Ryan Gosling 'K' - Blade Runner 2049!

Received the revised Magnoli today. It is a beautiful coat - the photos on their website really don't do it justice. I'll get some more pics up ASAP - but a few quick observations. The shoulders have the pads and structure in them. So they have updated here. They have also fixed the collar to be SA. It has that nice funnel shape to it. Magnets are in the right places and the collar sits up as it should. More to come as soon as I get a chance. Oh.. sizing wise its good, a fraction tight in the armpit area, but I put on a bit of weight since I ordered it. Once I drop it, should be perfect.

Oh.. and its 30 degrees in Australia.. going to be a while before I can wear this thing anywhere! Its so warm!

Very quick iPhone snaps of the padded shoulder, neck area. I'd say it has SA structure now - but I need to taker more shots to better show the shoulder construction.

I am keen to receive the SR coat to compare.
Coat looks great! Curious if with their new reference these were done in house, or sent out to contractors for the construction. Please folks correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that for a large portion of the sewing, it is done by tailors in SE Asia/Pakistan etc. Not sure if they have a working floor over there in NZ. Only mention it as I am sure having a lot of communication on refining things like this can be tough.
 
Hey guys so I've been thinking over doing a run of casts of my K holster and providing/p reproducing the soft parts. The only problem seems that the bail and a portion of the leather is riveted on so I wouldn't be a le to get a clean cast. Does anyone have a broken holster that they're willing to sell?
 
Coat looks great! Curious if with their new reference these were done in house, or sent out to contractors for the construction. Please folks correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that for a large portion of the sewing, it is done by tailors in SE Asia/Pakistan etc. Not sure if they have a working floor over there in NZ. Only mention it as I am sure having a lot of communication on refining things like this can be tough.
The coat shipped from India - so I am guessing that is where it was manufactured. That said, the quality is outstanding. I did liaise heavily with Indy from Magnoli here in PM to make sure it was their latest pattern with updates. Indy was great I'm following up and making sure.
 
Coat looks great! Curious if with their new reference these were done in house, or sent out to contractors for the construction. Please folks correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that for a large portion of the sewing, it is done by tailors in SE Asia/Pakistan etc. Not sure if they have a working floor over there in NZ. Only mention it as I am sure having a lot of communication on refining things like this can be tough.
Egon you are right about the level of frustration dealing with overseas tailor shops. Both Mechanismo and I had to go through that with WSL and let me tell you all..it ain't for the faint of heart. It is frustrating beyond imagination but if you stick with it, they get it done...eventually. not having a direct line of communication would be next to impossible. On related news - my SR is coming along nicely. Slowly but surely. The shoulder pads are in and it makes such a difference. Next up are the magnets and then the collar back in the right palace and voila. Will keep you all posted. Pics soon
 
I'm not sure how long it's been since I commented in this thread, but I have been watching it a bit.

My shop (BigEffectProps) has received requests for modifications of the collar based on some things shared here, and we've actually permanently changed the shape of it a bit as a result. If anyone wants to make a detailed guide on what things should be changed from our pictures, I've been talking with my production lead about taking your advice to make an update and get new photos of the improved version of the coat.

One thing to be aware of is the very limited options of the fur where the sewing team is, so although I know I've seen plenty of discussion on that point, there isn't going to be much about the type of fur we can change.
 
I think the color is good - it depends so much on what light you look at it under. It's quite dark in many lighting situations which I really like. I need to get some wear and tear on it though. Get it in the rain and get it worn in. The collar sits up really nicely - it has really good structure, so I don't think it's going to droop over time. Feels very solid in that area. Im actually surprised how solid it feels and how well it sits up. When I feel that area it feels like there is deliberate structure inside to help it sit up. There is more than just fabric and shearling holding it up I think.

The shearling is not SA - we know that. I had them heavily distress it, so it's a bit closer to accurate than 'clean'. I intend to distress it a lot more. The attached shows the collar flat. It's not too short, coming up just below the eyes / lower bridge of the nose - which I think is where it is supposed to be? But crucially it's got the funnel shape right.
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P.S something I don't like - it leaves a waxy feel on your hands after handling.. but that's kind of nature of the beast with waxed cotton.
Would you mind giving a measurement of how tall the collar is? I just ordered a Magnoli and want to make sure it will fit correctly.
 
I'm not sure how long it's been since I commented in this thread, but I have been watching it a bit.

My shop (BigEffectProps) has received requests for modifications of the collar based on some things shared here, and we've actually permanently changed the shape of it a bit as a result. If anyone wants to make a detailed guide on what things should be changed from our pictures, I've been talking with my production lead about taking your advice to make an update and get new photos of the improved version of the coat.

