Ryan Gosling 'K' - Blade Runner 2049!

[Indy Magnoli]

Firstly the information we have is not ours to share, unfortunately. I could provide some details, but not photos, etc. For example, I can tell you the collar on the original coat, measured at the back (from seam edge to seam edge) is about 5.5". Someone also mentioned the pockets being too small on the various replicas; the originals are 7.5" (which make the opening closer to 6.5" once you take into account the double stitching).

As for updating our coat, we fully intend to, but sometimes a pending order is the fire lit under our butt needed to get things moving.

 

[Shahrooz]

Firstly the information we have is not ours to share, unfortunately. I could provide some details, but not photos, etc. For example, I can tell you the collar on the original coat, measured at the back (from seam edge to seam edge) is about 5.5". Someone also mentioned the pockets being too small on the various replicas; the originals are 7.5" (which make the opening closer to 6.5" once you take into account the double stitching).

As for updating our coat, we fully intend to, but sometimes a pending order is the fire lit under our butt needed to get things moving.

Thanks. With all due respect, that's just not enough to motivate a purchase, at least not for me. Not sure what you mean that the information is not "ours to share". If not sharing with your (prospective) customers, who else should it be shared with? Doesn't make much sense to me. For example, are you using the same waxed cotton or have you found some other material? That is a critical and threshold matter. what type of shearling are you using? Your current selection is generally disliked even by those who otherwise like your coat (that's generally true for all Officer K coatmakers at the moment, unfortunately). It cost me less than 50 dollars to buy better looking faux shearling than that available on any of the currently available coats. Not sure why you cannot comment on these issues if there is new information. This doesnt seem like a ton of new information otherwise.

 

[Mechanismo]

Firstly the information we have is not ours to share, unfortunately. I could provide some details, but not photos, etc. For example, I can tell you the collar on the original coat, measured at the back (from seam edge to seam edge) is about 5.5". Someone also mentioned the pockets being too small on the various replicas; the originals are 7.5" (which make the opening closer to 6.5" once you take into account the double stitching).

As for updating our coat, we fully intend to, but sometimes a pending order is the fire lit under our butt needed to get things moving.

Not to reiterate the various points that I’ve brought up in the past regarding all the specific discrepancies between your coat and the screen coat, but after pretty exhaustive study, it’s quite clear that -regarding the collar specifically- at its widest point (at the nape of the neck) from seam to seam the movie coat is no less than 7 inches. And by no means is the collar one straight un-tapered rectangular piece as you currently offer. Now, I’m not refuting that you might have actual measurements off the original coat, but -unfortunately- it’s hearsay. Furthermore, if your coat matched up to anything remotely resembling the patterns and characteristics that what we see on screen (shearling aside), I, for one, would be the first to applaud it and purchase your coat without hesitation. Currently, this is simply not the case.

 

[Shahrooz]

Not to reiterate the various points that I’ve brought up in the past regarding all the specific discrepancies between your coat and the screen coat, but after pretty exhaustive study, it’s quite clear that -regarding the collar specifically- at its widest point (at the nape of the neck) from seam to seam the movie coat is no less than 7 inches. And by no means is the collar one straight untampered rectangular piece as you currently offer. Now, I’m not refuting that you might have actual measurements off the original coat, but -unfortunately- it’s hearsay. Furthermore, if your coat matched up to anything remotely resembling the patterns and characteristics that what we see on screen (shearling aside), I, for one, would be the first to applaud it and purchase your coat without hesitation. Currently, this is simply not the case.

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[jholko]

Firstly the information we have is not ours to share, unfortunately. I could provide some details, but not photos, etc. For example, I can tell you the collar on the original coat, measured at the back (from seam edge to seam edge) is about 5.5". Someone also mentioned the pockets being too small on the various replicas; the originals are 7.5" (which make the opening closer to 6.5" once you take into account the double stitching).

As for updating our coat, we fully intend to, but sometimes a pending order is the fire lit under our butt needed to get things moving.

Here is my suggestion having just purchased a Magnoli....
1. Be Clear that you have information that will lead to a more SA coat BEFORE you take someones money. I would have waited based on your comments above. I was quite clear in my correspondence I wanted the most SA latest pattern.
2. Strongly suggest you buy a SR yourself and check out their material and try and source the same. If producing a SA coat is truly the goal then this would be a very good step for you. It would definitely give you the edge if you took this path.

I have nothing against the build quality of the Magnoli I received - its beautifully made. Its just unfortunately, not as good as the SR in terms of the fabric, lapel sizes etc.

Finally, if you have information from an actual coat from the film, please share it. Don't hint at it and hide under 'its not mine to share'. That isn't cool at all.

