4' (AKA 5 foot) Falcon build

Yeah, there's plenty of ref pics out there of these details - it's just about spending the time and research - many folks have jumped right into this project, expecting to be handed all the info many have spent a decade plus researching, identifying and more money than you can imagine getting 'spec' kits and parts.
As an example - just the AMAZING and generous photo survey from one poster contained over 1,000 photos surveyed at a public display. When I finished my research, I found over 5,000 photos of the 5'r from so may incredibly generous folks that surveyed and shared - but that took a few years to find all those.

Here's a few more of that area that are readily available when doing research in old boards and posts. I'm sure you noticed, but there are the little blue boxes under the red film shape. Just an example of the extra little details in there.

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As for the back panel, there's again plenty of pics from the various posts over the years from people who surveyed the Falcon while on tour. If your only source of pics has been RPF, you've not been looking in all the right forums - there are numerous outside forums where 5' Falcon photos have been posted, and shared with others. This is all part of the Journey, going out and doing the research to find them.

For example, this is just one of the many of the cockpit area pics that are public, this one shows a detail yours is missing, the other side there are several more of these little masked off shapes. If you aren't using all the information out there and didn't confirm an area, it's not fair to say you have made an 'accurate' build. Trust me, I have lots of errors and incorrect details on my projects, it's necessary to keep moving forward, so as long as we make it look good or close, then we made a pretty great model. There's just that line when someone says their build is 'perfect', when like I said earlier, none of these builds are perfect, and never will be.

As for the armor kit, it, along with several other kits (and some photos) you are not going to find on the public postings - for the reasons that have been covered over and over.

There are a number of ILM photos of this model (including the cockpit/hurricane panel from 1976) that for various reasons are not made public - so I can assure you on the detail like I mention with the Hurricane is accurate - it's on you to accept that advice, or continue going down a path that's a 'guess'.

Just trying to offer some advice as you are clearly working to make an accurate replica with the information you have which is not always all the information.

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Okay, well if nobody is going to share their evidence, I do not believe those builds to be correct. With no evidence to the contrary, what I have is correct based on my findings. Someone saying "I have a secret photo that nobody else can see" is not proof of accuracy. With no proof those little grills on the back wall are from an amour kit, they are not, and I would say whoever goes that route has an inaccurate build. If there is no publicly available information, then the evidence is 'trust me', and I do not accept that.

I've asked for help many times - even tagged you specifically on a couple of questions. With no reply. I simply do not have access to ILM archives. Unlike someone that just happens to live close to (or in) California, I can not just 'make contacts that give me stuff'. If it's not publicly available, it's basically non existent. I've look at other forums and facebook groups. Most other forums are completely shut down, or the person that posts good photos has gotten ticked off at something and deleted the whole archive.

Based on the other builds I've seen, and the errors I've seen in those builds, mine is at least as accurate as others have done.

While I appreciate you sending me some additional references, I did ask (many times) for anyone with additional photos to please pass them along. I knew someone was going to pop out of the wood work with information after the fact.

I even called it in a previous post;
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4' (AKA 5 foot) Falcon build

Nah, they're not right after all. The ribbing is different.
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Well, you've been provided pics (evidence) by me above from the original model, showing the Morgan Headlight (part E71 in fact), which you said you'd never seen, and instead of a THANK YOU, you complained. But there's the proof for you that your yellow circle is inaccurate.

The reason I don't reply is due to your dismissive attitude when I tried to help you with your error on the top turret

So, I'll leave you with a couple tidbits even though you seem unappreciative, but it's about trying to make a point that you don't seem to understand, respecting those that came before you - with your attitude above, it might give you a glimpse why not everything is shared with you.

Your comment on the tank kit part is such a wild double standard.. You'll call your 'guessed' chop job 'accurate' because you can't see a pic of the 'real' part.

So, in addition to the actual photo evidence I provided for you on the Morgan headlight, below is a photo that shows the missing details on your backplate (but will you believe the real evidence?)

Below that, a vintage ILM pic that obviously shows the orange film in the Hurricane part just like the black panel above it (cropped from an original full hi-def image of the full model in depth of field, others in focus aren't being shared)
This photo - proof for you again that your part is inaccurate. (you might also note what you think is a 'blue' wire is actually purple for the fan)

There are so many other vintage ref pics that unfortunately you'll likely never see because of your negativity and attitude on this topic.
We know your game to try and get photos.

Good luck winging it going forward.

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Oh drop the high and mighty attitude. Am I correct that this is a video of your build? You literally making a video proclaiming your build as the worlds most accurate falcon replica. Yet it isn't.

I think it's your build? Yes? This is your claim? If not then I apologize.

It really seems like you just want to be the only one with a studio falcon build. It's an ego thing. I get it. But you claim you have all these references, yet you don't implement them into your build. Why are your starboard side console panels completely wrong? You must have had photos?

What top turret error are you speaking about? I went back and looked at my thread, the only reference to the top turret is that you asked if I'd left room for the mechanical area under the turret window, to which I replies yes. There was nothing dismissive about it. So I have no idea what you're speaking of.