One thing to be aware of is the very limited options of the fur where the sewing team is, so although I know I've seen plenty of discussion on that point, there isn't going to be much about the type of fur we can change.
Good to hear from you Zlurpo and that's terrific news. Very much looking forward to seeing those updates.
 
I think the color is good - it depends so much on what light you look at it under. It's quite dark in many lighting situations which I really like. I need to get some wear and tear on it though. Get it in the rain and get it worn in. The collar sits up really nicely - it has really good structure, so I don't think it's going to droop over time. Feels very solid in that area. Im actually surprised how solid it feels and how well it sits up. When I feel that area it feels like there is deliberate structure inside to help it sit up. There is more than just fabric and shearling holding it up I think.

The shearling is not SA - we know that. I had them heavily distress it, so it's a bit closer to accurate than 'clean'. I intend to distress it a lot more. The attached shows the collar flat. It's not too short, coming up just below the eyes / lower bridge of the nose - which I think is where it is supposed to be? But crucially it's got the funnel shape right.
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P.S something I don't like - it leaves a waxy feel on your hands after handling.. but that's kind of nature of the beast with waxed cotton.

Thanks for posting those pics. Super useful. So, just visually, without any measurements I can see the collar shape is tapered/curved which is nice to see (and provides the correct funnel shape). The construction, as you also point out, also looks very solid. Regarding the waxing, don't worry about it too much. It'll settle into the fabric over time. The only time you'll really notice it if you're in a very warm room and it starts to 'sweat' a little. Still, it gives the coat a nice sheen and rugged look, IMO.

So, with all that said and seeing some nice improvements, Magnoli's collar is still not screen accurate in terms of size. The movie coat collar is a good bit larger (even bulkier, one could say). Here's a good example of just how big it is, width-wise (i.e. nearly as tall as the length of Ryan Gosling's face).

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Magnoli's collar appears to largely have the same uniform width running along its entire length (a bit like Zlurpo's old collar), but the film collar has a taper. Example: the collar is clearly wider in the area behind the neck than at the collar’s edge/end:

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Just as a visual comparison, assuming that all the coat's collar straps are the standard one-inch width, here’s a (more or less scale) side-by-side (left to right) of Magnoli/Custom/SR to better convey that difference in collar size.

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In any case, when you get a chance, if you could please measure the collar in the areas shown below, we’d have definitive numbers and have the measurements for three of the collars. Hopefully we'll be able to add Zlurpo's updated specs to the list soon too. Thanks again!

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Coat looks great! Curious if with their new reference these were done in house, or sent out to contractors for the construction. Please folks correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that for a large portion of the sewing, it is done by tailors in SE Asia/Pakistan etc. Not sure if they have a working floor over there in NZ. Only mention it as I am sure having a lot of communication on refining things like this can be tough.
Hi Egon. I had WSL make my custom collar about a year after I bought the original coat and it was, to say the very least, exasperating. As Shahrooz states, trying to establish a minimum line of communication was, at times, nearly impossible. I basically had to hound them with barrages of emails and even FB messenger just to hear back from them. Ultimately, however, they delivered and made the collar to the exact specs. And, crucially, overall, their stitching, material, construction and durability is outstanding especially given their quality-price ratio.
 
Thanks for posting those pics. Super useful. So, just visually, without any measurements I can see the collar shape is tapered/curved which is nice to see (and provides the correct funnel shape). The construction, as you also point out, also looks very solid. Regarding the waxing, don't worry about it too much. It'll settle into the fabric over time. The only time you'll really notice it if you're in a very warm room and it starts to 'sweat' a little. Still, it gives the coat a nice sheen and rugged look, IMO.

So, with all that said and seeing some nice improvements, Magnoli's collar is still not screen accurate in terms of size. The movie coat collar is a good bit larger (even bulkier, one could say). Here's a good example of just how big it is, width-wise (i.e. nearly as tall as the length of Ryan Gosling's face).

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Magnoli's collar appears to largely have the same uniform height running along its entire length (a bit like Zlurpo's old collar), but it the film collar has a taper. Example: the collar is clearly wider in the area behind the neck than at the collar’s edge/end:

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Just as a visual comparison, assuming that all the coat's collar straps are the standard one-inch width, here’s a (more or less scale) side-by-side (left to right) of Magnoli/Custom/SR to better convey that difference in collar size.

Id imagine that the height and length of the collar is going to be dependent on the measurements used for the rest of the jacket (larger sizes requiring longer collars) and the heigh compared to Goslings face is kinda a nebulous measurement because we don't have his neck/face to measure against.

In regard to the right section of the collar and how it sits (the "crumple" as you called it) is also a spot where I am sure the costumers on set would be continuously adjusted.

I believe the "piping" you are referring to in the double rows of stitches is likely due to the materials used and not actually cording/piping in there.
 
