Spider-Man: No Way Home
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Riceball
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But do you really need to see everything that can be quickly explained with a few lines of dialogue? Did we need to see Quint from Jaws, floating in the water watching his shipmates get taken by sharks after the Indianapolis was sunk? Did we need to see a pre-Darth Vader Anakin skywalker as a Jedi and an accomplished pilot?
While movies are a visual medium, it's not one with unlimited time to show everything. Sometimes, either for run time of pacing reasons, a bit of dialogue works better than showing things. And I thought that the writers of NWH worked in the relevant details of the other two Spideys and their connections to their villains quite well. They threw in just enough dialogue, where relevant, for the audience to get the necessary context.
squirk
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I just saw it again, and am wondering why Peter would give up the Integrated Suit.
Even if it wasn’t quite as feature-rich as the Iron Spider suit, and even without a link to Stark servers, you’d think it’d still be a cut above just red-and-blue spandex?
I get that they wanted to do a soft reboot to get Holland closer to “classic” Peter Parker, but am I missing an in-film explanation as to why Integrated was abandoned?
I know we can hypothesize that “it’s the suit he was wearing when May died, and he couldn’t keep wearing it,” for example, or “he took inspiration from the other Peters who did just fine without Stark tech,” but usually these MCU movies do a decent job of dropping in a short bit of throwaway dialogue, or something happening in the background, to explain stuff like this.
I just feel like I missed something.
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I was confused about this too until I realize Strange used a good amount of the nano suit to make the gauntlet (I think he may have taken all of it to transmute it?) and some of it was on Ock, so it didn't have enough to cover him while going after Electro, and after Doc gives it back, if there was any left besides that to fully cover him, it was buried in Happy's apartment.
He does need a way to power the nano part of the suit, I'm guessing he doesn't have that enclosure anymore?
The Brahma Bull
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I think the films are not comparable. In AHN, you didn't have to see Anikin become Darth Vader because it was Luke's story. But in Spider-Man, there were two other characters who had an important story to explain their actions. And especially when Garfield saves MJ and thus experiences his own redemption, it's just completely emotionless through a few lines of dialogue.
squirk
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I thought that, too, on the first viewing. But watching it again, there was nothing (that I saw, at least) that gave that indication. No sparks, fizzes, malfunctions, etc. It looked more or less fine when he said goodbye to the two other Peters? If it was really cashed, I would have expected them to flag that.
That makes sense. I guess the "charger" was confiscated at Happy's condo (or what was left of it).
But that leads me to another question - I get why Peter didn't try to reveal himself to MJ and Ned, at least, especially right then and there, as they were enjoying their victory of getting into MIT.
But couldn't he have gone to Happy with the Integrated Suit, even unpowered, and explain what happened? Happy would surely hear "Spider-Man" out if he showed up.
Peter could divulge information that only the real Spider-Man, who fought with Tony, could know; the suit could clearly be identified as being Stark Tech; and it's not like Happy doesn't know that magical and otherworldly forces exist that are capable of wiping memories. Even if Happy couldn't remember anything, he could still be convinced that this is the kid that Tony took under his wing and should continue to be helped out.
And Strange, too. If Peter showed up with the suit, and mentioned the Runes of Kauf-Kaul and the Machina de Kadavus - things no kid could have learned about on his own - Strange would be a good ally to have.
cboath
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I saw an article with Pascal 2-3 weeks ago saying they were already working on the next trilogy.
I was assuming that he doesn't want to involve Happy in anything involving "borrowing" Stark tech, since he probably is still on watch for all that missing Stark tech mentioned at the beginning of the movie.
But on top of that, it really is an idea that was underlined at the end of 2002's Spider-Man.
"No matter what I do, no matter how hard I try, the ones I love will always be the ones who pay."
While I don't think he loves Happy—or maybe he does after all they've been through, he at the very least seems to care a lot about him— it's similar to the reason he doesn't want to tell Ned and MJ, he thinks anyone who knows/gets involved with him will be in danger.
squirk
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But this is where Strange’s spell gets unclear.
