Does anyone have the Vader reference CD?
- Thread starter Brent M
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Just a thanks to Brent for asking a simple question that had long been looked down upon. To Thomas for stepping up to the plate and to everyone else who will contribute one way or another. I'm hoping we get to see some "never before seen" shots of the greatest movie villain of all time and that this DVD does the Dark Lord some justice. 
As a professional librarian, and as a part of that the "copyright police" I think I should warn you guys that if ANY money is collected for this project and there is one image that wasn't taken by an rpf member who agress to share it, you guys are opening up yourselves to a world of trouble. You'd have to have written permission of everyone who took a picture that ends up on the disc. Screen caps, concept art, etc would all bring down the mighty hand of Lucas. Be careful. :confused
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
I know I can't contribute with any pictures, since all I have has been gathered from online sources, such as the RPF, but I was wondering: I'm currently in the process of making ANH / ESB / RotJ Vader Helmet Color Templates to show the suptle differences in the paint-schemes of the three helmets, would these, when finished be worthy of admition to this reference disc or do you simply plan to go with the old versions or none at all?
I have the first drawing - ANH - finished... just need a scanner and then I'll be able to make the changes to the drawing to make the ESB and RotJ versions. It will be one image pr helmet - showing the helmet with and without the dome, so, two drawings pr template, if you will. Could be four pr image, if there is interest in side-views without dome as well.
I'm going for as much accuracy as possible to the screen used props for each helmet, so don't expect a symmetrical and idealized computer drawing. :rolleyes
Any interest in having these on the disc?
To get a sense of what I'm doing, here is a shoddy webcam picture of the drawing... a scan will be much larger, sharper and better than this... this is just to show the progress and style of the Color Template Project.
I have the first drawing - ANH - finished... just need a scanner and then I'll be able to make the changes to the drawing to make the ESB and RotJ versions. It will be one image pr helmet - showing the helmet with and without the dome, so, two drawings pr template, if you will. Could be four pr image, if there is interest in side-views without dome as well.
I'm going for as much accuracy as possible to the screen used props for each helmet, so don't expect a symmetrical and idealized computer drawing. :rolleyes
Any interest in having these on the disc?
To get a sense of what I'm doing, here is a shoddy webcam picture of the drawing... a scan will be much larger, sharper and better than this... this is just to show the progress and style of the Color Template Project.
Darth Kahnt
Sr Member
Personally, I think it would be a great reference if it was accurate. I can't see any reason why it would not be included, but I'm not Thomas.
GeneralMayhem
Sr Member
I think it's a great idea.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
Well... I can do progress versions with the paint schemes and then put them here for review and suggestions for alterations, etc, before submitting the final versions to the project. How does that sound? Then the color schemes can be discussed and established here, together.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
vaderdarth
Master Member
Listing the cost of materials and shipping for a project like this is ludicrous. I wouldn't offer these disks, due to the time it takes to catalog and organize for less than $35 a pop. Other so called reference disks cost me much more than that. I've paid out the nose for good quality reference material in some cases and simply got ripped off in the process by some unnamed individuals. Any price less than $35 is a complete steal in my humble opinion. I've already seen the quality of some of Sithlord's reference photos and they are by far, some of the best I've seen. Personally, I don't care what the cost is for a good reference set. Put me down for a definite YES vote for one of these CD's. Sithlord, PM me or email me and I'll even chip in a few photos myself.
here is my email: vader_darth_@hotmail.com
Peace,
Dave
here is my email: vader_darth_@hotmail.com
Peace,
Dave
Ghost Host
Sr Member
Yea, I think it's best to not project someone else's cost for a project, and then post it, if not asked to do so.
Darth Kahnt
Sr Member
<div class='quotetop'>(Ghost Host @ Jul 16 2006, 08:18 PM) [snapback]1282081[/snapback]</div>
I'm with you there Steve.
I'm with you there Steve.
So the question is, if something is posted on a publically accessible website, can it be shared digitally in a nonprofit way? No doubt about it, I have been thinking about this. One can email a digital photo, or make a CD and mail it...either involves reproduction. It could not be sold nor used for promotion. Every time a website appears on a computer screen, the images on it are reproduced for public view. There's the Sandtrooper reference CD, Boba Fett reference CD, stormtrooper reference CD, etc......and they are publically advertised for sale even on a website...we are not even doing that. In this case, it's simply a sharing of images with no exchange of funds for the images themselves. If someone's personal photograph is used without permission, how will the person reproducing it know to whom it belongs if there is no copyright symbol and the person's name or a watermark? How many images are shown on RPF every day of people or items and the photographer is not known?.....any thoughts about this are appreciated.