You did provide some excellent references for the brick used on the docking ports, for which I'm grateful. I used them to produce a set of 3D files that I made public, for free, to everyone that needed them. I was then provided a sample of the real thing by another member, I've since updated my 3D files to reflect that. Again, as with ALL my work, it's available for free. I have no expectations that other people will grovel at my feet and bow down. I rarely get an acknowledgement much less a thank you. It doesn't bother me. I don't care. I'm not that high on myself.

Thank you for showing the photo of the hurricane part. It's very helpful. Perhaps if I'd seen it earlier when I'd ask if anyone had photos of the cockpit...

And for the record, I appreciate getting proper references for the Morgan head light part. Regardless of my mentioning I couldn't find a good reference of that being used (although I'd heard it, and it was on the part maps) I went with the flat coloured circle because that's what I could prove. With new information, I've since started the process of updating my build to use the Morgan light part.

Your comment on the tank kit part is such a wild double standard.. You'll call your 'guessed' chop job 'accurate' because you can't see a pic of the 'real' part.
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That isn't what double standard means. A double standard would be me stating that you are not providing evidence of why you are going down the path you are, while at the same time me not showing how I arrived at mine. This whole thread is me showing how I arrived at the decisions I've made. I have literally shown in this thread HOW I came to the conclusion those are Morgan parts. Apparently others feel the same way, because they're on the parts maps.

In regards to the armor grill parts, you have shown no photo references. You have shown nothing to state why you are correct. You are not providing evidence of why you're using the parts you are, likely because you don't have any and you've guessed. You have just made a claim. I do not just make claims. If I'm guessing, I admit I'm guessing. And no, I do not care that this information is classified and only an elite cabal is allowed access to the secret knowledge. If you can't show the evidence as to what kit those come out of, then you guessed. Just like I did, the difference is that I have shown why I made the guess I did.

I research as much as I have access to. Consider yourself lucky that you have been in a position where you have found yourself with access to information others do not have and can not get. If it were me, I'd have made those things available to others, clearly you just want to squirrel that stuff away.

I literally share EVERYTHING I either find or outright create on this thread so others can use. So I'd say my attitude is help others trying to do the same thing. All you have done is show up, after the fact, to **** all over everything I've done. If you don't know that's why you didn't immediately get a thank you for providing one reference photo at that point, then I don't know how to help you. I credit EVERYONE with assistance. Even you where called out for helping at some point (although at the moment I do not recall specifically what it was for, likely the HO brick references). But someone with helpful information, showing up after the fact, for no other reason than to prove me wrong?

Semi related but - a couple of months ago, on one of the Facebook 1/32 scale modellers group, someone was asking if anyone had any photos of a Mig 21 for their build. I happened to live about 20 minutes from a museum with a Mig 21 (odd for a Canadian museum, but there it is). I spent a Saturday taking about 100 photos, for a complete stranger, to help him with his build. It was a nice day, and it cost me nothing but an hour of my time. THAT is what modelling is all about. Not hiding away reference material, complaining that people don't appreciate "those that came before". You might want to consider that.

This whole 'well I found it first so I'm not going to share it' BS is really what is killing this project for me. Partially because I'm struggling to find actual references in some cases (and often not even being told where I can find them), but mostly because that whole attitude pi**es me off. It's pure selfishness.

You have your build. It's finished. I do not understand what difference it makes to you to share information with others. Well, other than, like I said, you want to be the only one with a build so you can continue to make outlandish videos and have your stuff on display.

I'm not the one with the inappropriate attitude here.
 
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So with the help of t2sides's additional photos, I've updated my cockpit to use one of the Morgan Roadstar headlights. This part is called for on the parts maps, but I was not able to find a clear photo that showed it. All the photos I had showed what looked like just a coloured circle.

The one of the left was what I had, and was damaged during removal. I tried to cut out a hole in it to accept the headlight part, clearly that didn't work. So I've just made a new one, on the right. It will replace the part I ripped out.

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Thanks to t2sides additional photos, I've been able to update the console panel mask cutting document. I think these are closer to the real thing, but if anyone has some additional corrections, please let me know.

Some of the holes on the raised portions of the panels really hug the edges of the part, so just something to be aware of.

thanks

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I hope that, despite the "Gate Keeper Effect" this build, and others, can go on;) I appreciate the efforts of many people, here, into discovering, researching and sharing precious info/pics of those ILM models that we all love. I'm, for one, trying to share with as many people as I can any info I would have on any model/prop. I just don't understand the ones who have the info and don't share it with others:unsure:
 
So it is starting to look like a thing now. Or at least, the bare bones of one. I purchased the engine stand off of Amazon and sort of got a bit of a dud. The casters do not sit level on the floor because there's a twist in one of the extrusions? Maybe? I haven't really looked. The 2.25" aluminum tube also needs to be cut down to length because there's a full 2 feet poking out the back of the stand out of frame.

I also completely overlooked the fact that this model would end up nose heavy, and it rolls down around the mounting tube. So, that was a bit stupid of me. I'm not sure how I missed that. Anyway, I'll have to come up with an insert that goes up the centre hub that will pin the model in place.

