Ryan Gosling 'K' - Blade Runner 2049!

[johncarbon1991]

It's looking fantastic, a SA replica coat for daily use.
Thank you sharing these great images and your opinion.

No, that's my point. Maybe something is getting lost in translation here. From having used this stuff personally--I would not recommend it. It's functional, sure, and I think it'd be fine for a costume or mannequin piece, but for daily wear I found the stuff kind of icky. Getting it to apply uniformly and dry properly was difficult. It was a laborious process applying it, and it smelled. I'm certainly not sure how you could apply it to large batches of fabric other than by hand. It also significantly darkened the fabric, to such a degree that you might end up having to change the color of the fabric you use for the color to come out right. I, personally, did not like it. Maybe your results will be different, but having used this material and owning the soul revolver coat, whatever soul revolver used is not this, and resulted in a nicer more comfortable weightier fabric than odicoat coated cotton.

 

[Jameel Ur]

I think it's alternative solution until get the laminated fabric.
It's not necessary to use odicoat or anything else, it's up to you if you like it so do that.
Definitely fabric comes out darker when apply wax or any chemicals.
Someone trying to get applying wax or odicoat in UK on our coat, let's see the result of his coat.

 

[jholko]

I think it's alternative solution until get the laminated fabric.
It's not necessary to use odicoat or anything else, it's up to you if you like it so do that.
Definitely fabric comes out darker when apply wax or any chemicals.
Someone trying to get applying wax or odicoat in UK on our coat, let's see the result of his coat.

I don't mean to state the obvious in a somewhat blunt fashion.. but why don't you consider purchasing a SR and then attempting to properly source the fabric they have used? It's clearly the most SA option. Owning the SR and the new Magnoli (waxed) there is just no comparison. It can't be that hard to find the same material as SR? I really think these other efforts are sort of a bit futile given we know the ideal material is already out there in the SR.... seems kind of redundant to try and 'make' something else work..... I dunno.. just my thoughts.

 

[Jameel Ur]

I really appreciate your thoughts jholko.
But, things are not as simple as we think.
We didn't stop finding out that material yet.
If this cloth had been available we would have bought it by now.
Our local mills asking 3 to 5 thousand yards fabric for process so we are unable to do that.
So stay in touch might be possible we can get that fabric in future.

Thanks,

 

[Mechanismo]

I've used this, albeit on a 1/6 scale officer K figure. It works. I've seen it used on your coat, Jameel Ur . Adam Miller on fb did it:

https://m.facebook.com/groups/187648998480248/permalink/337592066819273/

I'm attaching the photos here for anyone who isn't a group member. Odicoat is functional--however, finish-wise, in my experience, it's very similar to waxing. For everyday wear, I can testify that the finish comes out nowhere near as nice as the soul revolver finish, whatever it is they're using. In my experience, like waxing, it's tedious to apply, smelly and can require reapplying every so often. That said, that's my experience applying it by hand. Maybe if it was done in a factory uniformly to cloth before it was stitched it might be different, but personally speaking I wouldn't necessarily recommend it. Just my two cents.

Thanks for sharing this. Yes, I can see how this got mixed results. Did you apply using a paint brush when you applied it, incidentally? The advantage of using wax is that you can use a sponge and really daub it on because, using a hairdryer immediately afterwards, you can actually smooth it out, wipe off any excess wax and achieve that 'factory finish' sheen. That would be out of the question for something like this product. Wax also makes the coat really mold around you as you wear it. But yes, agreed, sourcing laminated cotton fabric with the desired color is obviously the way to go.

 

[Mechanismo]

Oh, it's totally new for me.
Our coat collar doesn't fall like this, even we didn't use any fusing.
This is almost 3-4 years older coat sample images.
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So, just touching on this collar rigidness quickly, this is why I think some fusing or buckram would work wonders.
It's certainly key to have the accurate larger collar dimensions (and positioning) to get that SA look, and in many cases, as illustrated here, the collar's stiffness isn't really much of an issue:

But then, as seen here, the collar could, ideally, be more robust/rigid to avoid that level of creasing.

 

[Jameel Ur]

Hey,
You can get alteration from your tailor and insert the hard fusing or buckram inside fur.
Or if you have sewing machine and you know how to sewing so I can send you a movie clip about fixing the the fur floppiness.
As far as I feel, your coat fur looks lightweight and movie coat fur looks heavy, but not sure.

 

[Jameel Ur]

Hey guys,
I'm sorry this irrelative but I'm searching Luv faux leather grey jacket.
Is there any thread about LUV jacket?

 

[joberg]

I know that there's been a lot of discussion regarding the coat finishes/details, especially concerning the collar and the "waxing".
Don't forget that every movie costume is transformed (wear and tear) with many types of tricks by the costume designer and his/her team.
The "used look"; that is: the way the hero coat "falls" on the actor body is all about the techniques those designers have honed along the years and most of them have secret techniques used to achieve that final hero look. I'm sure you're familiar with the use of tea, coffee, sandpaper, shoe-polish, alcohol, wax, paint, etc...
I agree that many of you don't want the "new from the factory coat". I understand perfectly What the majority wants is the screen-used coat seen in the movie.
Question: let's imagine, for a minute, that K has worn that coat, everyday for 10 years.