Id imagine that the height and length of the collar is going to be dependent on the measurements used for the rest of the jacket (larger sizes requiring longer collars) and the heigh compared to Goslings face is kinda a nebulous measurement because we don't have his neck/face to measure against.

In regard to the right section of the collar and how it sits (the "crumple" as you called it) is also a spot where I am sure the costumers on set would be continuously adjusted.

I believe the "piping" you are referring to in the double rows of stitches is likely due to the materials used and not actually cording/piping in there.
The collar dimensions would depend on the coat size, absolutely, but they would largely be to scale with the movie coat specs regardless. This is simply not the case with Magnoli's collar. That picture of Ryan Gosling is just to show that the collar is big in relation to the wearer's head/face in terms of scale.

My coat collar doesn't crumple, incidentally... this might be due to the shearling, larger dimensions and added weight by two coats of waxing.

And yes, I meant to say 'piping'. Thanks for the correction. To my eyes, that would-be piping around the the edges of the lapels matches the the piping around the shoulder panels, as seen here.

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The collar dimensions would depend on the coat size, absolutely, but they would largely be to scale with the movie coat specs regardless. This is simply not the case with Magnoli's collar. That picture of Ryan Gosling is just to show that the collar is big in relation to the wearer's head/face.

My coat collar doesn't crumple, incidentally... this might be due to the shearling, larger dimensions and added weight by two coats of waxing.

And yes, I meant to say 'piping'. Thanks for the correction. To my eyes, that would-be piping around the the edges of the lapels matches the the piping around the shoulder panels, as seen here.

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What I mean is that the effect you are referring to is not caused by piping or cording. I am almost certain that is the result of the amount of material used in those spots (which has a large effect on how areas like the shoulders and collar function).

What happens when you see these areas is the machines tension on the thread puts the stitch in the center of the stack of material. When you do multiple rows like this, it compresses the line of stitching, pushing material up and gives the raised effect between the rows. Think of tying a string around something soft, like elastics on a sleeping bag - the tension makes the outer edge plump up.

You could imitate this with cording, but it would most likely look *very* rounded.

The crumple on the right side of the collar, or lack there of is caused by a few factors : weight of the canvas or other shell material(s) used, the weight of the faux shearling, and potentially any material between the layers of canvas (interfacing, canvassing used to structure suits, insulating materials, etc) and whatever the process was to "laminate" the material. Without tearing open a screen used coat, it's guesswork as there would be a difference between even using cotton vs poly liner materials.

That guesswork is largely the same for the rest of the dimensions of the collar as well. I agree it definitely is not a consistent width ( like how a collar stand on a dress shirt tapers towards the closure) but there is more to the gestalt of the collar than it's initial shape, of which I don't think anyone has totally nailed, but it's an area that has to function as designed as much as it need to be shaped "correctly."

Soft parts are a lot different than hard edged parts in terms of design and getting them to fit each individual the way they look in a film.

I've had a lot of experience with this in particular with the coats made for Han Solo in ESB. The collar on that jacket is really surprisingly long and sits quite low. However, scaling that to a larger fellow with say a 48 inch chest, makes the collar look way, way too long, and sit too low, throwing the fit off significantly. It also looks off when the collar sits higher like a Nehru jacket. It looks good, but not necessarily "correct."

I guess this is all to say that there may be two goals here:

1) Replicating the garment worn on screen
2) A functional coat that replicates the look of the jacket worn on screen.

Where 1 would be replicating the same sizing as Ryan Gosling wore and 2 be making a jacket with those features that fits the wearer.
 
The collar dimensions would depend on the coat size, absolutely, but they would largely be to scale with the movie coat specs regardless. This is simply not the case with Magnoli's collar. That picture of Ryan Gosling is just to show that the collar is big in relation to the wearer's head/face in terms of scale.

My coat collar doesn't crumple, incidentally... this might be due to the shearling, larger dimensions and added weight by two coats of waxing.

And yes, I meant to say 'piping'. Thanks for the correction. To my eyes, that would-be piping around the the edges of the lapels matches the the piping around the shoulder panels, as seen here.

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I measured the collar on the revised Magnoli this morning and its 6.5 inches in height. Ill take a photo later today with a tape as well when I get time.

The magnoli collar definitely doesn't crumple. As I said, its quite a rigid structure. It sits up really well. Long term I cant say of course.. but it feels rigid enough to go the distance.

The overall funnel shape of the collar as you can see is pretty huge on the revised Magnoli. I'd say its pretty close with the image of Ryan Gosling. There really isn't much in it to my eye.. if I tuck the coat tight against me like it is in Ryans shot.. and pull the collar forward like he has it (hard against the back of the head like in his shot), its pretty much the same. Or certainly close enough for me. We have to remember, there is someone on set positioning the collar and coat in every shot. We can easily emulate this ourselves by doing the same positioning.
 

