Ryan Gosling 'K' - Blade Runner 2049!

[CountLau]

Just as CountLau says, once you wax a cotton coat, that's it, it can never be machine washed again. Check out the video, it's comprensive.

I would anyway add my suggestion: never machine wash these coats, since the artificial wool of the quilting suffers too much. About me, now it's another story because I decided to try whatever it takes to reach my goal, and I'll be willing to charge myself of additional jobs even to be repeated when a step brings to new issues, but if someone of you would avoid such a risky journey, I suggest just hand wash, exactly the same I will do with mine when finished (for waxed coats, also avoiding to soak it completely, I would say)

 

[RickC137]

to know it for sure, must be there at the museum and also see it outside of the case possibly, touching it and with natural lite avoiding the glass reflex.
Imho, and for my personal taste, it could also be that shiny, but the look it has after all the battles (without being dirty, and not even too shiny) it's exactly the look I wanna have.

But also in the museum, to me, it seems to be two versions of the coat (one seems darker and the fur more of a mustard tone, the other seems lighter with fur in lite camel which could resemble very bright in some close-ups, if not the distressed areas).
In both, I cannot see so much of a shine (one seems new just made and glossier, darker), it's quite the same I pointed out in pics before, but obviosly has some, definitely not uncoated at all, so for rainproofing it as well add some satin effect, I'd consider waxing legit too. But very little, just the bit needed, in any case, in these months I went outside wearing mine (bep slub twill laminated) as it comes and also after some treatments still quite shiny, I must say that now is even more appreciated and with a less aggressive look, but the disaster I made with acrylic torn too much coating away, so I will restore it a bit anyway, for a bit shine more as well for rainproof properties more.

Blade Runner 2049 movie costumes on display...

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Blade Runner 2049 film costumes on display...

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My fav would be (in order to square the circle both for practicality, impact on people without being too showy, and a bit of personal taste) the lighter and less shiny/sober grey color of the first one in the glass, together with the less distressed fur of the darker one outside the glass, we'll see if I can make mine that way.

My first try I did this morning with pure liquitex medium (without mixing it with any paint, neither diluting it), has proven I'm right: it holds the treatments, darkening a bit, so I bought lite grey dye, not risking to have it too dark and letting room for eventually buying the other PU darker grey dye they have, doing the contrary wouldn't probably work anymore since it's a definitive paint for also synthetics but not too much covering (but putting a darker and then a lighter if failed, would be a harder point to go back from), so that I will keep my greenish/bluyish dark grey as a background; test looks nice, if you try with little water, he rejects it except putting it under the tap, so perfect, but I want a less darkening and more of a satin aspect without turning back too shiny, at this point I'm looking to border perfection, at least for what I have in my mind, we'll see in about a month how it will look here in pic, I'll be fair in highlighting any other fail or inconsistency with reality. Time will be needed, much work to do under many aspect (also lining, fur, drying time, washing tests etc).
It should take 10 days for me just to have new PU dye, new medium, and enough quantity, coming from England.

alot of it has to do with lighting.., but consider this.., the coat we end up with behind that glass.. its already been through alot.. or it may be replicated to represent the coat we end up seeing the most.. ( a K coat that's seen alot of action)
If we got good behind the scene shots of it when they first made it.., probably had alot more gloss going on with it.. im guessing..

idk, I like it either way.., still has the leather look even though its more matte.. i think just a bit of shine on the shoulder areas and sleeves looks great.. when I did my waxing.., I mainly focused on the shoulders.. then the sleeves.. and then the coat tails and back area..
, anyhow.., thanks for that link.., pretty cool.. makes me sad though hah.., cause when i see that, makes me feel like my coat still isn't 'cutting it' hah,, just ain't enough..

i wish when making that film they really documented everything about the coat.. like the costume designers.. would be cool if they did interviews about it.. damn.., you kno.., I would have just bought that damn SR one the first go around if it wasn't for that women that does their messaging smh.. , makes me so mad.. wouldn't answer simple questions.. like if you won't offer custom sizing for customers on a coat that costs 570.., you could atleast give all the information on the measurements for the stock sizings when requested smh... that kind of thing really pissed me off.. like lazy or just doesn't care.. she should be fired.. or maybe she is that overworked and they need for staff.. God knows they make enough money charging those prices! ughh smh

 

