Ryan Gosling 'K' - Blade Runner 2049!

[Mechanismo]

the more I re-watch certain scenes in the movie, the more I believe the issue is not only about that.
It feels like...it's stuff for replicants
- there's a need for a coat that withstand cold in winter, since we can see fog, darkness, rain and even snow, but when I look at Deckard's outfit even in the rain and snow, so K have always his coat, and others like Deckard and Mariette (or other hookers), do they look like almost spring clothes without ever showing something more substantial to wear for the cold? Deckard is kidnapped, but he has nothing around him other than that shirt, he resists the snowy final situation with nonchalance, and Mariette with that fur coat makes you cold to see her
- the coat, I look at it better in various scenes including the details of the sleeves and others, like at the bar with Mariette etc, and I don't see a great thickness in the end of this coat, it gives me the impression that it is the one that resists the elements
- at this point I would imagine the thickness of Jameel's padding as adequate, and I must say that although a little thicker but also with the others I found and the same one I put in, there isn't that much difference, while instead there is there is a huge difference in the quality and consistency of the actual lining, the one I put on, after what I did, is absolutely intact and at this point I would say it could withstand an atomic war, regardeless of the quilting
- the quilting is relevant to keep you warm, but also bulkier aspect if too much thickness, and the fabric is crucial, movie coat fabric is probably tougher than bep/els in the end, even if for me it was enough to keep me warm. Now that I changed it with chemicals, it seems sturdier, but I've not finished yet, don't really know how it behaves with my last step, it should give a bit more structure again and same time a bit softness more, but how it become stiff now, I find more similar to duck then the original laminated twill I had before (which was even too smooth)

Lots of great points, CoutLau. But I can't agree that the quilting is "adequate".

So, this (ELS quilting)...

Compared to this (replacement quilting I'm using).

Night and day.

So, instead of this...

It should be more this (WSL lining), [especially given WSL is over 150 dollars cheaper to boot]

After all, IMO we are talking about a distinctly structured, upholstered coat. It shouldn't be be baggy, flimsy or thin.

 

[CountLau]

Lots of great points, CoutLau. But I disagree that is "adequate" because it is clearly isn't.

So, this (ELS quilting)...

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Compared to this (replacement quilting I'm using).

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Night and day.

So, instead of this...

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It should be this (WSL lining)

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Afterall, we are talking about a distinctly structured, upholstered coat.
It shouldn't be baggy and and it shouldn't be flimsy.

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Ok but you remember I had not the same lining, yours is different (maybe worse than mine) it came with that pattern showing kinda fields on the lining, and my quilting was weak, but not that thin

 

[Jameel Ur]

Hey Mechanismo,

I used more better lining in your coat, called (cherry) 230t Polyester Twill Lining Fabric.
But unfortunately, you didn't like it although my goal was creating high quality coat.
Accept my apologies.

We are using Taffeta – polyester material lining in BEP coats since beginning.

 

[CountLau]

Hey Mechanismo,

I used more better lining in your coat, called (cherry) 230t Polyester Twill Lining Fabric.
But unfortunately, you didn't like it although my goal was creating high quality coat.
Accept my apologies.

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We are using Taffeta – polyester material lining in BEP coats since beginning.

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I had the other one ("taffeta").
I've found some that are practically the same here in my area, and I must admit that the prices they offered me aren't low, but it didn't hold up for very long, in the end I had to replace it because it was clearly worn out regardless of the thickness of the artificial wool quilting which I thought was fine.
There was a time that I read that you wrote here that it could have been washed in the washing machine, at the beginning I didn't carry out any radical tests on the coat, and I washed it in the washing machine, I fear that in addition to the use it made the lining deteriorate quickly, I also contradicted myself since I had recommended not using the washing machine at that time, so I think you shouldn't say it as a washinmg option for this garment, even if possibly, you had to improve the lining.
Surely the one that I found and put on my coat now and that has withstood things you people wouldn't believe, it must be something separate that I found with luck and it seems truly indestructible.
Between the two here in pics mine seems more SA than the striped one you put on him, maybe I'm wrong.

I'm trying to make this coat something as close as possible to the effect of the film, we'll see what comes of it.
It's really too bad that you weren't able to find that laminated duck.
The collar actually should be a little longer than the upper edge to have it wider and more funnel shaped, I imagine that for this reason it goes without saying that you would have to review the models also in the proportions of the lapels and it wouldn't be a walk in the park, but you will have understood that I still believe in you and I am grateful for the work received, I still consider it a masterpiece in researching the details of the design of the film, which to date I don't think others have been able to match.

