Yeah, that's the one. It's almost like the photographer hasn't seen SW. They probably work for Lucasfilm now on the new SW.
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Yeah, that's the one. It's almost like the photographer hasn't seen SW. They probably work for Lucasfilm now on the new SW.
ScourgiousJinx
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NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Was watching a YouTube video on the show’s lack of ratings. The funniest comment was from a viewer who said They Acolyte was written by ChatLGBT.
I disagree... I think an AI could do a better job.
CB2001
Master Member
Yay AI STAR WARS!
“Chatgpt make Luke fight 13 tie fighters with 3 lightsabers!!!!”
“Wooooowwww. Now THIS is pod racing!!!”
I would never want to do a Star Wars project. AI is probably the only future for it. Every dude can just watch his own lame version.
“Chatgpt make Luke fight 13 tie fighters with 3 lightsabers!!!!”
“Wooooowwww. Now THIS is pod racing!!!”
I would never want to do a Star Wars project. AI is probably the only future for it. Every dude can just watch his own lame version.
CB2001
Master Member
As oppose to the lame Sequel Trilogy, Book of Boba Fett, Madalorian Season 3, Obiwan Kenobi and and The Acolyte we got that was done by people that claimed they knew Star Wars better than the fans and even better than George Lucas himself? XD
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I'd love to see one of those claims where any of those show runners said they knew the series better than George...
Also fans don't necessarily make good story tellers.
Look up the trailer for Critical Drinker's movie. Laughably bad.
And all he does is whine about bad writing.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Well, I mad it a minute and nine seconds before I quit.
CB2001
Master Member
To be fair, someone can easily say that the 1977 trailer for Star Wars was bad by today’s standards. Also, there are several good movies have had bad trailers (see examples: Kick-Ass, Strange Days (the original teaser trailer), Braveheart, Hellboy (2004), The Abyss, The Cabin in The Woods, Eternal Sunshine of The Spotless Mind, Minority Report… I could go on, but at this point, you’ve probably get the point that some trailers don’t do the film justice). Plus, it’s a trailer. If you’re gonna judge him on bad writing, shouldn’t you watch the film first to make that judgement? This would be like judging a well written book by with a solid color for a cover. But, since you’re quick to judge this trailer because it’s by a guy you don’t agree with, I see no point it trying to argue about that with you. You do you.
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CB2001
Master Member
To each their own.
As a Proof of concept it is quite convincing, I must say. Especially when you look at the fact that this was done within a few hours. The moral implications aside, it will unstoppably become a new tool in the movie making tool box.
I agree that most fans make crappy movies.
Most people make crappy art.
Even most people who are big fans of it.
Even most critics.
Imagine thinking you would be a good musician just because you have opinions about music.
Imagine thinking you would be good at building an airplane just because you have opinions about them.
Opinions about art are cheap.
Creating art is fundamentally different from critiquing it.
Most people make crappy art.
Even most people who are big fans of it.
Even most critics.
Imagine thinking you would be a good musician just because you have opinions about music.
Imagine thinking you would be good at building an airplane just because you have opinions about them.
Opinions about art are cheap.
Creating art is fundamentally different from critiquing it.
universaljoint
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Oh no, they're 100% correct in their opinion that the trailer is bad.
And you're completely wrong that you can't judge a movie by it's trailer... The trailer is literally the hook to get people to watch it. You can't compare that to judging a book by it's cover either, because the cover is only part of the book trailer. The actual description on the dust jacket is the full trailer. And if that description is garbage, than why would you buy the book?
You reference Star Wars trailers, yet you don't include the context of the time. Yes, those old trailers wouldn't get me into that movie today.
But back in 1977 when that was the norm, it worked for a reason. And it DID work.
And I'll say here what I said on the youtube channel about it. The trailer is low budget looking, generic, and derivative. Right down to his tag line: "We made a thing..." was ripping off Jeremy Clarkson. That said, I praised their ability to actually make a movie, but that's were the praise ended.
Who the hell in their right mind thinks anyone would watch a movie based on a trailer that's lousy?
NOW, if you were to avoid trailers and just watch a movie because it was there, then that's fair. I'll in fact avoid trailers in many cases for many reasons. One is because you are partly right in that trailers may convey things that aren't indicative of being something interesting to watch. But that's usually ones that show nothing but action, or singular scenes...
This trailer however shared a LOT. Bad acting. Generic plot(s). Generic action scenes. Low budget cinematography styles. Things look cheap for a reason. And cheap things break quickly for a reason. They're cheap.