 

[Shahrooz]

Here is my suggestion having just purchased a Magnoli....
1. Be Clear that you have information that will lead to a more SA coat BEFORE you take someones money. I would have waited based on your comments above. I was quite clear in my correspondence I wanted the most SA latest pattern.
2. Strongly suggest you buy a SR yourself and check out their material and try and source the same. If producing a SA coat is truly the goal then this would be a very good step for you. It would definitely give you the edge if you took this path.

I have nothing against the build quality of the Magnoli I received - its beautifully made. Its just unfortunately, not as good as the SR in terms of the fabric, lapel sizes etc.

Finally, if you have information from an actual coat from the film, please share it. Don't hint at it and hide under 'its not mine to share'. That isn't cool at all.

I agree with everything you and Mechanismo said. This isn't a 'cheap' item. For the price Magnoli charges, he needs to be transparent. His comments above are completely devoid of transparency.

 

[Egon]

I don't particularly have an opinion on this part, but playing devils advocate :

Sometimes makers are given access to props/costumes in confidence that the info won't be directly shared.

This can be because items were slipped out of production, a very high price was paid for them, or was shared and could compromise someone's job in the industry for sharing that info. So if you want to keep the contacts, you have to respect that relationship.

Idk what the case is here, but again, just playing devils advocate.

 

[Shahrooz]

I don't particularly have an opinion on this part, but playing devils advocate :

Sometimes makers are given access to props/costumes in confidence that the info won't be directly shared.

This can be because items were slipped out of production, a very high price was paid for them, or was shared and could compromise someone's job in the industry for sharing that info. So if you want to keep the contacts, you have to respect that relationship.

Idk what the case is here, but again, just playing devils advocate.

understood but still doesn't make sense. you take the prop/original coat/whatever. You make a replica coat for mass production/commercial retail purposes. You show it on your website or to your customers. Soul Revolver's coat is infinitely more screen accurate (and in my opinion, a lot better looking than Magnoli's). Did SR have access to the original coat? Perhaps. Their material is pretty darn close to the original. Could someone do better. Certainly. You don't have to say this was directly produced off of a prop or one of the 15-20 original coats (I think she only made 15 but who knows). We can decide for ourselves which one we prefer. But just hinting at some super secret coat that may or may not be made and ask people to shell out 450 bucks or more is nonsensical. We are NOT asking about WHERE the information (blueprint details, props, etc) came from, we are asking WHAT the information is, as simple as that. If telling us what the information is exposes the sources, then just produce a prototype without indicating where this confidential information came from and let us decide for ourselves whether we like what we see. Otherwise, this is like selling a ticket to a vacation trip without indicating the final destination or any trip details. The result? frustrated (potential) customers.

 

[Shahrooz]

BTW, Happy New Year everyone!

 

[Egon]

understood but still doesn't make sense. you take the prop/original coat/whatever. You make a replica coat for mass production/commercial retail purposes. You show it on your website or to your customers. Soul Revolver's coat is infinitely more screen accurate (and in my opinion, a lot better looking than Magnoli's). Did SR have access to the original coat? Perhaps. Their material is pretty darn close to the original. Could someone do better. Certainly. You don't have to say this was directly produced off of a prop or one of the 15-20 original coats (I think she only made 15 but who knows). We can decide for ourselves which one we prefer. But just hinting at some super secret coat that may or may not be made and ask people to shell out 450 bucks or more is nonsensical. We are NOT asking about WHERE the information (blueprint details, props, etc) came from, we are asking WHAT the information is, as simple as that. If telling us what the information is exposes the sources, then just produce a prototype without indicating where this confidential information came from and let us decide for ourselves whether we like what we see. Otherwise, this is like selling a ticket to a vacation trip without indicating the final destination or any trip details. The result? frustrated (potential) customers.

I don't disagree - just saying it isn't unusual to have info you can't share. I agree that if you have the info, producing an example before expecting people to trust you is completely reasonable. As is stating you're updating the jacket based on that info, then when orders are placed, the product isn't made using that new information.

 

[Mechanismo]

I don't particularly have an opinion on this part, but playing devils advocate :

Sometimes makers are given access to props/costumes in confidence that the info won't be directly shared.

This can be because items were slipped out of production, a very high price was paid for them, or was shared and could compromise someone's job in the industry for sharing that info. So if you want to keep the contacts, you have to respect that relationship.

Idk what the case is here, but again, just playing devils advocate.

That’s a good point and privileged information is a tricky one to handle sometimes. But, to me, if a coat provider has been purporting for some time to have access to the movie coat specs and hence a bang-on screen replica, then -okay, wonderful- let’s see it. We’re a captive audience.

That said, as Shahrooz and jholko point out, it seems a bit disingenuous to say you’re sitting on holy grail of coat replicas and constantly claim it’s forthcoming while continuing to offer something that is nowhere near that.

