldn't have been able to without Han intervening. They may have won, but it was by the skin of their teeth.
In the years before Rogue One came out there's been this idea that the thermal exhaust port was a "plot hole" when in reality there's well placed exposition that validates it's existence. Thermal management is key to the survival of electronic equipment and so, expelling that heat is necessary. Filling up that port wasn't an option. Even cars need an exhaust to function. Why wouldn't a space station need one? Especially from a source that is generating power/heat for something the size of a small moon? The port itself was tiny (in comparison to the size of the station), it was placed inside a trench (making it far more difficult to access), it was protected by surface mounted gun towers, and it was ray shielded. Four separate layers of protection. The Empire's arrogance made them believe they were invulnerable, even if they knew the Rebels were planning an attack with a tiny fleet of "small, one man fighters." What difference would it make to the Empire? For all they were concerned about, they had the upper hand.
The original Star Wars may be simple in a lot of ways, but if you really look at it, there's a brilliance in that. It sets things up very clearly, without talking down to the audience.
Hopefully those points might help answer your question Halliwax
Yes indeed. He's so talented and so funny. His Morgan Freeman impression is spot on.
One of the many reasons ROGUE ONE is dumb and overrated. Fixing “plot holes” which don’t actually exist.
Anyway, I just popped in here to take the temperature of the room. Me, I stick with what I’ve been saying for years, now:
It’s over. They killed it. There’s no coming back, no way to unring the bell. It had its time.
Just enjoy the old stuff, and keep the memories and the spirit alive. That’s what actually matters.
The continued failure of DisneyWARS is the absolute best thing that could happen. It will create a sharp dividing line in the history books between Lucas Era and Disney Era. This absolute destruction of the most beloved and influential franchise in cinema history has assured the legacy of George Lucas and his films. No one else was able to come close to what he achieved, much less top it.
Instead of “rescuing” the franchise from Lucas and his unjustly-attacked prequels, Disney ensured his enshrinement. Nimrods like Red Letter Media whined and begged for someone—ANYONE—else to take charge of STAR WARS, and so we ended up with a perfect case of “be careful what you wish for”.
The fatal of flaw of these detractors is that they failed to realize that STAR WARS IS George Lucas. His vision, his story, his obsessions, his quirks, his art. The EU was fun and all, but there is no STAR WARS without Lucas. It should never have continued without him. They’re just too inextricably linked. STAR WARS ended on May 19th, 2005, when his final artistic statement with it, REVENGE OF THE SITH, was released.
The one and only thing that Kennedy and Disney have succeeded in doing is providing a sharp contrast with the Lucas Era. People now realize—far too late—how good they actually had it with Lucas. How much artistry and passion he put into his films. The original trilogy has become legend. The prequels have finally found their audience, and have been reappraised. People are waking up to the difference between an artist who actually CARES and respects his audience, and a soulless corporation. And there’s no comparison.
The only thing that lispy Furry, Filoni, will be “saving” is me, from wasting my money on any of the sludge this once-great franchise now excretes.
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