Knowing full well that I would end up being a mad scientist, I also had asked for a separate piece of fabric which would have been crucial for coloring tests etc, but then you had forgotten it.
Probably what Mechanismo also means is that, since €360 isn't a small price anyway, more attention is expected on certain things for such a price even though it isn't as high as Magnoli or SR, then for goodness sake I don't want to speak for him, he'll be the one to answer u

 

[Mechanismo]

Hey Mechanismo,

I used more better lining in your coat, called (cherry) 230t Polyester Twill Lining Fabric.
But unfortunately, you didn't like it although my goal was creating high quality coat.
Accept my apologies.

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We are using Taffeta – polyester material lining in BEP coats since beginning.

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Thanks for pointing out the type of lining you're using Jameel Ur. The bottom line is that the quilting on your coats should be far more robust than it is. As I pointed out above, the fact that one of your closest competitors charges 150€ less and has better-quality lining is something to take note of and course-correct going forward. This speaks volumes:

The movie coat's lining below is clearly more quilted (and smooth) like WSL's pictured above:

Hence, my tailor is replacing the entire lining with this thicker, more quilted alternative:

Providing more robust lining will also help solve the problem I see with your coat sleeves; filling them out more, giving them more structure, and solving that saggy-looking thinness to them. (WSL on the right).

In light of this, and given the 340€/$360 price tag, perhaps offering a lining choice for future customers would be a good idea.

 

[RickC137]

Yes, well-stated. When it comes to this coat, there are literally scammers everywhere. It is a sad state of affairs.

In that regard Soul Revolver has always done a phenomenal job of showcasing its product: eye-catching, professional photos of a model wearing the coat. Their website presentation as well. All of it, very classy. I think that's gone a very long way to put their coat at the top of the pile.

Unfortunately, they've done such a good job in this regard that they're resting on their laurels.

There was a time when I was corresponding with Kall/Lyrion (SR owner) on highlighting SA details/corrections with a view of making a 2.0 version of their coat. The last thing he told me is that he was not happy with the prototype and, from the looks of it, scrapped the plan altogether.

It's a real shame because, had he shared the prototype on the forum he would have involved the prop community and really made the ultimate coat. Instead, I think he figured "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and, in view of their steady sales and widespread admiration for the coat itself 'as is,' it's easy to see why he chose that route.

But it's a real missed opportunity. Hopefully he'll have a change of heart eventually.

yeah an updated SR coat.., sounds like perfection to me.., if he were more passionate about it, he would just do it anyway., but SR.., I guess profits come first.., and I understand, its a business.. but it would have been so worth it.., I think now that's its been so long.., the film having come out in 2017.., maybe there isn't enough confidence that it will be worth doing, that they won't get enough more sales out of it

 

[RickC137]

Well, it's certainly double the price of WSL. SR is 190€ more expensive than a BEP/ELS (340€). But, as I've pointed out, leaving aside screen accurateness, in terms of quality alone, BEP/ELS should be a better coat for that price tag. There's no excuse for that cheap, paper-thin quilting/lining.

definitely can agree with that! I do feel like the BEP is a bit cheap., id be kinda pissed if I paid for price.. only bc, I wanted it to be my main winter coat.. since its quite a long coat, I thought it would be ideal.. and being on the Northeast end of the US.., it gets pretty cold here..
So between the thin lining, and the coat fitting me on the tight side.., it doesn't really get the job done, for keeping me warm.. I can't layer up as much with the fit, so its more fit for 'somewhat cold' weather.., not the harsher temps.. like 20-30F so that's a bummer.. they should have lined it a bit thicker imo.. I already use my dark red Fight Club leather jacket for those more mildly cold temps.., so this coat doesn't really fit in anywhere for me.. maybe after all the Barbour wax it will keep me a bit warmer

 

[CountLau]

yeah an updated SR coat.., sounds like perfection to me.., if he were more passionate about it, he would just do it anyway., but SR.., I guess profits come first.., and I understand, its a business.. but it would have been so worth it.., I think now that's its been so long.., the film having come out in 2017.., maybe there isn't enough confidence that it will be worth doing, that they won't get enough more sales out of it

especially the last part, you hit the nail on the head, I couldn't agree more about that, but in general, not just SR.
The question is that if we then return to the charge for this garment, it means that in theory the design and potential would still be there, but I am not an insider, and if they don't believe in it, then it is logical that then also people care less in the long run.

