chazzychaz
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Another (another) SS TIE Bomber
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thibkaji
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Been a minute since I posted an update. I promised a bomb chute, wing details and molding goodness. So here we go!
The bomb chute is mostly made up of Mörser Karl parts, with some Hanomag, Leopold, and Sd.Ah.52 thrown in for fun! I cut all my needed parts out and got them ready for modification and assembly.
I chose to start with the lower section. I cut up the Karl parts to make up the left/right halves of that section, noting that (from the front) the left side section is a little wider than the right. Shown here, the dark gray section is the wider part.
To give some rigity to the parts when glued end-to-end, I went ahead and glued some thin strip material behind it for support. Did two supports in the back to work around the gap in the cut halves, as that’s a visible gap on the filming model. The front doesn’t have this gap, so I centered it more.
You can see that gap on the back here.
After gluing the two halves around the Leopold parts, I sanded the bottom sections that extended past it flush, and attached the Hanomag parts front and back. I also cut out the opening on the bottom. There’s also another Mörser Karl part that gets glued in on the bottom, but I forgot to snag a pic of that (update: added the pic of the bottom!).
Karl part on the bottom:
And on the bottom for mine as well:
On top there are two additional boxes from the Karl that get mounted on either side, along with what I think are axles from the Sd.Ah.52.
Lastly, cut off three parts off two F47s from the Karl that get glued back-to-back to make up the center support/chute section that connect back to the fuselage. I carefully aligned the markings on the sides of the chute to the references and sanded the top section to fit to the fuselage. Finally, glued that section in and with that the bomb drop/chute section is complete!
And with that, on to the outer wing details. I checked multiple references and came up with discrepancies between Moskas parts reference and actual pics of the filming model, so of course went with the latter. Most of this was attaching .040” half-rounds to the outer wings, and .010” thick stock cut into various shapes where applicable. Finally, gun barrels from the Rodney were added along the tops of the wings, which is the only place those appear to be.
You get the idea! LOL
Now, onto molding fun! On one of my previous posts I made up a wing connector and said I didn’t ever want to do that again. So making a cast of the part seemed like the next logical solution.
I won’t bore everyone with the details of how to make a mold (YouTube is great for that), but suffice to say after 1-2 tries, I was able to make a very good copy of the wing connector.
Is it perfect? No. One or two strut holes on the leopold parts aren’t as crisp as the original, but it’s good enough for me!
Looks pretty good on the wing.
I’m going with it. If others find they want a copy I can run some off, but for me, I’ll do one wing with the cast part and one with the original scratch build.
Next up is casting the remaining parts that I need. I’ve done a few of them, including the Leopold A7s for the front of the wing tube sections. Shown here with the original.
A few of my molding attempts have not gone as well. Gonna try remolding some parts this weekend from single- to two-part molds in the hopes it provides better results. We’ll see how it goes.
Til next time, keep on scratchin!
The bomb chute is mostly made up of Mörser Karl parts, with some Hanomag, Leopold, and Sd.Ah.52 thrown in for fun! I cut all my needed parts out and got them ready for modification and assembly.
I chose to start with the lower section. I cut up the Karl parts to make up the left/right halves of that section, noting that (from the front) the left side section is a little wider than the right. Shown here, the dark gray section is the wider part.
To give some rigity to the parts when glued end-to-end, I went ahead and glued some thin strip material behind it for support. Did two supports in the back to work around the gap in the cut halves, as that’s a visible gap on the filming model. The front doesn’t have this gap, so I centered it more.
You can see that gap on the back here.
After gluing the two halves around the Leopold parts, I sanded the bottom sections that extended past it flush, and attached the Hanomag parts front and back. I also cut out the opening on the bottom. There’s also another Mörser Karl part that gets glued in on the bottom, but I forgot to snag a pic of that (update: added the pic of the bottom!).
Karl part on the bottom:
And on the bottom for mine as well:
On top there are two additional boxes from the Karl that get mounted on either side, along with what I think are axles from the Sd.Ah.52.
Lastly, cut off three parts off two F47s from the Karl that get glued back-to-back to make up the center support/chute section that connect back to the fuselage. I carefully aligned the markings on the sides of the chute to the references and sanded the top section to fit to the fuselage. Finally, glued that section in and with that the bomb drop/chute section is complete!
And with that, on to the outer wing details. I checked multiple references and came up with discrepancies between Moskas parts reference and actual pics of the filming model, so of course went with the latter. Most of this was attaching .040” half-rounds to the outer wings, and .010” thick stock cut into various shapes where applicable. Finally, gun barrels from the Rodney were added along the tops of the wings, which is the only place those appear to be.