[CountLau]

alot of it has to do with lighting.., but consider this.., the coat we end up with behind that glass.. its already been through alot.. or it may be replicated to represent the coat we end up seeing the most.. ( a K coat that's seen alot of action)
If we got good behind the scene shots of it when they first made it.., probably had alot more gloss going on with it.. im guessing..

idk, I like it either way.., still has the leather look even though its more matte.. i think just a bit of shine on the shoulder areas and sleeves looks great.. when I did my waxing.., I mainly focused on the shoulders.. then the sleeves.. and then the coat tails and back area..
, anyhow.., thanks for that link.., pretty cool.. makes me sad though hah.., cause when i see that, makes me feel like my coat still isn't 'cutting it' hah,, just ain't enough..

i wish when making that film they really documented everything about the coat.. like the costume designers.. would be cool if they did interviews about it.. damn.., you kno.., I would have just bought that damn SR one the first go around if it wasn't for that women that does their messaging smh.. , makes me so mad.. wouldn't answer simple questions.. like if you won't offer custom sizing for customers on a coat that costs 570.., you could atleast give all the information on the measurements for the stock sizings when requested smh... that kind of thing really pissed me off.. like lazy or just doesn't care.. she should be fired.. or maybe she is that overworked and they need for staff.. God knows they make enough money charging those prices! ughh smh

Hope 4 u do not become obsessed like some of us

Firstly I was fine, then I started wanting more SA details, and now that I had some experience and feedback with my coat in real life, I keep trying to square the circle minding about SA and pragmatism, aiming also to have more of a matte,sober look

In ur shoes I would put aside SR, I understand you about what you said comparing your coat to museum version, but you've already one the best basic coat,if not the best, to be tweaked to the very top SA level. The problem is, it comes from experience, time, challenge yourself also spending other money or not, and must say to be lucky too (I bet you figured out I could have already destroyed my coat right now...), but SR has its own pros so it is your wallet ur money if you will buy it's your choice and legit of course.
I can just say, again, that they were one the first I asked for the coats, I could have bought it, but more than something bothered me too, as answering me the coat was "slightly waxed" and no way to remove letters on the back, except for me to discover a little after, incidentally on ebay, a guy who was selling his SR putting pics where clearly readable his SR coat is acrylic laminated cotton...so unbelievable, I don't even actually care about who of them is to blame, and neither won't make a trial to someone, but wtf they answered me they don't even know what they sell? No words

 

[RickC137]

Hope 4 u do not become obsessed like some of us

Firstly I was fine, then I started wanting more SA details, and now that I had some experience and feedback with my coat in real life, I keep trying to square the circle minding about SA and pragmatism, aiming also to have more of a matte,sober look

In ur shoes I would put aside SR, I understand you about what you said comparing your coat to museum version, but you've already one the best basic coat,if not the best, to be tweaked to the very top SA level. The problem is, it comes from experience, time, challenge yourself also spending other money or not, and must say to be lucky too (I bet you figured out I could have already destroyed my coat right now...), but SR has its own pros so it is your wallet ur money if you will buy it's your choice and legit of course.
I can just say, again, that they were one the first I asked for the coats, I could have bought it, but more than something bothered me too, as answering me the coat was "slightly waxed" and no way to remove letters on the back, except for me to discover a little after, incidentally on ebay, a guy who was selling his SR putting pics where clearly readable his SR coat is acrylic laminated cotton...so unbelievable, I don't even actually care about who of them is to blame, and neither won't make a trial to someone, but wtf they answered me they don't even know what they sell? No words

I feel like the lapels on the BEP don't stand out nearly as much.. the Magnolia one seems even worse that way..
Idk, maybe after my tweaks are made, I'll be okay with it..
So SR actually being laminated.., that kind of intrigues me.. bc then, I know it won't have a waxy smell getting in the way.. I did read that the Barbour wax has an OK smell though, so I should be good.. I'll be getting the Thornproof Dressing..

 

[CountLau]

I feel like the lapels on the BEP don't stand out nearly as much.. the Magnolia one seems even worse that way..
Idk, maybe after my tweaks are made, I'll be okay with it..
So SR actually being laminated.., that kind of intrigues me.. bc then, I know it won't have a waxy smell getting in the way.. I did read that the Barbour wax has an OK smell though, so I should be good.. I'll be getting the Thornproof Dressing..

yes laminate = plastic infused on cloth by the manufacturer, but I recently read articles about PU laminated cotton jacket which have been restored in same material when the external PU layer, inevitably with time and washing, deteriorates, as well as Barbour jacket (here at Barbour store, you can go and they offer waxing rejuvenation service), but handling to wash it and some properties about "laminated" and "waxed" fabric are different, as a link I put here one of my previous posts.

