Lets talk all things Star Wars

[Psab keel]

The only people I've heard using the "real fan" nonsense lately (before, it was related to Prequels) is the Disney fanboys. The same people who constantly say we should be happy that Disney allows us to have new SW, no matter the quality. Saying "real fans" like all SW (parroted by Lucasfilm employees too) is just BS. There's never been a point in the history of SW where fans loved everything. Ask people who were around during the OT, usually the fans who were like 12 or older, about the reception of ROTJ.

The blood thirsty need for conformity, and the demand for the same towards others is what honestly terrifies me.

 

[ScourgiousJinx]

We should remember who the true villains are...

 

[Psab keel]

Yup.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

We should remember who the true villains are...

View attachment 1852495

Pfft…pathetic villains…they were defeated by the Tri-Lambs, after all.

 

[HeartBlade]

Oh I wasn't referring to you at all or anyone here in particular. I came across a few comments elsewhere and an "article" all which I hesitate to repost. Social media has been really getting under my skin lately. I shouldn't let it.

You dont mean those mean white sexist racist panderist literist men despite Star Wars previously having wide mass appeal in other regions such as Japan due to Kurosawa's heavy influence on the story right?

Whats more shocking is that are "real fans" making a campaign to save the acolyte and arguing that apparently we dont know what we are talking about when we raise unreasonable criticisms like "breaking the lore" or "good writing" which are all apparently stealth criticisms of us hating diversity.

I do still enjoy star wars and the themes and narratives the Lucas movies had as well as discuss theories based on what Lucas was trying to convey in his movies but Im actually seriously hoping the Star Wars IP just dies now. No more movies, tv shows, video games. Just nothing. The narrative regarding this IP is just toxic on both sides (people running victory laps now that the Acolyte is done and people literally saying old Star Wars fans should die and Disney is pandering to toxic fans, etc. on the other). Star Wars clearly doesnt have any more story to tell and I feel Disney milking the franchise only propegates this stupid culture war that seems to be going on. The stuff they produce is honestly not worth the toxicity it generates (its not even good). Terminator is already a dead franchise, as is Back to the Future (I suppose argubaly revived as Rick and Morty), Saw.

 

[batguy]

The scale of the controversy & divisions with modern SW is artificial. It's a hangover from when the SW franchise was the biggest thing on earth. And now as the entire Disney corp is unraveling, SW has become Exhibit-A so it gets a lot of analysis.

These modern SW shows all produce more media coverage & niche fan squabbling than actual viewership. The average person already thinks SW jumped the shark with the ST. They have watched little or nothing in the franchise since before Covid.

 

[Psab keel]

The scale of the controversy & divisions with modern SW is artificial. It's a hangover from when the SW franchise was the biggest thing on earth. And now as the entire Disney corp is unraveling, SW has become Exhibit-A so it gets a lot of analysis.

These modern SW shows all produce more media coverage & niche fan squabbling than actual viewership. The average person already thinks SW jumped the shark with the ST. They have watched little or nothing in the franchise since before Covid.

This. A lot of fans approach this more as a case study of Lucasfilm as a movie studio than anything else and how it speaks to the grand scheme of Hollywood on the whole. That's a pretty damning testament to how poorly it's run and how bland/ bad the content has become. It doesn't help when you hear horror stories about the parent company in the news as often as you do. If you have any doubts, just Google their IT layoffs from 2015, or in the last week or so, Jeffrey Piccolo wrongful death suit, and see for yourself the real face of Disney.

 

[CB2001]

Star Wars fans would be a lot cooler if they were all High Lander and had seek each other out and duel to the death to absorb each others fandom. There can only be one!

But there's a flaw with that, if there's only just one fan, then how would the franchise continue if there were none but one left? XD

 

[pengbuzz]

Is anyone else tired of hearing Star Wars fans deciding what makes a makes a "real" fan based on their own inane criteria (which of course varies from person to person)? I sure am. Maybe worry more about yourself and less about others.
View attachment 1852399

I'm sick of that subjective nonsense too. It's a pathetic cudgel to validate either blind hatred or insufferable loyalty to a brand.

Honestly, I haven't encountered much of that lately. I see nonstop complaints about specific content (including those coming from myself), but that's something completely different. The Acolyte sucks and did damage to Star Wars continuity. But I'm not accusing anyone of not being a "real" fan.

I agree with all the sentiments expressed, here.

As an enlightened fan, who stands above the fray, I’ll share my view. In my experience, there exists two distinct groups of Star Wars fans:

- Fans with impeccable taste.

- Fans of Disney Star Wars.

There should be room for both groups, in this world.

View attachment 1852427

The only people I've heard using the "real fan" nonsense lately (before, it was related to Prequels) is the Disney fanboys. The same people who constantly say we should be happy that Disney allows us to have new SW, no matter the quality. Saying "real fans" like all SW (parroted by Lucasfilm employees too) is just BS. There's never been a point in the history of SW where fans loved everything. Ask people who were around during the OT, usually the fans who were like 12 or older, about the reception of ROTJ.

" There can only be one opinion. Mine."

*Lightning surrounds me....



