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Spider-Man: No Way Home
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sbaxter
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sbaxter
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Were there any other Avengers who even maintain a secret identity? Ant Man? Wasp?
I get that they're setting Spider-Man up to be more self-reliant, but I still want him involved with the Avengers as well. I know it's part of the character to have Peter Parker feel isolated, but if there's any group to whom he can reveal his identity, it would be the Avengers. And if he does do that, will those characters who previously knew his identity suddenly remember what they previously knew, or will it be like hearing it for the first time?
What of MJ and Ned? Do they have any idea why they were at the Statue of Liberty? Do they even know they WERE there?
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sbaxter
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I loved the movie and wish I could go see it again at least once before I inevitably pick up the 4K disc -- probably in early March, according to the estimates I've seen in several places over the last few days. You can already pre-order it on Amazon.
A few things I really enjoyed:
• Matt Murdoch's appearance. Really good to see Charlie Cox show up, and even as I was wondering if they would do so, they managed to have him do something that clearly confirmed that he was definitely also Daredevil, doing so with exceptional economy. I would have presumed he was the same Daredevil we already knew from the Netflix series even if they hadn't done that, but it was nice to see confirmation just the same. Also liked in that moment that Peter's Spidey sense also had him in position to catch the brick himself, if Murdoch hadn't been between him and the window.
• The fact that there wasn't a drawn-out "Court Trial of Peter Parker" subplot, given that I was afraid there might be one and wasn't really looking forward to that.
• From previews, everyone seemed to think that Octavius was able to take some of the Stark Tech nanobots from the Iron Spider suit and use them to make himself an even more formidable foe. The first part was right, but I loved the way the movie turned the second presumption on its ear.
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A few things I really enjoyed:
• Matt Murdoch's appearance. Really good to see Charlie Cox show up, and even as I was wondering if they would do so, they managed to have him do something that clearly confirmed that he was definitely also Daredevil, doing so with exceptional economy. I would have presumed he was the same Daredevil we already knew from the Netflix series even if they hadn't done that, but it was nice to see confirmation just the same. Also liked in that moment that Peter's Spidey sense also had him in position to catch the brick himself, if Murdoch hadn't been between him and the window.
• The fact that there wasn't a drawn-out "Court Trial of Peter Parker" subplot, given that I was afraid there might be one and wasn't really looking forward to that.
• From previews, everyone seemed to think that Octavius was able to take some of the Stark Tech nanobots from the Iron Spider suit and use them to make himself an even more formidable foe. The first part was right, but I loved the way the movie turned the second presumption on its ear.
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Before we left the theater I told my girlfriend I bet they get blamed for destroying the statue lol
JediMichael
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I just read that someone asked, what if in the beginning, Peter had Dr. Strange make everyone forget Mysterio.
Although that would have made the movie like 5 minutes. But then we could have had an awesome 2 hours of Matt Murdock fighting for Peter in court.
Right?
Anyone?
No?
Although that would have made the movie like 5 minutes. But then we could have had an awesome 2 hours of Matt Murdock fighting for Peter in court.
Right?
Anyone?
No?
JediMichael
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So now for the future, they kinda need to explain a good reason for Dr. Strange to NOT use this spell again to make things work out easily for the good guys.
Bad guy shows up, Dr. Strange makes bag guy forget why hes bad or what he wants to do.
This movie already had him do the spell 2 times (beginning and end, and he also said he had done it before.....)
Bad guy shows up, Dr. Strange makes bag guy forget why hes bad or what he wants to do.
This movie already had him do the spell 2 times (beginning and end, and he also said he had done it before.....)
sbaxter
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Looks to me like the post-credits scene/trailer shows exactly that.
And really, neither time Strange used a version of the spell in NWH resulted in what I would describe as making "things work out easily."
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Agreed, this was part of the reason I hated the "Amazing" Garfield films. He did go a long way to redeeming the terrible version of his Spidey in No Way Home, so that's a positive.
What I haven't seen anyone say is that Dr. Strange is just as much to blame for the convoluted spell. Yes, Peter kept adding things, but that's only because Strange started casting it before discussing the parameters with him beforehand. He just jumped in. Oh, we're doing this now?
I mentioned this awhile back that for someone like strange he really has changed since infinity war and end game.. has gotten very irresponsible..
Found it hard to believe at first but then just rolled with it … like also getting stuck in all the webs and hanging over the Grand Canyon for 12 hours.. idk.. I just pretend stuff like that didn’t happen lol
Just scooby do this sh1t… totally out of character for me
JediMichael
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Although, the first time Peter did mess him up. But at the end, from memory, the spell seemed to work just fine and did what it was suppose to. That might not be easy on Peter himself....but in theory, being a movie aside and all, if he was to just cast it uninterrupted on a bad guy, it could make it an easy win. But that doesn't make for a very good movie.
So will Marvel just ignore this or find a way to explain it now?
I would prefer an explanation.
I haven't thought much about the grand canyon thing, but character wise Dr Strange seems very similar to the way he was early on in his training and a good portion of the Dr Strange movie. Mischievous I guess, but I can see where it could be considered character regression.
CadetTK2386
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Well he did get snapped away for 5 years and came back to find that Wong had taken up the Mantle of Sorcerer Supreme in his absence, and NWH makes it clear that Wong is still Sorcerer Supreme, leaving Dr. Strange just a Sorcerer, I guess, and free of the title, obligations, and weight of responsibility, of being the Protector of Earth/Our Dimension from Magical Threats, perhaps he is allowing himself to regress or relax a bit and go back to his old ways.
sbaxter
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The one thing in the movie that I didn't really buy -- but I understand why it is there nonetheless -- is when we see right at the end that Peter Parker has a GED prep book. Having taken the GED myself back in the late '80s (I wound up short by a half credit my senior year and didn't want to fool with summer school for that), I went in with no prep at all and blew the test out of the water -- even scored respectably in the math portion, which was by far my worst subject. Peter Parker is much more brilliant than I am, and my immediate thought in that scene was "He doesn't need that book!" But after I thought about it, I realized it was there to make us aware that he had been an honor student who should have been able to get into MIT, but now all of his academic record is gone and this is the best he can do for the moment. It's yet another reminder of what he has given up.
On another note, people keep referencing the line where Strange takes him to task a bit because he didn't first appeal his case to the MIT admissions board. It's a fair point in and of itself, but that was only one of the effects of having his identity exposed that had hurt not only himself but his friends, so it isn't as if successfully arguing that point would have made everything hunky-dory. Many of us would have tried that, but none of us number a Sorcerer Supreme among our friends. He's not just trying to use magic to fix his mistakes -- none of this would have happened had Mysterio not been such a selfish jerk toward a kid who wanted to help and tried to do so in good faith.
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On another note, people keep referencing the line where Strange takes him to task a bit because he didn't first appeal his case to the MIT admissions board. It's a fair point in and of itself, but that was only one of the effects of having his identity exposed that had hurt not only himself but his friends, so it isn't as if successfully arguing that point would have made everything hunky-dory. Many of us would have tried that, but none of us number a Sorcerer Supreme among our friends. He's not just trying to use magic to fix his mistakes -- none of this would have happened had Mysterio not been such a selfish jerk toward a kid who wanted to help and tried to do so in good faith.
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Metaluna mutant
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That what i was thinking during the movie but then I remembered it only drew in people who knew Peters identity from alternate realities.
Lol if Beck actually had been from an Alternate reality as he claimed he’d have come back.
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