<div class='quotetop'>(NoHumorMan @ Jul 16 2006, 11:34 AM) [snapback]1281814[/snapback]</div>
I am all for newer and better versions of whatever reference I can find. Incidentally, any submission for this project automatically surrenders the right to the images submitted appearing on the DVD itself. Beyond that, all rights remain with the artist or photographer. Thus, images cannot be submitted and then later on liability implied because the act of submission itself is a voluntary contribution with the specific granting of rights thereto. I reserve the right to evaluate content of the submission for use on the DVD.
<div class='quotetop'>(NoHumorMan @ Jul 16 2006, 11:34 AM) [snapback]1281814[/snapback]</div>
I am all for newer and better versions of whatever reference I can find. Incidentally, any submission for this project automatically surrenders the right to the images submitted appearing on the DVD itself. Beyond that, all rights remain with the artist or photographer. Thus, images cannot be submitted and then later on liability implied because the act of submission itself is a voluntary contribution with the specific granting of rights thereto. I reserve the right to evaluate content of the submission for use on the DVD.
<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Jul 17 2006, 12:17 AM) [snapback]1282231[/snapback]</div>
I am all for newer and better versions of whatever reference I can find. Incidentally, any submission for this project automatically surrenders the right to the images submitted appearing on the DVD itself. Beyond that, all rights remain with the artist or photographer. Thus, images cannot be submitted and then later on liability implied because the act of submission itself is a voluntary contribution with the specific granting of rights thereto. I reserve the right to evaluate content of the submission for use on the DVD.
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The only problem you'd face is if someone submits a picture that isn't their picture. You have no way of knowing if it's an original. Copyright is a sticky line that always seems like it's moving. Please understand I'm not trying to be a pain. I'm not planning on getting a cd so it's really none of my bees wax. I just like all you guys and don't want to see anybody get in trouble with the Flanneled One.
So the question is, if something is posted on a publically accessible website, can it be shared digitally in a nonprofit way?
Not without permission. Just because something is on a website doesn't mean you can claim fair use rights. There are very strict guidelines you have to prove for fiar use. I'm not sure this project would count as "educational"
No doubt about it, I have been thinking about this. One can email a digital photo, or make a CD and mail it...either involves reproduction. It could not be sold nor used for promotion. Every time a website appears on a computer screen, the images on it are reproduced for public view.
That's true but the intended use is for web viewing not for copying to a cd as part of another, different work. The trouble comes when you alter the means of presentation. It's the same reason you can't leagally turn a vhs tape into a dvd. You're changing the intended medium.
There's the Sandtrooper reference CD, Boba Fett reference CD, stormtrooper reference CD, etc......and they are publically advertised for sale even on a website...we are not even doing that. In this case, it's simply a sharing of images with no exchange of funds for the images themselves.
You just have to make sure you don't use anything from LFL. I thought I saw someone suggest prototype/concept artwork. If you post a McQuarrie sketch that would be a big no no.
If someone's personal photograph is used without permission, how will the person reproducing it know to whom it belongs if there is no copyright symbol and the person's name or a watermark? How many images are shown on RPF every day of people or items and the photographer is not known?.....any thoughts about this are appreciated.
There are technical ways that if heaven forbid it ever go to court you can use. Things like information written in the files. Although in the end it comes down to their word against yours.
<div class='quotetop'>(NoHumorMan @ Jul 16 2006, 11:34 AM) [snapback]1281814[/snapback]
I am all for newer and better versions of whatever reference I can find. Incidentally, any submission for this project automatically surrenders the right to the images submitted appearing on the DVD itself. Beyond that, all rights remain with the artist or photographer. Thus, images cannot be submitted and then later on liability implied because the act of submission itself is a voluntary contribution with the specific granting of rights thereto. I reserve the right to evaluate content of the submission for use on the DVD.
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The only problem you'd face is if someone submits a picture that isn't their picture. You have no way of knowing if it's an original. Copyright is a sticky line that always seems like it's moving. Please understand I'm not trying to be a pain. I'm not planning on getting a cd so it's really none of my bees wax. I just like all you guys and don't want to see anybody get in trouble with the Flanneled One.
Darth Kahnt
Sr Member
We are a bunch of fans agreeing to assemble a CD or DVD to use for our own reference. It has already been posted that there will be no profit made from this CD/DVD.
I think the legalities of this are being way to overdramatized. Do you really think GL will care of some LFL images are distributed freely among fans on a DVD? I would have to say he has much bigger things to worry about then that. I think that too much thought is being put into that aspect of this project. Let's just get those submissions going and get this idea into a reality.
I think the legalities of this are being way to overdramatized. Do you really think GL will care of some LFL images are distributed freely among fans on a DVD? I would have to say he has much bigger things to worry about then that. I think that too much thought is being put into that aspect of this project. Let's just get those submissions going and get this idea into a reality.