Even if Happy forgot everything about Peter Parker, does he still remember how Tony felt about Spider-Man and how Tony “sponsored” him with Stark tech?
Does Happy still know that Mysterio, not Spider-Man, hijacked all those Stark holo-drone thingys?
I know I am overthinking this, BTW.
I think everything spiderman related stays… everything with peter parker is forgetten
Spiderman is probably still a avenger in the eyes of the team today.. they would have to hunt down spiderman man, not peter parker to contact him for help
squirk
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Right. That’s where I was going.
Happy and Strange would still be more than willing and able to help out Spider-Man, even if they don’t know who he is.
NakedMoleRat
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The next movie will be entitled Spider-Man, coming home! Of course now it won’t because I’ve posted it in a public forum, and they won’t want to pay me for it! However I am fairly certain, based upon unfailing evidence presented to me from my own logical mind that the next movie will see that partially undone, and those who need to remember Peter Parker wIll. They’re not gonna have Ned and MJ in three movies continuing to bump into him and not knowing who he is. .
NakedMoleRat
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Otherwise it would be really funny to get a scene where he goes to the avengers compound to get some more tech, and they ask him, how cone we don’t know who you really are Spider-Man?
and he will answer and say for the same reason that you don’t know who Captain America, Iron Man, the hulk, the Winter soldier, the falcon, black panther, Captain Marvel, Ant-man, The black widow, Hawkeye, Doctor Strange, or any of the others are!
and he will answer and say for the same reason that you don’t know who Captain America, Iron Man, the hulk, the Winter soldier, the falcon, black panther, Captain Marvel, Ant-man, The black widow, Hawkeye, Doctor Strange, or any of the others are!
JediMichael
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Saw it with my brother and friends. We all liked it.
I think at this point, typing a spoiler is unavoidable.....
...and so, I realized that all the fan theories and ideas were pretty much all completely correct.
I know a lot of people thought there was a lot of fan service, but I felt it actually added to the plot pretty nicely, much better than Ghostbusters:AL did, and much MUCH better than Star Wars 7 tried to do.
I can only imagine what they had to go through to get all the actors together and that the writers were probably on the edge of their seat waiting to know before they wrote to much out.
Afterwards, my brother is like, I guess I should have watched the Andrew Garfield movies.
I think at this point, typing a spoiler is unavoidable.....
...and so, I realized that all the fan theories and ideas were pretty much all completely correct.
I know a lot of people thought there was a lot of fan service, but I felt it actually added to the plot pretty nicely, much better than Ghostbusters:AL did, and much MUCH better than Star Wars 7 tried to do.
I can only imagine what they had to go through to get all the actors together and that the writers were probably on the edge of their seat waiting to know before they wrote to much out.
Afterwards, my brother is like, I guess I should have watched the Andrew Garfield movies.
JediMichael
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And now that I think about it, the one weird part, is how at the beginning they all get questioned/arrested and then are out. So either they didn't actually get arrested, or bonded out, then they are talking to the blind guy, who I'm guessing is suppose to be Daredevil. (From the tv show? Is he an attorney?)
But after that scene, they are totally free like no legal trouble happened at all.
Maybe I missed something, or something.....but that whole part just seemed weird. My brother thought the same thing.
But, I haven't really watched any of the Marvel tv shows, other than Agents of Shield, and have missed few of these movies.
But after that scene, they are totally free like no legal trouble happened at all.
Maybe I missed something, or something.....but that whole part just seemed weird. My brother thought the same thing.
But, I haven't really watched any of the Marvel tv shows, other than Agents of Shield, and have missed few of these movies.
CadetTK2386
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Matt Murdock is Daredevil's Secret Identity, who is an Attorney in pretty much all incarnations of the characters, Comics, Cartoons, previous live action shows. This particular version of DareDevil/Matt Murdock is played by Charlie Cox, who previously played the role in the Netflix Daredevil series, where just like in all his other incarnations is a very good attorney.
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