-Duncan McSkywalker

I'm sorry to have to do this to all of you, but I feel I need to show you all what a real Star Wars Fan looks like.

Here's the truth:

Spoiler

This is an actual Star Wars Fan, ceiling mounted. It's 120V and has decorative "X-Wing" s-foil blades (complete with "laser cannons" and an "R2-D2" style Astromech droid head/ fan hub. It has 3 speeds (high, medium and low) and a switch to reverse the direction of airflow from floor-ward to ceiling-ward.

 

[BROTHERFOSTER]

View this content on Instagram

View this content on Instagram

 

[kalkamel]

 

[CopperRevan]

Oh I wasn't referring to you at all or anyone here in particular. I came across a few comments elsewhere and an "article" all which I hesitate to repost. Social media has been really getting under my skin lately. I shouldn't let it.

I agree with your sentiments totally...I'm erasing my post because i've already exhausted my opinion on the matter and do not want this to generate any unnecessary emotional responses. I truly hope all fans of Star Wars can have rational conversations once again without labeling the other and can genuinly critique content and feel free doing so.

 

[JediG60racer]

I'd rather hear the story of R5-D4 the Astromech or GNK4 the Power Droid or even the Death Sticks dealer, than Darth Plague whoever. One throwaway scene in a prequel movie did not make me want to hear more of that.

Three episodes of Acolyte did not make me want more of any of the characters in the show. Honestly if one episode doesn't make me want more of them, the show has already failed in my world.

Say what you will about the slow burn in Andor, the characters were gripping and engaging. I didn't even care that there were zero Jedi involved.

Ahsoka was not a good show, neither was Boba Fett. We had characters we were already invested in and those were the only reasons we kept watching. Acolyte sold me on precisely zero characters.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

We should remember who the true villains are...

View attachment 1852495

I was a jock who was a closet nerd, so I'm not sure where that leaves me.

 

[ghostryder]

 

[Captain Dunsel]

I was a jock who was a closet nerd, so I'm not sure where that leaves me.

Same here.

 

[ScourgiousJinx]

I agree with your sentiments totally...I'm erasing my post because i've already exhausted my opinion on the matter and do not want this to generate any unnecessary emotional responses. I truly hope all fans of Star Wars can have rational conversations once again without labeling the other and can genuinly critique content and feel free doing so.

I read your original post, just didn't have the time to respond. I do agree with live and let live above all else along with the importance of having rational dialogue. I also feel like we've all covered the topic extensively, even those who haven't posted their thoughts here. I felt bad for even bringing it up an hour or two after I posted.

I have to remind myself that people are going to do what they're going to do. All we can control is how we react & respond to others. I shouldn't have let some internet randos and an overly sensationalistic article get under my skin.(again not referring at all to anyone here-for real).

 

[ScourgiousJinx]

I was a jock who was a closet nerd, so I'm not sure where that leaves me.

I feel like a lot of people were somewhere in between. I did martial arts and track which wasn't quite enough to put me in the jock category, but was enough to often avoid being categorized as a nerd despite my love for sci fi, horror and comics. Star Wars definitely shook things up with fandom getting out of control. The first time I encountered nerd on nerd bullying IRL was of course Star Wars related. I remember thinking "What the hell? We're all on the same team!"

 

[pengbuzz]

I read your original post, just didn't have the time to respond. I do agree with live and let live above all else along with the importance of having rational dialogue. I also feel like we've all covered the topic extensively, even those who haven't posted their thoughts here. I felt bad for even bringing it up an hour or too after I posted.

I have to remind myself that people are going to do what they're going to do. All we can control is how we react & respond to others. I shouldn't have let some internet randos and an overly sensationalistic article get under my skin.(again not referring at all to anyone here-for real).

Well, we could all do this instead:

Then we could all use wacky gadgets invented by Q and inflate boss villains using compressed air!

 

[HeartBlade]

This. A lot of fans approach this more as a case study of Lucasfilm as a movie studio than anything else and how it speaks to the grand scheme of Hollywood on the whole. That's a pretty damning testament to how poorly it's run and how bland/ bad the content has become. It doesn't help when you hear horror stories about the parent company in the news as often as you do. If you have any doubts, just Google their IT layoffs from 2015, or in the last week or so, Jeffrey Piccolo wrongful death suit, and see for yourself the real face of Disney.

I feel Disney has always been rather unscrupulous as a company but had been able to maintain a good positive image due to releasing good work as well as being very good at hiding their bad business practices.

Disney has been a strong enemy of IP protection, basically stealing fables that were in public domain and monopolizing it as their own IPs (little mermaid, Aladdin, tried trademarking "day of the dead" etc). They are incredibly litigious with an army of lawyers that would put law firms to shame.

While the current lawsuit regarding tor wrongful death is harsh, its not surprising, the only surprise being that Disney is using such a stupid argument as TOS to defend against a wrongful death claim. They also prevented a kid from having a Spiderman tombstone, ordered daycares to remove their characters from their murals, and resisted settling on a deadly monorail crash for a year.

To be honest, alot of companies have done some pretty immoral things (BP, Shell, and Nestle being some horror stories). I do think they were more under wraps because it was harder to get access to that news before the internet.