Where are the areas that would be "worn" all the time? Sleeves (elbows in particular) with some color change when they rub the side of the coat (so the sides have to look worn also, or have a "shine" (color change also), creasing at the elbow level, worn edges of the sleeves.

The closing of the coat: perspiration and the acid/grease of your finger will mark and dilute the color in those areas. So button hole/magnets placements will show that wear and tear.

The back of the coat: (the seat especially). You sit on various surfaces, you crease the coat (sleeves, mid-section). Sometimes the coat is on a hanger, sometimes on the back of a chair...sometimes thrown on some other surface.

Collar: same thing: hair grease/perspiration, handling of the collar/buckle, with the hands...etc

And, finally: the environment! Rain, pollution, smoke...the cherry on the "transformation layered cake" has to be considered also!
I really appreciate the work/effort that many known members of this particular thread have done for months researching the amount of pics/details of that particular coat. But I think, that in the end, the wearer will make the coat his own by wearing it, everyday in any type of environment.
Eager to see the next updates and let's see the "before" and "after" pictures of one coat after 10 years of wear

 

[johncarbon1991]

I know that there's been a lot of discussion regarding the coat finishes/details, especially concerning the collar and the "waxing".
Don't forget that every movie costume is transformed (wear and tear) with many types of tricks by the costume designer and his/her team.
The "used look"; that is: the way the hero coat "falls" on the actor body is all about the techniques those designers have honed along the years and most of them have secret techniques used to achieve that final hero look. I'm sure you're familiar with the use of tea, coffee, sandpaper, shoe-polish, alcohol, wax, paint, etc...
I agree that many of you don't want the "new from the factory coat". I understand perfectly What the majority wants is the screen-used coat seen in the movie.
Question: let's imagine, for a minute, that K has worn that coat, everyday for 10 years.

Where are the areas that would be "worn" all the time? Sleeves (elbows in particular) with some color change when they rub the side of the coat (so the sides have to look worn also, or have a "shine" (color change also), creasing at the elbow level, worn edges of the sleeves.

The closing of the coat: perspiration and the acid/grease of your finger will mark and dilute the color in those areas. So button hole/magnets placements will show that wear and tear.

The back of the coat: (the seat especially). You sit on various surfaces, you crease the coat (sleeves, mid-section). Sometimes the coat is on a hanger, sometimes on the back of a chair...sometimes thrown on some other surface.

Collar: same thing: hair grease/perspiration, handling of the collar/buckle, with the hands...etc

And, finally: the environment! Rain, pollution, smoke...the cherry on the "transformation layered cake" has to be considered also!
I really appreciate the work/effort that many known members of this particular thread have done for months researching the amount of pics/details of that particular coat. But I think, that in the end, the wearer will make the coat his own by wearing it, everyday in any type of environment.
Eager to see the next updates and let's see the "before" and "after" pictures of one coat after 10 years of wear

Will be responding to the thread in a decade or so to test this theory
In all seriousness, I am wondering about weathering the fur. The soul revolver coat has a pre-distressed finish to it in terms of color (the way it's painted it almost looks like weathering powder sealed into the fabric in places, could be my imagination). My tailor is replacing the fur using the uniqlo coat, but I am concerned the fur is going to look too clean relative to the rest of the fabric. I spoke to my tailor about shoe polish, but he brought up that it wasn't necessarily the most hygienic, and is probably something that I wouldn't want rubbing against my face if I'm wearing the collar up for prolonged periods of time. I'm thinking of trying black coffee and a paintbrush to see if that gets a similar finish. I'm not necessarily hoping for film grade weathering, just something that isn't quite so clean as the stock fur. Will test it on some scrap fabric first, but joberg mentioning coffee got me thinking of it. Has anyone else personally tried something similar?

 

[Mechanismo]

Will be responding to the thread in a decade or so to test this theory
In all seriousness, I am wondering about weathering the fur. The soul revolver coat has a pre-distressed finish to it in terms of color (the way it's painted it almost looks like weathering powder sealed into the fabric in places, could be my imagination). My tailor is replacing the fur using the uniqlo coat, but I am concerned the fur is going to look too clean relative to the rest of the fabric. I spoke to my tailor about shoe polish, but he brought up that it wasn't necessarily the most hygienic, and is probably something that I wouldn't want rubbing against my face if I'm wearing the collar up for prolonged periods of time. I'm thinking of trying black coffee and a paintbrush to see if that gets a similar finish. I'm not necessarily hoping for film grade weathering, just something that isn't quite so clean as the stock fur. Will test it on some scrap fabric first, but joberg mentioning coffee got me thinking of it. Has anyone else personally tried something similar?

For what it's worth, I discussed my experience with the shoe polish option here.

