Tombstone Val Kilmer / Doc Holliday Costume
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JohnHolliday
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Oh, there are MANY things that are not correct about this shirt, but since I have never been able to find the fabric for Clint's shirt and I found this one in a thrift store while away on a business trip, I can't complain too much........................Very nice that shirt...I know that on Clint's shirt there's no top triangle stitching on the front pocket, but that's just me nit-picking
Cameron1138
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I'm not sure if I'm fully happy with it but here's my first pass (that turned out at least decent) at the pattern for Doc's bluish silver floral vest. I HATE Adobe Illustrator so my original plan of sketching the flowers on paper and turning those into vectors fell through, but I think I was able to approximate most of the shapes by modifying and pasting together bits of free stock vectors I was able to find. The blue vines were the trickiest for me to replicate, it's so hard to see exactly what that shape is supposed to be and I had a hard time finding close enough free stock vectors to modify.
And here's an example of how it'd look tiled and zoomed out (keep in mind it'll be very small and lower resolution when printed, so minor mistakes shouldn't be visible):
Compared to the reference:
Thoughts/feedback? I can still make changes to it, but larger changes may take a while.
Also, while I was studying the pattern I noticed it appears to be cut with the fabric going opposite directions for each side of the vest. It's easiest to tell with the red flower drawn in side profile, which is facing diagonally downward on the more visible side of the vest with the buttonholes but we can see it's facing diagonally upwards on the other side with the buttons. (That, or else the orientation of the pattern switches every other column, in which case I'll need to do some more work on arranging the items on the pattern.)
Edit: threw together a quick mockup to show what the every-other-column reversed version would look like, I like this way better regardless of whether it's more accurate or not (which we have no way of knowing anyway unless better pics of the vest surface sometime):
And here's an example of how it'd look tiled and zoomed out (keep in mind it'll be very small and lower resolution when printed, so minor mistakes shouldn't be visible):
Compared to the reference:
Thoughts/feedback? I can still make changes to it, but larger changes may take a while.
Also, while I was studying the pattern I noticed it appears to be cut with the fabric going opposite directions for each side of the vest. It's easiest to tell with the red flower drawn in side profile, which is facing diagonally downward on the more visible side of the vest with the buttonholes but we can see it's facing diagonally upwards on the other side with the buttons. (That, or else the orientation of the pattern switches every other column, in which case I'll need to do some more work on arranging the items on the pattern.)
Edit: threw together a quick mockup to show what the every-other-column reversed version would look like, I like this way better regardless of whether it's more accurate or not (which we have no way of knowing anyway unless better pics of the vest surface sometime):
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JohnHolliday
Sr Member
Holy ****! Brother, I would say you put this one in the third deck out in left field! I am still amazed how you guys can do this kind of stuff, where I struggle just trying to send a damn email.....................
VERY GOOD CATCH on realizing that each side of the vest is running in opposite directions. In all my YEARS at looking at that photo I never even realized it before. This is why it pays to have more than one set of eyes looking at things as someone always sees what other people miss. If we lived closer to one another I would throw you a Hero's parade on this entire accomplishment
Cameron1138
Sr Member
Glad you like it! I'm amazed I was able to do it too lol, I started and gave up several times but the Etsy seller I contacted about making it never responded so I decided to keep at it. If you think it's usable as-is and you'd like to get it printed I can send you the file.Holy ****! Brother, I would say you put this one in the third deck out in left field! I am still amazed how you guys can do this kind of stuff, where I struggle just trying to send a damn email.....................
JohnHolliday
Sr Member
ABSOLUTELY Brother! I think I would be pretty hard pressed to find anything closer than this.
Cameron1138
Sr Member
The pattern for the red vest was much easier to make! I think it looks about good enough as-is.
I'm giving the gold vest front and the silver diamond pattern for the back of the red vest (and possibly the grey floral vest) a try too, but those are both more complicated so I'm not sure if I'll be able to make those or not.
I'm giving the gold vest front and the silver diamond pattern for the back of the red vest (and possibly the grey floral vest) a try too, but those are both more complicated so I'm not sure if I'll be able to make those or not.
JohnHolliday
Sr Member
This is looking AWESOME!!!!
The craziness with the red vest was weave.