If one day you feel like taking a risk and want to do something like what I did, if you're not ready for anything even at the cost of throwing away your coat I don't recommend it, but if this last phase of mine is successful in the next month, I think that here I could consider it a half-turning point, even if I don't have all the credentials to be able to say, in case of success, that a medium put pure and in the right way is still the whole solution, because I'm just trying to reinforce a little what I chewed off, but it hasn't totally disappeared, the laminate base remains as such, so I don't think my procedure can possibly take any credit, and in fact in the proposal I made, I wrote "without obligation" because even if I was successful, on a completely non-laminated native duck fabric as I would then like to try, however I cannot take it for granted that it comes because it starts from a different base.

In any case, not talking about fabric made of pure waxed cotton thread, given that you only waxed it yourself over uncoated cotton, I don't think that, eventually, you would want to remove the wax one day, with due effort, but you would be able to do it.

Magnoli might come in a native waxed cotton, it's a very nice coat as it is and seems very high quality, but to me is definitely not SA as none of ours, also for design flaws.

If you look at the shape of the lapels when opened, I believe you're becoming more exigent, and I can tell I fixed mine by opening the coat, sewing some articial wool + buckram triangle shaped underneath the fur, and then they perfectly hold the opened position, but as said, here I think you start introducing yourself in another territory: the one of the radical tweaks...
So there, much commitment is needed, a fatal mistake and knowing something about tailoring or spending money to have a tailor doing it for you, is around the corner

 

[RickC137]

Well.. what if I just cut those few threads..? That seems to be the only side that doesn't stay open as well.. will that mess with the way the upper collar lays though..?
You did this I think you said.., so how is it afterward now..

 

[CountLau]

Well.. what if I just cut those few threads..? That seems to be the only side that doesn't stay open as well.. will that mess with the way the upper collar lays though..?
You did this I think you said.., so how is it afterward now..

here the "clearer" of the two museum versions.
There are the same 4 stiches (just zoom in and you will also see how the texture of the fabric is much less smooth and shiny, if you look at it more in detail), but as you may have understood, I didn't give a damn about being SA for that, because that opening is compromising for the health of the throat, at least for me here who rides around on a motorbike in winter with freezing temperatures, so yes, I removed them, but are you able to find a solution if you do the same? Because the coat doesn't properly work anymore without, won't close correctly and probably the magnets are not enough to withstand the opened position too, so something must be there to hold those two elements together.

I used a topstitching thread (thicker, stronger) sewing between the lower inner edge of the left collar and the upper outer edge of the left lapel, not visible, to be sure there are sealed and kept together (except the same last external part at the corners).

Welcome to the world of radical (and functional, imho) tweaks.

Unfortunately, I made the acrylic fail disaster in the same time I made the final step for this, so now it's impossible to show mine, being it now dismounted and without nor fur neither buckram, waiting to be painted and the new fur to be delivered to me hopefully before the end of the month

 

[Malibu139]

I feel like the lapels on the BEP don't stand out nearly as much.. the Magnolia one seems even worse that way..
Idk, maybe after my tweaks are made, I'll be okay with it..
So SR actually being laminated.., that kind of intrigues me.. bc then, I know it won't have a waxy smell getting in the way.. I did read that the Barbour wax has an OK smell though, so I should be good.. I'll be getting the Thornproof Dressing..

I have the SR blade runner hip length jacket. Same material as the trench. Here is the tag and a couple pics in different lighting. There is no smell and no residue since there is no wax. It’s a nice finish and has held up to regular wear last winter and this winter.

 

[RickC137]

here the "clearer" of the two museum versions.
There are the same 4 stiches (just zoom in and you will also see how the texture of the fabric is much less smooth and shiny, if you look at it more in detail), but as you may have understood, I didn't give a damn about being SA for that, because that opening is compromising for the health of the throat, at least for me here who rides around on a motorbike in winter with freezing temperatures, so yes, I removed them, but are you able to find a solution if you do the same? Because the coat doesn't properly work anymore without, won't close correctly and probably the magnets are not enough to withstand the opened position too, so something must be there to hold those two elements together.