 

[cirrusx1]

Will be responding to the thread in a decade or so to test this theory
In all seriousness, I am wondering about weathering the fur. The soul revolver coat has a pre-distressed finish to it in terms of color (the way it's painted it almost looks like weathering powder sealed into the fabric in places, could be my imagination). My tailor is replacing the fur using the uniqlo coat, but I am concerned the fur is going to look too clean relative to the rest of the fabric. I spoke to my tailor about shoe polish, but he brought up that it wasn't necessarily the most hygienic, and is probably something that I wouldn't want rubbing against my face if I'm wearing the collar up for prolonged periods of time. I'm thinking of trying black coffee and a paintbrush to see if that gets a similar finish. I'm not necessarily hoping for film grade weathering, just something that isn't quite so clean as the stock fur. Will test it on some scrap fabric first, but joberg mentioning coffee got me thinking of it. Has anyone else personally tried something similar?

Just use watered down acrylic paint to weather the fur. It’s what I used.

 

[johncarbon1991]

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johncarbon1991, pending Shahrooz 's feedback, if you have a good tailor lined up and have sourced the proper single sided sherpa shearling, I suggest by all means, go for it. That said, I decided to do some general side-by-side comparison shots, and this one shows just how thin the movie coat’s shearling really is.

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This other photo comparison also shows how proper SA ‘piping’ (or piping effect?) around the length of the collar, lapels and coat opening is really something coat providers should really make a priority. It really highlights the contours and looks solid . As pictured, this is sorely lacking on my WSL (and unfortunately, SR hasn’t really succeeded in this area either). This is something I’ve brought up with Zlurpo and hopefully will be incorporated into his coat going forward.

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Mechanismo , for the piping, it definitely runs around the lapels. Does it run around the collar edges as well? In some shots, at some angles it seems to me like it doesn't and it could just be the collar stitching...but in other shots like the prop coat on the mannequin display it seems like there's definitely piping there. My default inclination would be to add it all the way around the collar edge just to make it look uniform with the lapels when the collar is worn up, but wondering what your take is here.

 

[Mechanismo]

Im

Mechanismo , for the piping, it definitely runs around the lapels. Does it run around the collar edges as well? In some shots, at some angles it seems to me like it doesn't and it could just be the collar stitching...but in other shots like the prop coat on the mannequin display it seems like there's definitely piping there. My default inclination would be to add it all the way around the collar edge just to make it look uniform with the lapels when the collar is worn up, but wondering what your take is here.

Yes. It is pretty obvious that the edging around the collar should have that piping (or piping effect) that essentially mirrors/matches the lapel edges and, as seen here, the stitching around shoulder panels.

I specifically asked WSL to do this when I sent the specs for my custom collar. Although, as you can see, they ended up wrapping the collar's fabric around the piping, using one row of stitching to hold it in place as opposed to the the correct 'above-and-below' stitching seen on the prop coat above :

 

[johncarbon1991]

Yes. It is pretty obvious that the edging around the collar should have that piping (or piping effect) that essentially mirrors/matches the lapel edges and, as seen here, the stitching around shoulder panels.

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I specifically asked WSL to do this when I sent the specs for my custom collar. Although, as you can see, they ended up wrapping the collar's fabric around the piping, using one row of stitching to hold it in place as opposed to the the correct 'above-and-below' stitching seen on the prop coat above :

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Hoping I have an update from the tailor later today. We're going to try to add the piping. The downside is the stitching has to be made wider to accommodate it, so the stitch holes from the original seam will show along the collar and lapel edges. There's no good solve for it. The SR fabric can't be steamed out and I can't think of any way to patch it. The good news is at a glance or a slight distance the coat should have more of that screen appearance. I wasn't going to do it, but it's so distinctive on the shoulders, I figured might as well go the full way. We've come too far to go back now...

 

[mtortori65]

Does anyone think the pipping might be some malleable wire to form the collar shape for certain looks?

 

[Mechanismo]

Does anyone think the pipping might be some malleable wire to form the collar shape for certain looks?

That's an interesting question. My gut feeling is no... but having said that, there appears to be some evidence to say otherwise. I'll track down some pics later... Suffice to say, from a wardrobe/production perspective, having that option to 'mold' certain aspects to the coat's appearance would certainly be useful.

 

[johncarbon1991]

Does anyone think the pipping might be some malleable wire to form the collar shape for certain looks?

I'm obviously not our resident piping expert, but I was having a discussion about the 1/6 scale K figures the other day, and how their tailoring varies from the movie. The supermadtoys figure uses wire in the collar to fold it in place (largely because at that size it's too small to practically do a magnet enclosure). If there is wire there, I couldn't imagine it running along the whole collar. Maybe along the shorter collar edge if anything, but happy to hear other's takes.

 

[mtortori65]

Does anyone think the piping might be some malleable wire to form the collar shape for the certain look?

 

[mtortori65]

There is also something called "boning wire" that is used to form cloth, there are many different types.