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Here is another image with the revised Magnoli collar pulled into the 'Ryan' position. As you can see - its pretty much identical in terms of size. The photo angle is not quite the same.. but its so close in terms of size I don't think it matters.
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Here is another image with the revised Magnoli collar pulled into the 'Ryan' position. As you can see - its pretty much identical in terms of size. The photo angle is not quite the same.. but its so close in terms of size I don't think it matters.
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It does not appear to be identical in terms of size... I think it's misleading to judge the collar's dimensions solely by where the wearer’s eyes/nose/ears peak out above the rim: there’s also a good bit of length below the wearer's chin-line as shown here:

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Stylistically, when the collar is popped up is this important? Not really. I’d agree with that... It looks good. However, when it comes to achieving screen accuracy regarding further areas of the collar, especially when folded back, a large(er) collar size, taper, and its overall ‘bulk’ is paramount. I’ll explain.

As often seen in the movie, the collar, especially in the area behind the left shoulder is sometimes 'bulky'/'bulgy' and often even displays a sort of ‘double ridge.' This is due to, among other construction factors, its characteristic, large size.

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So essentially, a smaller, un-tapered collar (like Magnoli's and Zlurpo's collars) will simply not achieve this effect when it's folded back.

In any event, I guess we can go back and forth about this until we're blue in the face... And it's okay to agree to disagree. I'm just trying to outline things strictly from a SA point view as succinctly as possible. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the SR when it arrives.
 
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Difficult to judge the hight/angle of the collar by looking at Ryan's head/face. How long is it? Don't know:unsure: It was customized for the actor.
Impossible to have the same effect with someone else. I have a very oblong face and forehead. That collar should be higher for me since it would only cover my mouth and stop at my nose...mileage might differ for other wearer and it seems that the collar should be re-done for each owner.
 
Soooooo, not in the market for a long coat again and if I was I personally would not be too torn up on the collar or shearling/faux shearling but dang if I am not looking at all the faux shearling coats wherever I go now...….. thanks folks lol

jholko that Magnoli is looking great!- I forgot how good of a shade green it was.

I think Uridium documented how he did a custom collar when getting his Magnoli a couple years back. And it turned out great.
If the placement is right now, it sounds like you could measure yourself and get the height needed individually since the general shape seems to have been worked out .
 
Difficult to judge the hight/angle of the collar by looking at Ryan's head/face. How long is it? Don't know:unsure: It was customized for the actor.
Impossible to have the same effect with someone else. I have a very oblong face and forehead. That collar should be higher for me since it would only cover my mouth and stop at my nose...mileage might differ for other wearer and it seems that the collar should be re-done for each owner.
Agreed. Ideally any SA collar could/should be done to scale with every wearer's individual physical features.

The point I'm trying to make is that the movie collar has that added length in the lower portion (which, granted, becomes more important when folded back to achieve that characteristic 'bulk' that we see in the movie). This feature could also be done to scale for each wearer.

Soul Revolver, for example, gets this scale right in my view...at least with their model.

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It does not appear to be identical in terms of size... I think it's misleading to judge the collar's dimensions solely by where the wearer’s eyes/nose/ears peak out above the rim: there’s also a good bit of length below the wearer's chin-line as shown here:

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Stylistically, when the collar is popped up is this important? Not really. I’d agree with that... It looks good. However, when it comes to achieving screen accuracy regarding further areas of the collar, especially when folded back, a large(er) collar size, taper, and its overall ‘bulk’ is paramount. I’ll explain.

As often seen in the movie, the collar, especially in the area behind the left shoulder is sometimes 'bulky'/'bulgy' and often even displays a sort of ‘double ridge.' This is due to, among other construction factors, its characteristic, large size.

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So essentially, a smaller, un-tapered collar (like Magnoli's and Zlurpo's collars) will simply not achieve this effect when it's folded back.

In any event, I guess we can go back and forth about this until we're blue in the face... And it's okay to agree to disagree. I'm just trying to outline things strictly from a SA point view as succinctly as possible. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the SR when it arrives.
Like this you mean. I think we have to admit... the new revised Magnoli with the updates is pretty dam close....
The shearling is still not right - needs something with more drape.. but it's livable. If I find something better I'll replace it in due course.

I am in two minds about having ordered the SR at this point. It will be nice to have for comparison purposes.. but I really think the revised Magnoli is pretty close to spot on now in the collar and shoulders. At least, it's the closest off the shelf to SA I have seen.

I am keen to see the SR fabric and how that compares to the Magnoli. Given the SR needs the sheerling replaced and the collar neck area fixed I think the Magnoli is currently the better option.

Edit - one more image, showing how big the funnel like shape is on the new Magnoli. So much depends on the lens you use to photograph it, the angle of attack of the photo and how you position the collar.
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