I used a topstitching thread (thicker, stronger) sewing between the lower inner edge of the left collar and the upper outer edge of the left lapel, not visible, to be sure there are sealed and kept together (except the same last external part at the corners).

Welcome to the world of radical (and functional, imho) tweaks.

Unfortunately, I made the acrylic fail disaster in the same time I made the final step for this, so now it's impossible to show mine, being it now dismounted and without nor fur neither buckram, waiting to be painted and the new fur to be delivered to me hopefully before the end of the month

oh wow.. it doesn't look shiny at all in that particular museum photo..! strange

 

[RickC137]

I have the SR blade runner hip length jacket. Same material as the trench. Here is the tag and a couple pics in different lighting. There is no smell and no residue since there is no wax. It’s a nice finish and has held up to regular wear last winter and this winter.
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looks great! nice color.. gives me a good view of that twill pattern too.., thanks

 

[CountLau]

I have the SR blade runner hip length jacket. Same material as the trench. Here is the tag and a couple pics in different lighting. There is no smell and no residue since there is no wax. It’s a nice finish and has held up to regular wear last winter and this winter.
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what the label says it's exactly what I pointed out, I kept for the record a pic from that guy who sold his one on ebay about 6 months ago, where same label is shown.

What I see here in first pic, it seems too glossy, other pics in the sun show how wondeful is the color, it seems still a little too bluyish, however I guess is impossible to understand perfectly, since there's always a little distance from reality to here, after camera software which eventually tweaks the color's image. But it confirms how the hue seems the best out there.

Too bad, over the high price, it needs so much tweaking on details to be accurately similar to the one of the movie, and also SR do not listen to any request and confusing people by telling their coat is "waxed" when you ask infos (I kept their answer also, I know what I'm saying).

I also tried to understand here in Italy who is (and eventually I'd have tried to contact) their manufacturer, is not that easy to find out, maybe it's part of the big luxury group "Giglio Luxury", maybe is another "Giglio" but there is no trace of it.
At that point I was even bold enough to ask them who it was, since I would have also avoided customs and maybe we would have made a transaction anyway, you can imagine what they answered me (I asked them at the end of our short mail exchange, no excuses for their lack of customer orientation then).
It still remains a twill, unlike the duck in the film, but as a laminate it must be top.

 

[RickC137]

I actually don't agree that WLS "needs a lot of work" post sale provided they follow the instructions you give them.

Case it point: in 2022 Shahrooz had them make a coat with my collar pattern/specs and correct SA attachment.

At first, they succeeded in making the collar itself correctly, but still failed to attach the collar per the SA specs provided. So, I had Shahrooz send them this correction:

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A few weeks later, they sent him this photo with the correct collar attachment/placing:

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A couple of thoughts. It's a pity that WSL doesn't simply attach their collar correctly after this has been pointed out to them on several occasions. The same can be said for their collar design which is also incorrect. Also, as pictured above, they used passable faux shearling instead of that hideous faux fur they seem to use more often now.

WSL is duck which, as CoutLau points out is very well suited for heavy waxing which is absolutely essential.

Strictly speaking -just as a coat- WSL is simply better quality than BEP/ELS, which seems far more lightweight by comparison. WSL is more tailored, upholstered and there's no issue with baggy sleeves or paper thin quilting/lining. But, having said that, BEP/ELS does get most of the SA details right from the get-go. Having both coats, one definitely feels like cosplay garment while the other more like a proper coat.

In any event, I'm currently getting extensive work done on my ELS with a local tailor: replacing the shearling, replacing the quilting, reinforcing structuring on the shoulder panels, adding buckram to the collar and in general making the coat more tailored. I hope to post pictures of the entire process when it's finished.

Hey,

I just wanted to ask you,, do you think I'll be able to get by with just one tin of Barbour wax..??
You said you used 1 and a half to do your jacket.. @ $25 a piece.., I really don't want to buy two if I can get away with using just one lol

Thanks..

 

[Mechanismo]

Hey,

I just wanted to ask you,, do you think I'll be able to get by with just one tin of Barbour wax..??
You said you used 1 and a half to do your jacket.. @ $25 a piece.., I really don't want to buy two if I can get away with using just one lol

Thanks..

Buy two, I'd say. It's worth it. You can always save whatever's leftover for the next time you wax it, like I did.