For the longest time, I couldn't understand why some people had singular white dots without the surrounding diamond pattern in red but others had clearly defined diamonds around the white center shape.
Turns out that the diamond is not a color but rather a directional weave that catches the light.
So, if your high res inspiration picture was with a flash camera photo (front facing with light source) there were no diamonds. But if you got the auction picture in the standard multi light booth, the diamonds stand out clearly at specific angles and completely disappear where fully perpendicular to the camera lens (90 degrees from lens to cloth face).
The best possible recreation is what you have done with a slightly darker red.
Cameron1138
Sr Member
Yeah, I can see that iridescent effect looking closer at the prop photo. It's too bad that can't be recreated with printing.
JohnHolliday
Sr Member
What Cameron1138 stated above is exactly right. Unfortunately, I do not have access to weave to make this fabric, so everything has to be printed. Sometimes we can only do what we can actually do and try to get things as close as we can. If I'm not mistaken, this original fabric was very old and brought over from Italy (I think this was the place) to be made into the wardrobe for the movie. I have turned the world upside down looking for it, and I have never found it. I have found some things that KIND OF resembled it, but in my book it was just too far off the mark for me to use it. And this my friends is why I have to print this fabric.
If printing IS an option, then clear would do the trick. We used to do this for covering printed stickers instead of using a second vinyl layer. We had a clear that would print over the top to protect the colors from cleaning agents. A light coat, even a lined (like the weave) in clear as a top coat would look exceptionally similar.
Not saying that is easy but it is possible. The downside is that if it is too thick it creates a hard surface.
When we did this on shirts there was a slight wetting look but only from certain angles.
On some fabrics it is darker from every angle so that wouldn't work here.
Not saying that is easy but it is possible. The downside is that if it is too thick it creates a hard surface.
When we did this on shirts there was a slight wetting look but only from certain angles.
On some fabrics it is darker from every angle so that wouldn't work here.
JohnHolliday
Sr Member
I think it's just best to print it the way Cameron1138 has it as we don't want anything hard on our fabric. However, with all that being said I am checking in with a company to see if we can get ALL of Doc' vest custom weaved. Not saying this is going to happen, but I am checking to see if they could do it for us.
Cameron1138
Sr Member
Nice, I didn't want to tell you and get your hopes up before I got an answer but I also just messaged an Etsy seller who apparently makes custom woven jacquard fabrics about whether they can make the red fabric.
If we are able to find someone to weave this instead of print it, perhaps we could buy that gold diamond fabric I found and send in a sample of that and have them reproduce it in silver rather than worry about remaking the pattern digitally ourselves? For the silver floral fabric I have a hunch that might actually be printed though, the small size of the pattern repeat and the kind of flat look it has makes me think it's more likely to be printed than woven. Either could be possible though.
JohnHolliday
Sr Member
Let me see what I hear from my source, and if I can't make it happen on my end then we will definitely be talking to your people. As for the gray floral pattern, I think this could be done as all one has to do is turn the fabric upside down when making one panel of the vest, if I am seeing this right????
honestly i think it alternates about every 4th row but could be crosseyed by now staring at it
Cameron1138
Sr Member
That's what I initially thought but I think it basically reverses every repeat of the pattern. I made this updated version of the design that already incorporates that so just send this file instead of the earlier one I posted:
that is what i see but again, i am a bit dazzled now
Cameron1138
Sr Member
And the pattern for the back/lining of the red vest (I think it's used for the silver floral vest too), again not perfectly accurate but I definitely think it's close enough. This one was really intimidating at first but I was able to figure out a fairly simple way to do it. Might have to adjust the contrast a bit when printing, but you can see in the closeup the contrast is fairly low (it'd be really nice if we could get this one woven too since it's also supposed to have the two-toned iridescent effect) so it's hard to say, I don't have enough fabric printing experience to be able to instinctively tell yet.
Repeating tile:
Zoomed out to show repitition:
I also did a modified alternate version with the diamonds just a little bit smaller, which I think might be more accurate but I'm not sure. Thoughts?
Repeating tile:
Zoomed out to show repitition:
I also did a modified alternate version with the diamonds just a little bit smaller, which I think might be more accurate but I'm not sure. Thoughts?
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