 

[Indy Magnoli]

Quick version (I'm just on my way out): We do have a lot of contacts and often get info that we can't share... but I always do my best to provide whatever info I can. Just ask the Indiana Jones community about the Grail Diary. As for this coat, yes, I've had this info for a while, but it takes a LOT of work to digest it, process it and remake patterns, etc. We also have dozens of pending projects at the moment and a relatively small team.

If there is something specific you'd like to ask about the original coat and I'm able to answer, I will. My info mostly has to do with the patterning, measurements, etc. Not so much about the materials (shell cotton, shearling, etc).

My goal is to update our current offering, but also to make a White Label version. This is a division of our company that produces made-to-measure garments, but with limited or no option for customization to streamline production and bring the price down. An extreme example is our Indiana Jones style "Adventure Jacket". The standard version is $635 and can be made in any color, material, details (different pocket size/shape, etc)... whereas the White Label version is $295 but is only available as a dark brown cowhide with distressed finish with Raiders or Last Crusade details (so only two pattern options). I figure the 2049 coat is perfect for this since most of you will want it with the same film specs. Anyway, that's our plans right now. But our WL division is SUPER overwhelmed with orders at the moment, hence the constant delays.

 

[Shahrooz]

Quick version (I'm just on my way out): We do have a lot of contacts and often get info that we can't share... but I always do my best to provide whatever info I can. Just ask the Indiana Jones community about the Grail Diary. As for this coat, yes, I've had this info for a while, but it takes a LOT of work to digest it, process it and remake patterns, etc. We also have dozens of pending projects at the moment and a relatively small team.

If there is something specific you'd like to ask about the original coat and I'm able to answer, I will. My info mostly has to do with the patterning, measurements, etc. Not so much about the materials (shell cotton, shearling, etc).

My goal is to update our current offering, but also to make a White Label version. This is a division of our company that produces made-to-measure garments, but with limited or no option for customization to streamline production and bring the price down. An extreme example is our Indiana Jones style "Adventure Jacket". The standard version is $635 and can be made in any color, material, details (different pocket size/shape, etc)... whereas the White Label version is $295 but is only available as a dark brown cowhide with distressed finish with Raiders or Last Crusade details (so only two pattern options). I figure the 2049 coat is perfect for this since most of you will want it with the same film specs. Anyway, that's our plans right now. But our WL division is SUPER overwhelmed with orders at the moment, hence the constant delays.

Helpful but still not fully responsive. If you're only referring to product measurements, I'm not interested. Improving your measurements to be more accurate is helpful, of course, but if its still the same waxed cotton and same wrong shearling, people are still better off going with WSL in my opinion. Coat material and shearling are the critical items here and it really shouldnt have taken this long for you to simply confirm that you do not in fact have any updates on those two areas. Also, WSL, which uses the same exact material, comes in at less than 250 WITH customization to the teeth and and less than 200 off the rack so your WL pricing would still be too expensive for the mass produced version, let alone for the customization version. And both are made in India or Pakistan, WSL and yours, so no difference in production quality either.

 

[Mechanismo]

Quick version (I'm just on my way out): We do have a lot of contacts and often get info that we can't share... but I always do my best to provide whatever info I can. Just ask the Indiana Jones community about the Grail Diary. As for this coat, yes, I've had this info for a while, but it takes a LOT of work to digest it, process it and remake patterns, etc. We also have dozens of pending projects at the moment and a relatively small team.

If there is something specific you'd like to ask about the original coat and I'm able to answer, I will. My info mostly has to do with the patterning, measurements, etc. Not so much about the materials (shell cotton, shearling, etc).

My goal is to update our current offering, but also to make a White Label version. This is a division of our company that produces made-to-measure garments, but with limited or no option for customization to streamline production and bring the price down. An extreme example is our Indiana Jones style "Adventure Jacket". The standard version is $635 and can be made in any color, material, details (different pocket size/shape, etc)... whereas the White Label version is $295 but is only available as a dark brown cowhide with distressed finish with Raiders or Last Crusade details (so only two pattern options). I figure the 2049 coat is perfect for this since most of you will want it with the same film specs. Anyway, that's our plans right now. But our WL division is SUPER overwhelmed with orders at the moment, hence the constant delays.

All due respect, I think you're kind of missing the point. Updates regarding your future production/pricing considerations is academic as it relates to this discussion. The patterns of your Officer K coat, as far as we can tell, are simply not accurate. Once you finally get around to fixing this, that is to say, provide visual evidence of would-be screen accurate specs along with updated product photos and side-by-side comparison shots with movie and production stills... then, I think updates regarding pricing/production would be welcomed. In other words, deliver on the purported screen accurate coat you say is coming down the pike and the rest will follow.

