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HeartBlade
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It sounds like they consider “story” as only the slow moments where the characters sit down and talk. Empire is quite slow in comparison. I do agree that RotJ is more elaborate with more aliens, especially in Jabba’s palace.
While I personally felt the movie was a fitting conclusion to the story and a new trilogy would have to bring in a completely new villain, new conflict, etc. I do think it’s a testament to the movies though that these reviewers want more and actively hope for a new movie “every 3 years.”
Monkey’s paw that one.
Also got kind of a lore question. Do you guys consider Ventress, Savage, Kylo Ren, or Snoke to be Sith?
While I personally felt the movie was a fitting conclusion to the story and a new trilogy would have to bring in a completely new villain, new conflict, etc. I do think it’s a testament to the movies though that these reviewers want more and actively hope for a new movie “every 3 years.”
Monkey’s paw that one.
Also got kind of a lore question. Do you guys consider Ventress, Savage, Kylo Ren, or Snoke to be Sith?
Nope, none of them are. "Sith" is a title, not an identity, type, or style. Like "Jedi", you have to be awarded that title by a Master.
Yeah they would be Dark Side users or Dark Siders. I also wouldn't consider Starkiller (not sure if he's canon because Lucas did help with that story) a Sith because he turned against Vader. The dumbest wrench Lucasfilm threw into it was calling people "Dark Jedi" in some of the old EU until they got rid of the term. They were just Dark Side users.
I also wonder how a Dark Side user affects the Force balance (Light side influence being "in balance" according to Jedi) or if it's only when Sith are causing the Dark Side to gain influence. I'm not sure some rando character out doing bad things would change anything because it's not causing a galactic shift.
I also wonder how a Dark Side user affects the Force balance (Light side influence being "in balance" according to Jedi) or if it's only when Sith are causing the Dark Side to gain influence. I'm not sure some rando character out doing bad things would change anything because it's not causing a galactic shift.
HeartBlade
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Cool and yeah, I agree Starkiller wouldnt be a Sith either.
Sith is a title and in that time period, you needed to be one of the two members in the "rule of two" to be a Sith, hence Yoda's quote of "only two. A Master and an Apprentice." The Master is always Sidious and the apprentice would be Maul, then Dooku, then Vader.
I think in legends and other media, the Sith apprentice would also take on an apprentice of their own as additional help to take down their master. I believe Darth Zannah did that to take down Bane (who invented the rule of two) and that was considered ok but the apprentice didnt become a sith until Zannah became the master by defeating Bane. Since Starkiller was Vader's secret apprentice, he would not have been a Sith until Vader defeated Sidious or Sidious was otherwise defeated (given Starkiller also basically rejects the dark side halfway through, he isnt a sith anyway arguably).
It never happens anyway but I do wonder what would have happened if Sidious died in the bout against Starkiller (either Starkiller died or they both died). Would Starkiller become the next Sith Master despite dying and rejecting the Sith or would Vader ascend to Master status despite not being the one to kill his own master?
I think the dumbest wrench was adding terms like Sith acolyte, Sith assassin, or Sith warrior. Unlike Tolkien, Lucas was pretty loose with lore and let third parties basically add what they want which may have contributed to its longevity but it definately added alot of confusion. While Disney arguably went the right direction by making things legends, they havent been very strict on adherence to law either.
I love the Darth Bane Trilogy, which makes The Acolyte look like a beginning writing assignment in 2nd grade.
I think you would still become a Sith if you're the last apprentice standing. I think killing your master by causing them to kill themselves or be killed would still count. In the case of the fight with Starkiller, I think if Sidious and/or Starkiller died, Vader would become Master if he just didn't help Sidious with his full abilities. Like "Oh no, I guess I wasn't fast enough to save him..."
It looks like there is a maybe modified mouse droid? Looked like it had stuff on top of it and was white.
HeartBlade
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Yeah makes sense although kind of detracts from the strongest/smartest survive. The sith actually surviving for thousands of years under the rule of two is quite impressive given the multitude of possible risks that could jepardize the order. I suppose mostly staying hidden aka not getting into fights with their sworn enemy, and building up their strength and skill helps significantly. Maul was the "apprentice" but was able to take down Qui Gon relatively easily and Qui Gon was a high tier jedi. He also operated like an assassin so wiped out any who saw him so even sighting the sith was unheard of for several years to the point they were thought extinct (until acolyte changed that...)
It makes me wonder if part of the thinking in The Acolyte was that this band of witches went rogue from the Sith order and were trying to defy the "rule of two" or something in that vein.
As for Jedi vs Sith, I see it like this:
Jedi: "Back to your corners, no biting, kicking, shots below the belt or songs about Barney the Dinosaur."
Sith: "MORTAL KOMBAT!!!!"
*Cue Techno Syndrome by The Immortals*
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CB2001
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And apparently the same wheels and chassis as the Ghost Trap from Ghostbusters: Afterlife. XD
Those are getting harder to find…
Rumors, again, that Kathleen may be leaving Lucasfilm.
Someone, quick, check-in with Mr. Zeroh…
Well…his latest videos have not mentioned it and if anyone knows what’s happening on the down-low, it’s Mike…
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I'd all but forgotten Mike Zeroh. How that hack remains on YouTube is beyond me. He needs to rename his channel Mike Zeroh Credibility. Unless that was his intention all along. To get views by satirizing the fanboys and getting them worked up with lies about their favorite franchises. If that's the case, the dude is an evil genius. Then again, that's just a wild theory on my part. Lol
Well…look at the views and subscription numbers on the channel…
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