I posed this up in front of my 32"er just because I find the size difference between the two mildly hilarious.

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So wait, do I have this right: you guys are saying that if I grovel and bow down, I'll be let into the secret cabal?

Here, hold my beer...

Where do sign? Whose house do I show up at? What's the secret handshake to get in? How many genuflections counts as a legit bow? How much groveling is enough? Is it a Wayne's World "We're not worthy!" style grovel or is it more of a deep Japanese cultural bow like Hiroshi Sumi in Voice of a Star Wars Fan? What's the proper technique? Am I doing it right? Can you check my gig line?

If I was homeless, I'd have a sign around my neck that said, "Will work for 5-foot Falcon greeblie IDs"

And as I approach homelessness due to the insane and continually skyrocketing costs of building a Falcon, I am all too happy confessing to groveling and bowing down to ANYONE who knows something I don't know, or think I know but got wrong, on ANY part of the 5-foot Falcon. Marshall McLuhan said something along the lines of, 'Listen to your critics; they are free editors' - and can only improve your work.

So sign me up, I'm in for the groveling and bowing down!!! Been groveling and bowing down on here since 2016, starting with Y-Wing ID's, and no plans on quitting (although I do have a friend who got addicted to drinking brake fluid, but he swears he can stop anytime...).

Also: Sean Sides Falcon is one BAMF build, for my money. Sure he's got fake muffin fans and his burger bun is too fat, but MAN does that thing look like a beauty, and if it's good enough for ILM to film and feature in their own media, then it's good enough for me, whether or not it meets the claim of being "the most accurate perfect job in the universe ever" which is likely next going to be claimed by the dang good build coming into fruition by Stu Brown.

And once I've built mine, heh-heh-heh, then YOU guys will be groveling and bowing down to me because... oh wait, sorry, that was my ego talking, and not my rational, calm, perfectly peaceful, Zen-mind, Buddha-body, ***** soul...

For what it's worth: both Sean Sides and Dave Winter (and Stu Brown, JCoffman, Bjorn, SWGeek, and many others, etc.) have helped me in building mine, and for that they have my eternal grovels of gratitude. And even commenters who give me a "Like" make me feel like a million bucks -- Mark Twain famously said something like, "I can live two months on a good compliment" which on the RPF is now more like, "I can live two months on a digital emoji that takes less than one parsec to punch..."
 
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If I was homeless, I'd have a sign around my neck that said, "Will work for 5-foot Falcon greeblie IDs"
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Well, I LOL'd at that. Sorry.

Heck, I wouldn't even mind paying for copies of some of the "secret answers", I've probably paid more for less in my time. Certainly if that person spent money to get them themselves then I'd think that's fair. But that's apparently not an option either. If you're not in the club, you're not in the club.

All I can say to the rest is that I try to help where I can. Or at least share what I am doing in the off chance it helps someone else. I see no point in not doing that.

Anyway - back to our regularly scheduled build programming.

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Whoa!

Is RPF allergic to the word "*****" for some reason? Why did my post that included the line, "Zen-mind, Buddha-body, ***** soul..." have the name Gee-Suz replaced with five asterisks? Are they discriminating against one of the most popular gods of the universe?

This seem weird to anyone else but me?
 
I am a Falcon Student and started my journey very late . There are those since 1977 that have become actual professors in this subject. Research accomplished when only pictures and a few magazines articles existed. Negatives & copies now gone. Homework is required for a reasonably accurate build. Complex subjects require asking questions respectfully of a web site that can likely teach you all you know. I am a little conflicted regarding some experts and professionals. Is there an obligation of anyone to teach all they know?

Today, there is so much knowledge available on the Falcon. The relatively recent Bandai 1/72 scale model alone is a treasure. So many technology improvements for the builder since the days of balsa and plastic. Plus, some increase in the numbers of crazy Studio Scale Falcon modelers willing to share their discoveries and footnote their input.
 
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My boss once told me on a job I got right after college that I shouldn't bring my troubles to work: "Go buy a dog, and if you have a bad day, kick the dog; don't take it out on us."

I never did buy a dog, nor do I kick the ones I have now 30 years later, but I got and took the point.
 
For anyone that cares, I've posted all the 3D files I used to help build my cockpit over on Cults3D. Sorry jcoffman99, I tried to post these to your reference site but the files were too large. Feel free to grab them and post them up there if you wish.

While I scratch built my cockpit from kit parts and sheet stryene, I find it extremely useful to model everything in Blender first. That way I can resize and move things around as required. It saves me cutting up parts from $200 kits and getting it wrong.

The collection comes with rudimentary versions of the Morgan Roadstar seats and floor but they are not intended to be used in a final build as they're missing a few details. They were made just well enough to serve the purpose of being the correct size and basic shape.

I've included the cockpit cone as well, but I used these to generate flat patterns and made the cone from rolled sheet plastic. You can certainly print the cone if you wish, but I'm not sure how well it would turn out.

None of the other greeblies are included either. Those would come from kits as well.

Click here: Cockpit Interior and Cone

Maybe this will help someone.

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