Bloop
Sr Member
Just watched The Acolyte's penultimate episode. It kind of encapsulates all the problems that the series has had. As I've said before, I'm not going to criticize the show simply for diverse casting or trying to present something a bit different from past Star Wars iterations. But I will critique it based on the quality of the storytelling.
The storytelling is the main problem. The story itself has been uneven and frought with puzzling events and character motivations, partly stemming from a lack of proper character development. I find myself confused over what's happening and why, and why each character is doing what their motivations are.
The use of the Witches, while I know is part of established Star Wars canon at this point, still feels out of place with Star Wars for me. I'm someone that saw all the original trilogy in theaters as a child, so that's my frame of reference. Basically, anything that Lucas himself didn't directly, fully create feels at odds with what I think of as Star Wars, which includes the animated shows like Clone Wars - I know Lucas was involved with CW, but the more he allowed others to write and take control of Star Wars, the less it feels like a coherent "world" to me.
Back to The Acolyte, the Witches coven and their powers just seem out of place in the SW Universe. The Mother characters turning into smoke (with Osha too) and posessing people is confusing as well. That also factors into the storytelling - I understood that the way this series was constructed - with flashbacks and different perspectives - would require seeing the entire season in order to understand everything. But with only one episode left, the reveals haven't been satisfying, again leaving me wondering about motivations. Often, their actions feel out of character even with what little has been revealed about each of them. Sol's personal attatchment to Osha, Indara's leadership and decisions, Tobin's desperate desire to "go home," the twins very existence and everything they do, all feel confused and conflicted, with each one feeling underdeveloped (not to mention the rest of the characters, especially the ones that have died).
I feel like a big failing was that there were just too many characters and not enough time to spend on character development for all of them. Sol and the twins are the most developed, yet it still feels like we're misding a lot. The show would've done well to pair down the cast and focus a bit more.
The storytelling is the main problem. The story itself has been uneven and frought with puzzling events and character motivations, partly stemming from a lack of proper character development. I find myself confused over what's happening and why, and why each character is doing what their motivations are.
The use of the Witches, while I know is part of established Star Wars canon at this point, still feels out of place with Star Wars for me. I'm someone that saw all the original trilogy in theaters as a child, so that's my frame of reference. Basically, anything that Lucas himself didn't directly, fully create feels at odds with what I think of as Star Wars, which includes the animated shows like Clone Wars - I know Lucas was involved with CW, but the more he allowed others to write and take control of Star Wars, the less it feels like a coherent "world" to me.
Back to The Acolyte, the Witches coven and their powers just seem out of place in the SW Universe. The Mother characters turning into smoke (with Osha too) and posessing people is confusing as well. That also factors into the storytelling - I understood that the way this series was constructed - with flashbacks and different perspectives - would require seeing the entire season in order to understand everything. But with only one episode left, the reveals haven't been satisfying, again leaving me wondering about motivations. Often, their actions feel out of character even with what little has been revealed about each of them. Sol's personal attatchment to Osha, Indara's leadership and decisions, Tobin's desperate desire to "go home," the twins very existence and everything they do, all feel confused and conflicted, with each one feeling underdeveloped (not to mention the rest of the characters, especially the ones that have died).
I feel like a big failing was that there were just too many characters and not enough time to spend on character development for all of them. Sol and the twins are the most developed, yet it still feels like we're misding a lot. The show would've done well to pair down the cast and focus a bit more.
Bloop
Sr Member
I found this review online when looking for info to try and understand what's happened in this episode. I don't know the site or the reviewer, but I thought they delivered a thoughtful critique. Here's a quote I took from it that sums-up the show pretty well :
www.theouterhaven.net
Star Wars: The Acolyte Episode 7 Review – What Really Happened?
Is the penultimate episode of Star Wars: The Acolyte a good lead into the season finale? Or have things gotten worse for The Acolyte overall? Here's our
www.theouterhaven.net
Bloop
Sr Member
Another point about The Acolyte I've been wanting to address is the acting of the young twins. Let me preface this by saying I'm reluctant to criticize children, especially online, because I know it's not good for a child's development. Acting isn't easy, and they're doing a pretty good job of what they've been given to do on this show. But I think it's also fair to say they aren't the strongest child actors, and while I don't say this to diminish their abilities, this is a professional production that, in order to be successful in it's storytelling, depends a lot on these actors' performances. They simply aren't strong enough in acting ability to carry the weight of the show. Their line reading and emotional interactions feel false and forced, particularly with each other, which hinders the audience's ability to connect with them and the story. There was one glaring spot in this episode with the girl playing Mae that took me out of the story - midway through the episode, after she smashes the controls to get in or out, she can be seen mouthing along with Mother Koril's line, "Witches! Arm youselves!" And I don't necessarily blame the child for this unconscious act - the director or someone on set should've seen this and reshot the take.