 

[jholko]

All due respect, I think you're kind of missing the point. Updates regarding your future production/pricing considerations is academic as it relates to this discussion. The patterns of your Officer K coat, as far as we can tell, are simply not accurate. Once you finally get around to fixing this, that is to say, provide visual evidence of would-be screen accurate specs along with updated product photos and side-by-side comparison shots with movie and production stills... then, I think updates regarding pricing/production would be welcomed. In other words, deliver on the purported screen accurate coat you say is coming down the pike and the rest will follow.

Couldn't agree more. After shelling out for the Magnoli and ultimately being disappointed I can tell you Indy Magnoli that I wont buy another one from you unless you clearly document all of the purported improvements that are supposedly coming down the line.

Dont get me wrong, as I said, the construction quality of the Magnoli lacks for nothing. That isn't the issue. The issue is the SR is just a much more accurate fabric and finish for the same sort of money.

I would buy another Magnoli, but ONLY when its properly documented with evidence that its now SA with fabric that matches the SR. Otherwise, not a chance. Im happy to invest in having my SR modified at this point.

I think its important for companies like Magnoli to look at the big picture of people like us. We are willing to spend the money for a SA coat. Heck, I purchased a Magnoli and a SR just to decide for myself which is better. Id buy again from both companies provided they document for everyone their SA revisions. Until that time though.. NO WAY. My modified SR will suit just fine.

 

[Shahrooz]

Couldn't agree more. After shelling out for the Magnoli and ultimately being disappointed I can tell you Indy Magnoli that I wont buy another one from you unless you clearly document all of the purported improvements that are supposedly coming down the line.

Dont get me wrong, as I said, the construction quality of the Magnoli lacks for nothing. That isn't the issue. The issue is the SR is just a much more accurate fabric and finish for the same sort of money.

I would buy another Magnoli, but ONLY when its properly documented with evidence that its now SA with fabric that matches the SR. Otherwise, not a chance. Im happy to invest in having my SR modified at this point.

I think its important for companies like Magnoli to look at the big picture of people like us. We are willing to spend the money for a SA coat. Heck, I purchased a Magnoli and a SR just to decide for myself which is better. Id buy again from both companies provided they document for everyone their SA revisions. Until that time though.. NO WAY. My modified SR will suit just fine.

Agreed. I think at this point, we're going in circles with Magnoli. He is just not going to specify what these purported details and improvements are. My vote is that until he does, we should simply assume the current coat offered by Magnoli is the one reviewed in detail by Mechanismo and jholko along with the numerous enumerated shortcomings and inaccuracies. Anyone reading this thread can make up their own mind whether it is worth to invest in a coat like that. My vote would be to go with WSL until and unless another coatmaker provides the kind of detailed evidence listed in the posts above to prove that there is a new version of the coat available. SImply correcting your original, inaccurate measurements doesn't constitute a 'new' coat nor does it amount to a 'ton of new information'. It simply means you have finally done your homework which you should have probably done a lot sooner - like in the 4 years since the movie's release. Onward and upward. Let's change the subject to something more positive. About to post my first set of pics of my modified SR. Apologies in advance about the quality of the pics but more to come later.

 

[Shahrooz]

Just a few pics of my modified SR coat as promised. Will send better pictures soon, these are just quick pics from this morning.

 

[Shahrooz]

Mechanismo reminded me that it would be better to flip the mirror pics so here you go

 

[Shahrooz]

Guys if you are going to purchase the uniqlo coat - something very important to watch out for. don't make my mistake. special thanks again here to Mechanismo and his sharp eye for catching these issues. The Uniqlo provides great material material but it is double-sided in a lot of parts and using the double-sided parts might make it look nice and bulky but it creates all sorts of tailoring issues. I strongly recommend using the one sided part at least for the lapels. We jare ust now noticing these. It will take awhile to fix this. So stay tuned this coat s going to get improved and look even better fairly soon.

 

[Mechanismo]

Guys if you are going to purchase the uniqlo coat - something very important to watch out for. don't make my mistake. special thanks again here to Mechanismo and his sharp eye for catching these issues. The Uniqlo provides great material material but it is double-sided in a lot of parts and using the double-sided parts might make it look nice and bulky but it creates all sorts of tailoring issues. I strongly recommend using the one sided part at least for the lapels. We jare ust now noticing these. It will take awhile to fix this. So stay tuned this coat s going to get improved and look even better fairly soon.

Just to clarify a little further, upon closer inspection of Shahrooz's alteration, there appears to be some clear warping and striation issues happening along the edges of the lapel. This is probably due to the shearling simply being too bulky (double-sided) to correctly span or adequately tuck in the material under its edge. Furthermore, it's quite clear now that the shearling should be one sided, that is to say, flat on the reverse side so as the lapel is folded over when the coat is fully closed, there's a flat, smooth outward facing immediately under the coat fabric. I hope that makes sense.