The Y-Wing "Green Leader" Project - NOW OPEN SOURCE!

[MonsieurTox]

Re: The Y-Wing "Green Leader" Project - NOW OPEN SOURCE!

Here's and interesting image of the Ys ready for paint. On the three nose down models the Tees are definitely brass colored, not the dark grey of the Plastruct ABS Tees. The nose up model looks to have been primed, You can't make out the Tees on the fifth model on top of the toolbox in the background.

Edit - something I just noticed is the TIE Interceptor wing in the background. So that would make this photo from ROTJ. But there is a photo of Dave Beasley working on the original ANH Y and the Tees are brass.

http://i1053.photobucket.com/albums/s480/GoldbergArts/Y-Wing Build/bts09_zpsrlhgqvmi.jpg

The painted Y is an ANH model which was redressed for ROTJ with 312T4 parts on the wings.It comes from the same mold than the Ladd Y (then are identical minus One or two parts that were added or sanded, the cockpit is 100% identical including the added panels).

The other Ys in this shot are made from a third set of mold, the cockpit is identical to the Ladd/MoM while the body is a third master made from a leftover of the first mold creates for ANH (and used for Red Jammer, Gold Leader and the One that was auctioned at profile il history back in 2010),
What you see like brass Tees in the pics are not brass tees, it's brass, yes, but it stock brass stripes. They are riveted to the engine cans (I have close up showing those rivets and those flat brass bar). Those Y had only One mount inside the front Intake, the ANH mount point was located at another place, there was a removeable hatch under the cockpit, the Y could be mounted from here.

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I was planning to do them Brass and the only size I've found are matching the 3/16 inch Ts.... (T6)
I did not find yet anything close to the 1/4 inch Ts (T7). They are not doing them any more. I've asked them if they were planning to re introduce the 1/4 inch Ts and the answer was a strong No.

By the way, I do not remember ever seeing this photo of those Y-wings waiting to be painted. Thanks for that.
And what the F is that huge Y-wing on the right corner??? I knew they did a big X -wing but I've never seen a giant Y-wing like this before.

Stephane

All the Ys in the pics are the same size.


Oh and I think the Y on the toolbox is the master of those ROTJ Y. ) Those models were mold and cast as a single piece. And they are very crappy up close !

 

[marvin]

Nice. Nice that i can still be amazed by the knowledge of some people. Thanks for the share Julien.

 

[maxhebus]

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That's the one on the toobox I was talking about! I've never seen any photos of a big Y-wing like that before....
The others on stands are obviously the 1/24th scale.

Not brass Ts??? Damned

All the Ys in the pics are the same size.


Oh and I think the Y on the toolbox is the master of those ROTJ Y. ) Those models were mold and cast as a single piece. And they are very crappy up close !

 

[MonsieurTox]

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That's the one on the toobox I was talking about! I've never seen any photos of a big Y-wing like that before....
The others on stands are obviously the 1/24th scale.

Not brass Ts??? Damned

The one on the toolbox is the same scale than the other, it's the master

 

[MonsieurTox]

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This is the a close up of the second Y from the foreground of the previous pic :

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Nice. Nice that i can still be amazed by the knowledge of some people. Thanks for the share Julien.

Glad to help Marvin

I'm going to compile what I've learnt and found regarding the Y-Wings in a thread because I read a lot of things that are not always right. Unfortunatly there's still still a lot of mystery.

 

[MonsieurTox]

Sooo.....
Here the V02 of the engine connector with fins. the main body being 31.75mm or 1-1/4" as precised by Dave and Julien. I did make the connector and fins to fit the trimmed Saturn Y large cone.
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I did make a tool to make sure that the fins are perpendicular to the body. you should not need it bud just in case...
I've just send all the files to Master Dave so he can make them available on his open source account.

No support should be needed when printing.
If someone like Dave or Julien can tell me if I made it too long... .


Hope it helps.
Stephane

Looks great ! i'll give it a try !

 

[Vacformedhero]

I was planning to do them Brass and the only size I've found are matching the 3/16 inch Ts.... (T6)
I did not find yet anything close to the 1/4 inch Ts (T7). They are not doing them any more. I've asked them if they were planning to re introduce the 1/4 inch Ts and the answer was a strong No.

By the way, I do not remember ever seeing this photo of those Y-wings waiting to be painted. Thanks for that.
And what the F is that huge Y-wing on the right corner??? I knew they did a big X -wing but I've never seen a giant Y-wing like this before.

Stephane

Great spot, I never saw this image or any giant Y wing , also the large interceptor wing , wonder would they have been working on their own projects during painting

 

[MonsieurTox]

Great spot, I never saw this image or any giant Y wing , also the large interceptor wing , wonder would they have been working on their own projects during painting

Please read, this is not a giant Y, it's the same size than the other. Same with the Interceptor wing, this is a regular Interceptor wing.