 

[RickC137]

This was my first effort.. before I decided to go all out and get an actual replica version..
This was only a $30 purchase on Temu hah

 

[RickC137]

Buy two, I'd say. It's worth it. You can always save whatever's leftover for the next time you wax it, like I did.

Yeah.. I really don't want to though..
I'm so broke these days,, if I can save 25 bucks, then I'd really like to.. I'd just like to know if I can get by with just 1 and still get the overall effect I'm looking for..
(Work is very slow in the winter.. lol)

 

[Mechanismo]

Yeah.. I really don't want to though..
I'm so broke these days,, if I can save 25 bucks, then I'd really like to.. I'd just like to know if I can get by with just 1 and still get the overall effect I'm looking for..
(Work is very slow in the winter.. lol)

Then I suggest you try a cheaper alternative that's essentially the same product:

 

[Malibu139]

what the label says it's exactly what I pointed out, I kept for the record a pic from that guy who sold his one on ebay about 6 months ago, where same label is shown.

What I see here in first pic, it seems too glossy, other pics in the sun show how wondeful is the color, it seems still a little too bluyish, however I guess is impossible to understand perfectly, since there's always a little distance from reality to here, after camera software which eventually tweaks the color's image. But it confirms how the hue seems the best out there.

Too bad, over the high price, it needs so much tweaking on details to be accurately similar to the one of the movie, and also SR do not listen to any request and confusing people by telling their coat is "waxed" when you ask infos (I kept their answer also, I know what I'm saying).

I also tried to understand here in Italy who is (and eventually I'd have tried to contact) their manufacturer, is not that easy to find out, maybe it's part of the big luxury group "Giglio Luxury", maybe is another "Giglio" but there is no trace of it.
At that point I was even bold enough to ask them who it was, since I would have also avoided customs and maybe we would have made a transaction anyway, you can imagine what they answered me (I asked them at the end of our short mail exchange, no excuses for their lack of customer orientation then).
It still remains a twill, unlike the duck in the film, but as a laminate it must be top.

Post 2,001 in this thread has some info on the lab that waxes for SR.

 

[Mechanismo]

Post 2,001 in this thread has some info on the lab that waxes for SR.

Thanks for the heads-up about that. The thing is, once I enquired about it, the guy's response was simply:

"Unfortunately I can't tell you the name without a permission. But I can ask them.
They work with Dior, Chanel, Belstaff, Matchless......."

Which is kind of ridiculous. We're talking about a business that waxes coats here...
Why on earth would he -or they- have to be so secretive about that?

 

[RickC137]

Thanks for the heads-up about that. The thing is, once I enquired about it, the guy's response was simply:

"Unfortunately I can't tell you the name without a permission. But I can ask them.
They work with Dior, Chanel, Belstaff, Matchless......."

Which is kind of ridiculous. We're talking about a business that waxes coats here...
Why on earth would he -or they- have to be so secretive about that?

omg I actually do remember seeing that post haha,, this thread has so much info in it.. years and years of posts.. its pretty great that way..
considering how 'into it' ppl have gotten,, I'm surprised coat makers don't do more about it..

so that other dressing.., that's essentially the same.. i mean.., I'm happy to buy the brand name stuff.. it's in my cart right now.. I'd rather get the Barbour if its even a slightly better result.. I just figure.., I already used an entire bar of Otter wax.., so that's some groundwork at least..
You're saying it really needs more wax to the point where.., I'm better off using two of the cheaper stuff.. than just 1 of the Barbour??
I guess I'm just having a hard time accepting that it really needs that much more wax.. I mean.., I should still be able to get the overall look with one tin right? I buy the generic brands for certain things.., but something like this.., I'd like to use the right thing.. I could have just bought parafin wax but I'd rather have had the official Otter wax..., see what I mean?

So after you finished with 1 tin of Barbour..., could you have gotten away with not using a second one.. that's kinda what I'm getting at..
I just want a thin base for most of it and I'll just make sure its on thicker for certain areas.. ( shoulders, arms, back, coat tail )

 

[RickC137]

in the US.. the smallest tin of Walker and Hawkes is $20.. and the 500ml one is $50..
so no real savings there anyway.. the small one is significantly smaller than the Barbour tin..
there's the 200ml one also @ 33 USD.. (which looks to be the size of the Barbour anyway)