I appreciate the feedback and everything you say makes sense...there's no easy way around it... there's a lot of stuff out there that, even if it was taken by a professional photographer, he would likely surrender rights to the studio for the photos. I'll need to look into this further...
Brent M
Sr Member
jcoffman99,
I'm not trying to be dismissive, but I seriously doubt if LFL is worried about a little fan-made CD/DVD like this especially since SithLord clearly stated that it would not be sold or used for promotion. This is no different than all of the other reference discs that have been done in the past(the original Vader reference CD, Boba Fett reference CD, Sandtrooper reference CD, Stormtrooper reference CD, etc) so I don't see what the big sticking point is about this one. Besides, the website originaltrilogy.com has been operating for years with people openly trading and selling fan-made copies of the Original Trilogy on DVD and to my knowledge nobody there has ever been reprimanded for their actions. I think distributing copies of the actual films themselves is a much more serious offense in the eyes of LFL than a disc full of Darth Vader pictures. Again I'm not trying to be dismissive of your input, but I think you're blowing this way out of proportion.
I'm not trying to be dismissive, but I seriously doubt if LFL is worried about a little fan-made CD/DVD like this especially since SithLord clearly stated that it would not be sold or used for promotion. This is no different than all of the other reference discs that have been done in the past(the original Vader reference CD, Boba Fett reference CD, Sandtrooper reference CD, Stormtrooper reference CD, etc) so I don't see what the big sticking point is about this one. Besides, the website originaltrilogy.com has been operating for years with people openly trading and selling fan-made copies of the Original Trilogy on DVD and to my knowledge nobody there has ever been reprimanded for their actions. I think distributing copies of the actual films themselves is a much more serious offense in the eyes of LFL than a disc full of Darth Vader pictures. Again I'm not trying to be dismissive of your input, but I think you're blowing this way out of proportion.
<div class='quotetop'>(Brent M @ Jul 17 2006, 01:10 AM) [snapback]1282253[/snapback]</div>
I doubt they are either. I just got into this discussion back when people were talking about charging money/making donations and using screen caps from the films. Like I said I don't care either way. Just trying to have a good discussion and let the organizers know what "could" happen. I guess I was thinking in relation to the number of custom plaque makers that have been shut down lately. Big brother is watching...
Good discussion.
I doubt they are either. I just got into this discussion back when people were talking about charging money/making donations and using screen caps from the films. Like I said I don't care either way. Just trying to have a good discussion and let the organizers know what "could" happen. I guess I was thinking in relation to the number of custom plaque makers that have been shut down lately. Big brother is watching...
Good discussion.
vaderdarth
Master Member
And don't forget that not all propsters play above board. I know of a handful that "crush their competition by ratting them out to LFL when they are selling the same exact reproductions under the radar". There are always gonna be a few folks who get slammed for being too obvious in this hobby. It's really the former, mentioned above that ruin the hobby for me personally. Instead of seeing other folks with similar projects as fellow enthusiasts...........some folks believe that they have some "right" to make when others do not.......and then crap on the hobby as a whole because of their misguided belief.
By the same token, if we all contribute to this project, and we donate to another for his or her time to organize and assemble it for us........I can't see a real LFL concern in something of this magnitude. Alot of these images are plastered across the internet anyway. You don't see LFL killing other "reference" websites. I should think this would be more or less the same thing in their eyes. For crying out loud, if they haven't attacked certain people for their blatant sales websites by now, this won't warrant a second glance.
Dave
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I doubt they are either. I just got into this discussion back when people were talking about charging money/making donations and using screen caps from the films. Like I said I don't care either way. Just trying to have a good discussion and let the organizers know what "could" happen. I guess I was thinking in relation to the number of custom plaque makers that have been shut down lately. Big brother is watching...
Good discussion.
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By the same token, if we all contribute to this project, and we donate to another for his or her time to organize and assemble it for us........I can't see a real LFL concern in something of this magnitude. Alot of these images are plastered across the internet anyway. You don't see LFL killing other "reference" websites. I should think this would be more or less the same thing in their eyes. For crying out loud, if they haven't attacked certain people for their blatant sales websites by now, this won't warrant a second glance.
Dave
<div class='quotetop'>(jcoffman99 @ Jul 17 2006, 05:56 AM) [snapback]1282331[/snapback]</div>
I doubt they are either. I just got into this discussion back when people were talking about charging money/making donations and using screen caps from the films. Like I said I don't care either way. Just trying to have a good discussion and let the organizers know what "could" happen. I guess I was thinking in relation to the number of custom plaque makers that have been shut down lately. Big brother is watching...
Good discussion.
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