You get the idea! LOL
Now, onto molding fun! On one of my previous posts I made up a wing connector and said I didn’t ever want to do that again. So making a cast of the part seemed like the next logical solution.
I won’t bore everyone with the details of how to make a mold (YouTube is great for that), but suffice to say after 1-2 tries, I was able to make a very good copy of the wing connector.
Is it perfect? No. One or two strut holes on the leopold parts aren’t as crisp as the original, but it’s good enough for me!
Looks pretty good on the wing.
I’m going with it. If others find they want a copy I can run some off, but for me, I’ll do one wing with the cast part and one with the original scratch build.
Next up is casting the remaining parts that I need. I’ve done a few of them, including the Leopold A7s for the front of the wing tube sections. Shown here with the original.
A few of my molding attempts have not gone as well. Gonna try remolding some parts this weekend from single- to two-part molds in the hopes it provides better results. We’ll see how it goes.
Til next time, keep on scratchin!
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Great job on the scribing! You got me! I never noticed that lip for the window frame and missed it.
thibkaji
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I think you might be right about the rounded parts at the front of the wing there, given that end profile.
I’m not quite sure what you mean by “square” and use 37/38. Which parts are you referring for that? From the Junyo but not #40? Can you clarify a bit here?
There is an odd curve there on the wing behind that part, but to me that looks like a hole from drilling through from the back side for the mounting poles. I don’t think that relates to the parts used.
thibkaji
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I posted this over on Facebook, as well, but trying to confirm if the small round caps that go onto the Mörser Karl parts on the wing connectors is part B3 from the Mörser Karl. The shape isn’t exactly right I think, but it’s the closest part I’ve been able to find so far.
Wing connector casting with parts circled in red (stole this image from Bret’s build):
Wing connection, again parts in question circled in red (not the Hanomag parts):
B3 from the Mörser Karl:
Trimmed up and test fit into place:
My major reservation here is the shape of the protrusion, which looks rounded over on both the castings I’ve seen (see above) and the reference photos. I can make this work by rounding over the top, but maybe there’s a different part used here? Feels odd to me that ILM would heavily modify 8 of these just to cap that off — more likely there’s another part that all ready to go.
Anyone have any other ideas?
Wing connector casting with parts circled in red (stole this image from Bret’s build):
Wing connection, again parts in question circled in red (not the Hanomag parts):
B3 from the Mörser Karl:
Trimmed up and test fit into place:
My major reservation here is the shape of the protrusion, which looks rounded over on both the castings I’ve seen (see above) and the reference photos. I can make this work by rounding over the top, but maybe there’s a different part used here? Feels odd to me that ILM would heavily modify 8 of these just to cap that off — more likely there’s another part that all ready to go.
Anyone have any other ideas?
These are the parts of TIE Fighter(MPC).
I don't know the part number because I was away from sprue.
No.37 and No.38 are both used.
You are right. Only parts of the hole is visible.
thibkaji
Active Member
Gotcha! Yes, pointing out the arrangement of the covers and how they aren’t the same part even though the wings are.
thibkaji
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Son-of-a….! I poured over those parts and didn’t see it, but now looking again it’s right there, C5! Can’t believe I missed that!You could always ask the guy who did the master of the piece you have pictured.
The parts in question come from the Tamiya 1/35 Hanomag.
Thanks for the intel, Jonathan! Much appreciated!
chazzychaz
Sr Member
These are spectacuar posts.
thibkaji
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Small update — made a lot of progress on the interior of the wings the last two weeks. Still not done, but close.
Shot of both wing interiors:
Each wing on its own:
It’s really coming together with the wings kitted out. So much detail here, can’t wait to paint them!
Closer view in on the kit parts. Those Hanomag caps that swgeek ID’d for me the other week really help finish it off. Everything that’s white and not the wing connector is a casting I made.
View of the other wing from another angle (this wing connector is a casting I made):
I also made progress on the wing exterior cap pieces from the Vader TIE:
And finally, placed in position on the wings. They still need to have the holes drilled out for the pin connectors, but I’ll probably do that toward the end of the build.
Last thing I managed to make decent progress on is casting the Saturn V components for the rear of the fuselages. Sorry I don’t have pics of the process of cutting them off the original kit parts and sanding down to size, I got in a zone and just got it done. Honestly, hard to tell which is the casting and which is original:
Dry-fitting on the back:
All-in-all it’s really coming along! Til next update!
Shot of both wing interiors:
Each wing on its own:
It’s really coming together with the wings kitted out. So much detail here, can’t wait to paint them!
Closer view in on the kit parts. Those Hanomag caps that swgeek ID’d for me the other week really help finish it off. Everything that’s white and not the wing connector is a casting I made.