I understand it can be difficult just to find great child actors, but factoring in that they need to be twins and look enough like they could be young versions of the adult actor makes it especially difficult. I don't know who they cast first, the children or Amanda Stenburg (adult Mae/Osha), but if they cast Stenburg first (as I suspect they did), they would've done better to cast the twins first, finding the best pair of actors they could find, and then cast the adult version of the characters to match, since it's much easier to find an adult actor that could fill that role than finding accomplished child actors that are also twins.
EDIT: I wanted to mention that I just looked on imdb and found that these girls were also in the film Violent Night, starring David Harbour (as Santa Claus), which I saw and though they did a great job sharing the role of "Trudy." Again, maybe their performances in The Acolyte required too much of them (they also played individual, lead characters as opposed to sharing one minor role) or perhaps it's more on the directors of this show that weren't able to get as good of a performance from them (maybe the production schedule of a TV show meant fewer takes). It should also be noted that the reason twin children are often hired to play one role is the limitations on how much time they are allowed to work due to child labor laws. For this show, each girl had to play different roles, meaning they couldn't split the time on set as they did in Violent Night. That, and the time limits of series TV, undoubtedly affected how much rehersal and filming time they were allowed to do.
At any rate, I just wanted to give the girls some praise to counter my critcism.
I understand it can be difficult just to find great child actors, but factoring in that they need to be twins and look enough like they could be young versions of the adult actor makes it especially difficult. I don't know who they cast first, the children or Amanda Stenburg (adult Mae/Osha), but if they cast Stenburg first (as I suspect they did), they would've done better to cast the twins first, finding the best pair of actors they could find, and then cast the adult version of the characters to match, since it's much easier to find an adult actor that could fill that role than finding accomplished child actors that are also twins.
EDIT: I wanted to mention that I just looked on imdb and found that these girls were also in the film Violent Night, starring David Harbour (as Santa Claus), which I saw and though they did a great job sharing the role of "Trudy." Again, maybe their performances in The Acolyte required too much of them (they also played individual, lead characters as opposed to sharing one minor role) or perhaps it's more on the directors of this show that weren't able to get as good of a performance from them (maybe the production schedule of a TV show meant fewer takes). It should also be noted that the reason twin children are often hired to play one role is the limitations on how much time they are allowed to work due to child labor laws. For this show, each girl had to play different roles, meaning they couldn't split the time on set as they did in Violent Night. That, and the time limits of series TV, undoubtedly affected how much rehersal and filming time they were allowed to do.
At any rate, I just wanted to give the girls some praise to counter my critcism.
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VanPersie
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His books are not that great either in my opinion.
Yeah I don’t need to see the whole flick to know that Critical Drinkwr movie is trash. Defending it is hilarious. He really does have some ardent fans
I used to like his reviews before he started cashing in on rage bait. Plus the character he plays in the reviews and the constant lame clips over and over has gotten old. But he knows his audience and is getting PAID off it, so yeah. Have at it.
He’ll never write for an actual movie. Best he can hope for is a Gina Carano straight to Tubi flick…
Yeah the flashbacks to the stuff we saw in episode 3 with the twins in the forest just really put a spotlight on the bad dialogue again. Having Sol find them JUST as they were saying exactly what he needed to hear at just the right moment was bad enough…. But yikes. The dialogue.
I don’t know if any kid could act those lines.
There was a really odd line where Carrie Anne Moss emphasized the wrong WORD and my brain shorted out. I know actors hate line reads, but wake up, director. Cuz the writer was probably at home going “hey! That’s not how that’s supposed to read!”
Sol emphasizing the wrong words or weird pauses is fine cuz English is not his first language… excusable. Trinity tho?
I used to like his reviews before he started cashing in on rage bait. Plus the character he plays in the reviews and the constant lame clips over and over has gotten old. But he knows his audience and is getting PAID off it, so yeah. Have at it.
He’ll never write for an actual movie. Best he can hope for is a Gina Carano straight to Tubi flick…
Yeah the flashbacks to the stuff we saw in episode 3 with the twins in the forest just really put a spotlight on the bad dialogue again. Having Sol find them JUST as they were saying exactly what he needed to hear at just the right moment was bad enough…. But yikes. The dialogue.
I don’t know if any kid could act those lines.
There was a really odd line where Carrie Anne Moss emphasized the wrong WORD and my brain shorted out. I know actors hate line reads, but wake up, director. Cuz the writer was probably at home going “hey! That’s not how that’s supposed to read!”
Sol emphasizing the wrong words or weird pauses is fine cuz English is not his first language… excusable. Trinity tho?
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