 

[maxhebus]

WOW
Now I looked again after you were insanely affirming this Y-wing had the regular size and It makes sense now.
This tool box is on the work bench and not on the floor... I thought the tool box was on the floor and the standing Y-wings on a table in the middle of the room.....
That was a weird perspective trick on me.
Thanks for guiding my brain to look at this picture correctly.

I'm so disappointed about the not T brass bars...
Were they not using T bras bars ever?
So what about this image?


Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Always good to learn something.

Please read, this is not a giant Y, it's the same size than the other. Same with the Interceptor wing, this is a regular Interceptor wing.

 

[moffeaton]

Yep, those are the "background" Y-Wings I did a survey of in 2005 or so. Nothing really to glean from them, info-wise though, in building a nice Y-Wing.

 

[MonsieurTox]

WOW
Now I looked again after you were insanely affirming this Y-wing had the regular size and It makes sense now.
This tool box is on the work bench and not on the floor... I thought the tool box was on the floor and the standing Y-wings on a table in the middle of the room.....
That was a weird perspective trick on me.
Thanks for guiding my brain to look at this picture correctly.

I'm so disappointed about the not T brass bars...
Were they not using T bras bars ever?
So what about this image?
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Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Always good to learn something.

Red Jammer and Gold Leader, the 2 first Y to be made, had probably brass Tees, not the following Ys.

 

[maxhebus]

I feel better.
Was that 1/4 T brass you think? like the plastruct Ts?

Red Jammer and Gold Leader, the 2 first Y to be made, had probably brass Tees, not the following Ys.

 

[MonsieurTox]

I feel better.
Was that 1/4 T brass you think? like the plastruct Ts?

No, I don't have the precise measurements of Red Jammer tees but I have a ref pics of a ruler next to Gold Leader tees and they are 5/16" wide, not sure about the height.

 

[vectorzero]

Re: The Y-Wing "Green Leader" Project - NOW OPEN SOURCE!

I'm going to compile what I've learnt and found regarding the Y-Wings in a thread because I read a lot of things that are not always right. Unfortunatly there's still still a lot of mystery.

Bless you.

 

[moffeaton]

I think Red Jammer's T's might be plastic and not metal. There is a break in one of them (grafted piece? Just repaired? Looks like a slightly different profile? Maybe a metal/plastic combo?), and there was what appeared to be a scratch down to bare plastic on the model before it was reworked/repainted. I did measure them - they are definitely 1/4".

 

[MonsieurTox]

I think Red Jammer's T's might be plastic and not metal. There is a break in one of them (grafted piece? Just repaired? Looks like a slightly different profile? Maybe a metal/plastic combo?), and there was what appeared to be a scratch down to bare plastic on the model before it was reworked/repainted. I did measure them - they are definitely 1/4".

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The proportions of the Red Jammer tees are the exact same than the plastruct 1/4 tees (width, height, thickness).
I was thinking it could be plastic too because of the black scratches but my afterthought is that it's the undercoat, don't quote me on that, this is just my feeling. Why I can't tell the Red Jammer tees are definitely ABS tees is that they don't have the injection marks of the Plastruct ABS tees. So they could be ABS tees yes, but definitely not the plastruct ones used on the other Y.

 

[Vacformedhero]

Please read, this is not a giant Y, it's the same size than the other. Same with the Interceptor wing, this is a regular Interceptor wing.

It's not until you scrutinise it close that it's not a floor toolbox in a far corner but a small box on a desk, some wide angle lense he's using to get all the hanging y's in that shot as we're very close to that back wall , I think the window threw me as it looks like a sliding patio door . Thanks tox

 

[DaveG]

Thanks for the info Julian, I had not seen the photo of the riveted flat brass strip before.

The brass in the image of Dave Beasely working on the Y master are definitely Tees. If you look closely you can see a tell tale shadow from the shape. But this was early on in the build process (look at the short cut L'Egg cones on the front). There is another photo I've seen with plastic ABS Tees rubber banded in place on a set of Y castings being assembled. So it's possible some or all were plastic in the end.

I looked into having a run of 1/4" brass Tees machined for this project. Unfortunately the cost was a bit high for 200 pieces 14 inches long the cost was $18 per length, so $144 per model, not including a bit of mark up to cover incidental expenses. Didn't think a lot of people would be interested.

Another option is to machine down G scale model railroad brass track, taking off the top flange. I've seen that done and it looks pretty good. I might give that a try.

 

[moffeaton]

I have built (I think) 5 Y-Wings now, and they all had ABS Ts and were robust. Metal, while cool, is probably overkill.

 

[kokkari]

I've used ABS on 2 different Y's and have found that they are very robust also. I have accidentally banged them on doorways and my hands and have never broken one. In fact I've knocked off the glue joint before breaking the T's.