View of the other wing from another angle (this wing connector is a casting I made):
I also made progress on the wing exterior cap pieces from the Vader TIE:
And finally, placed in position on the wings. They still need to have the holes drilled out for the pin connectors, but I’ll probably do that toward the end of the build.
Last thing I managed to make decent progress on is casting the Saturn V components for the rear of the fuselages. Sorry I don’t have pics of the process of cutting them off the original kit parts and sanding down to size, I got in a zone and just got it done. Honestly, hard to tell which is the casting and which is original:
Dry-fitting on the back:
All-in-all it’s really coming along! Til next update!
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thibkaji
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You ID’d the part for me, which is all I meant by it. I know that identification of the kit parts on so many of these studio scale builds is a group effort by many folks. I just appreciate you pointing it out to me when I completely missed it!
stevielewis
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Very nice work. It's coming along nicely. 
thibkaji
Active Member
Thanks! That’s a large part of the intention with this, so that anyone else who comes along and wants to build has some clear guidance and pictures of what’s needed.
thibkaji
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It’s been a minute since my last update but wanted to post some progress I’ve made on some of the center-block surrounds over the last week or so.
Firstly, easiest one to make without having an armature to use for dimensions is the top plate. It’s comprised of a few cut-off sections from the Leopold, with old tooling Shinano parts (#29) on top. This assembly sits atop the center block pretty much as is, and is an easy tackle.
Here are the two main parts used:
And now stacked atop each other:
Last bits needed are the Shinano parts, and you’ve got a complete top greeblie:
For the front panel, you need a lot of parts from different kits, including the Prince of Wales, the Rodney, SD.AH.52, Leopold, and Flak 36/37.
Started with two sheets of .030” styrene glued back to back to form the base plate I’ll mount everything to.
Next, I used Moska’s parts guide, which is dimensionally pretty close to actual size, to figure out the curves needed to fit between the fuselages. I also marked center lines and rough estimates of where the parts needed to go.
It isn’t clear from any of the references exactly where the Prince of Wales part is supposed to go on the front panel — is it attached to the panel itself, or does it attach to the armature block? I opted to attach to the panel, so I cut out a notch in the bottom of the base plate for the front and glued in the part:
I next attached to the Rodney part the components that connect directly to it and then mounted that to the base plate:
Next, attached the sloping side pieces flush to the base:
The last parts I attached are the two parts on top (circled here):
Looking at the references, it’s pretty clear to me that they are not flush the front surface of the Rodney part but instead protrude past it.
Here you can see a shadow underneath those parts as they stick out:
So, I did the same, making the back sides flush to the Rodney part and sticking out past it:
I think it looks pretty good overall. Will have to fine-tune it more once I get my new fuselage tubes mounted to the armature I just received from mjhenks, but for now, I’m thrilled with it.
Well, break times over. I’ll try and post another small update soon. After that, I imagine that things will lstart moving much more quickly on this build. Til next time!
Firstly, easiest one to make without having an armature to use for dimensions is the top plate. It’s comprised of a few cut-off sections from the Leopold, with old tooling Shinano parts (#29) on top. This assembly sits atop the center block pretty much as is, and is an easy tackle.
Here are the two main parts used:
And now stacked atop each other:
Last bits needed are the Shinano parts, and you’ve got a complete top greeblie:
For the front panel, you need a lot of parts from different kits, including the Prince of Wales, the Rodney, SD.AH.52, Leopold, and Flak 36/37.
Started with two sheets of .030” styrene glued back to back to form the base plate I’ll mount everything to.
Next, I used Moska’s parts guide, which is dimensionally pretty close to actual size, to figure out the curves needed to fit between the fuselages. I also marked center lines and rough estimates of where the parts needed to go.
It isn’t clear from any of the references exactly where the Prince of Wales part is supposed to go on the front panel — is it attached to the panel itself, or does it attach to the armature block? I opted to attach to the panel, so I cut out a notch in the bottom of the base plate for the front and glued in the part:
I next attached to the Rodney part the components that connect directly to it and then mounted that to the base plate:
Next, attached the sloping side pieces flush to the base:
The last parts I attached are the two parts on top (circled here):
Looking at the references, it’s pretty clear to me that they are not flush the front surface of the Rodney part but instead protrude past it.
Here you can see a shadow underneath those parts as they stick out:
So, I did the same, making the back sides flush to the Rodney part and sticking out past it:
I think it looks pretty good overall. Will have to fine-tune it more once I get my new fuselage tubes mounted to the armature I just received from mjhenks, but for now, I’m thrilled with it.
Well, break times over. I’ll try and post another small update soon. After that, I imagine that things will lstart moving much more quickly on this build. Til next time!