 

[RickC137]

Thanks for pointing the type of lining you're using Jameel Ur. The bottom line is that the quilting on your coats should be far more robust than it is. As I pointed out above, the fact that one of your closest competitors charges 150€ less and has better-quality lining is something to take note of and course-correct going forward. This speaks volumes:

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The movie coat's lining below is clearly more quilted (and smooth) like WSL's pictured above:

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Hence, my tailor is replacing the entire lining with this thicker, more quilted alternative:

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Providing more robust lining will also help solve the problem I see with your coat sleeves, filling them out more, giving them more structure and mitigate that baggy-looking thinness to them. (WSL on the right).

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In light of this, perhaps offering a lining choice for future customers would be a good idea.

woww.., that lining comparison says alot!

 

[joberg]

Yes, lining thickness is, indeed, important in terms on how the coat "stands" on the body. The idea of replacing it on your coat, Mechanismo, is a great improvement.

 

[RickC137]

This is my BEP lining,, it has the look of the WSL but not necessarily the thickness..
I just wish they were filled in with some duck feathers or something like that

 

[Mechanismo]

Yes, lining thickness is, indeed, important in terms on how the coat "stands" on the body. The idea of replacing it on your coat, Mechanismo, is a great improvement.

Thank you joberg . My tailor takes forever and a day to do anything, but I look forward to sharing pics soon.

 

[RickC137]

Whereas this is my Drive jacket and it has plenty of thickness.. a bit too much even but damn is it warm and comfortable.. ,, had they just used a quarter of the material that's in this, it would be amazing.. and this jacket was only $100 USD and reversible

 

[Mechanismo]

This is my BEP lining,, it has the look of the WSL but not necessarily the thickness..
I just wish they were filled in with some duck feathers or something like that

Interesting. That is not the same lining that was provided on my ELS/BEP. Yours looks better, but again, the quilting or thickness is key. In terms of the outer fabric of the lining itself, WSL also nails the movie coat's smooth, silky texture.

 

[Mechanismo]

Whereas this is my Drive jacket and it has plenty of thickness.. a bit too much even but damn is it warm and comfortable.. ,, had they just used a quarter of the material that's in this, it would be amazing.. and this jacket was only $100 USD and reversible

Ah well, there you go. Thanks for sharing.

 

[RickC137]

Ah well, there you go. Thanks for sharing.

Lol well.. idk, I figured it made for a good comparison.. the lining is fine in n of itself, just isn't thick enough

 

[RickC137]

Lol I know it isn't related but idk, I'm just saying the lining on mine is fine, just the thickness that is lacking..
My wax n dye came today though.. let the games begin!

 

[CountLau]

Lol I know it isn't related but idk, I'm just saying the lining on mine is fine, just the thickness that is lacking..
My wax n dye came today though.. let the games begin!

"rit"...sounds interesting, so that should be an alternative made for textile (also synthetic) to the method suggested by bep with alcohol inks.

I assume you could give the fur a hand wash with soap anyway, once you've worked it and dried it properly.
If you'll confirm everything and the result will satisfy you, I imagine you will post, but in any case it will be interesting to understand if it holds up to washing, because objectively the bep method, personally, withstood the third world war here, before giving up and returning to a greenish yellow (but still not the original yellow) after several hours in bleach together with the rest.
If so, it will be confirmed as an alternative, I promote these methods compared to the theory of shoe polish or not washing it to let it age on its own, they are certainly cleaner solutions, as definitive as other native colors of the coat, and pragmatic

 

[RickC137]

Yeah I'll definitely share with the thread how it all works out in the end..
I went with this because I did want something strong but also clean.. it was only a $7 USD purchase.. decent size bottle too..
Whereas the Barbour.., I was actually expecting the tin to be a bit bigger... maybe i should have gotten two after all lol

 

[CountLau]

Yeah I'll definitely share with the thread how it all works out in the end..
I went with this because I did want something strong but also clean.. it was only a $7 USD purchase.. decent size bottle too..
Whereas the Barbour.., I was actually expecting the tin to be a bit bigger... maybe i should have gotten two after all lol

Here I saw it on Amazon, and it's 19€