Ryan Gosling 'K' - Blade Runner 2049!

Outstanding work all, seriously, it's extremely clear to see all your energy and determination invested in sourcing the correct SA fabric, and I for one will be taking full advantage of the labours of all your hard work. The more desaturated Uniqlo is definitely the winner for me in terms of Screen Accuracy. That said I am really drawn to the Darl Grey version of the same coat. The colour of SR's shearling never really bother me after I'd received it, IMO tonally it does mesh and blend well with the weathered green of the jacket, where the warm's of the shearling and the cools in the coat does provide more contrast. The main issue for me was the style of choice in fabric. So I'm in a bit of a tricky situation here, I guess the only way to really know is to purchase both the beige and grey and make a decision from there. Anyway, this has been such an interesting journey to follow, even if I have only been passively watching from the wings. Fantastic detective work from all involved. Right, lets see who can get this done the quickest. Ready, Steady Go!!!
 
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Outstanding work all, seriously, it's extremely clear to see all your energy and determination invested in sourcing the correct SA fabric, and I for one will be taking full advantage of the labours of all your hard work. The more desaturated Uniqlo is definitely the winner for me in terms of Screen Accuracy. That said I am really drawn to the Darl Grey version of the same coat. The colour of SR's shearling never really bother me after I'd received it, IMO tonally it does mesh and blend well with the weathered green of the jacket, where the warm's of the shearling and the cools in the coat does provide more contrast. The main issue for me was the style of choice in fabric. So I'm in a bit of a tricky situation here, I guess the only way to really know is to purchase both the beige and grey and make a decision from there. Anyway, this has been such an interesting journey to follow, even if I have only been passively watching from the wings. Fantastic detective work from all involved. Right, lets see who can get this done the quickest. Ready, Steady Go!!!
Thanks for all the support, man. If even one other person benefits from our collective efforts, it wasn't all in vain. I hear you. I'd say order both. The return process is SUPER EASY (but does cost 7 bucks - oh well) and it's the only way you'll really know. I do think you will conclude that the grey is just too far off. I don't think it's the same color as the greyish shearling we have on SR. Agree that the color isnt half as bad, even if not SA, but that it is the drape and fabric in general that is borderline awful. Let's get this done, team! I'll keep you posted on the next phase which starts this week.
 
I don't really have anything to contribute to everyone's great work in this thread at the moment!

But reading through the posts, I noticed reference to the "drape" of the shearling. If I am not mistaken, I think this term is called "nap" in the industry. Sometimes that is really helpful for finding certain things - where you need to know a technical term to search for what's needed.

Most faux fur or napped material has a direction to which they fibers lay, so it may effect how it looks and lays.

Running into this a LOT on Deckard's jacket - specifically with how buttons are classified by both size, and shape (in Deckards case, specifically the edges of the buttons)

Might be helpful if it hasnt been discussed!
 
I don't really have anything to contribute to everyone's great work in this thread at the moment!

But reading through the posts, I noticed reference to the "drape" of the shearling. If I am not mistaken, I think this term is called "nap" in the industry. Sometimes that is really helpful for finding certain things - where you need to know a technical term to search for what's needed.

Most faux fur or napped material has a direction to which they fibers lay, so it may effect how it looks and lays.

Running into this a LOT on Deckard's jacket - specifically with how buttons are classified by both size, and shape (in Deckards case, specifically the edges of the buttons)

Might be helpful if it hasnt been discussed!
Many thanks Egon ! That's really helpful.
I remember you correcting my 'shoulder padding' to 'structuring' too. Amateurs haha!
So, updating the glossary, guys:
Drape: napping
Strands: fibers
 
"Jumping in here... Suffice to say it would be fantastic if there were some updated, detailed photos of Magnoli's apparent pattern improvements to review and discuss here. Quite simply there aren't any, not even on their website...

As far as we know, they've shifted the collar to the correct position but we still don't know anything about the (amended?) collar shape/dimensions or if they've fixed the pretty glaring issues with their lapel and shoulder panel design. Then, like every other coat, their shearling is also off.

With SR, we've at least been able to scrutinize the coats pretty closely, address the issues and come up with solutions/alterations albeit involving a local tailor after purchase. Same goes with WSL, incidentally.

So to answer your question, personally, I would need to see these improvements quite clearly before considering any purchase..."


I dunno guys.. Indy from Magnoli stated in black and white in this thread not that many pages ago that they had fixed the shoulders and other issues noted and that they had revised their pattern accordingly. I think they even posted a picture, but would have to go back and check. I wouldn't hang them out to dry because they haven't updated the pics on their website. Id say we need to see one of their latest jackets to make any sort of definitive statement.

The SR jacket looks mostly ok - except the shearling is way off. I haven't seen the jacket in person to comment on the collar when its up. I do have an issue calling it the most SA when we have not seen a current Magnoli.

What I can say is that of the coats used in the actual film they varied. It looks from the promo shots like some of the coats didn't even have shoulder pads for example. The level of distressing on the shearling also varies from scene to scene - so pick your poison on that aspect.

I just think its wise to actually see a current Magnoli coat before statements like 'their coat is way off' are made. To this end...

Anyway, what I decided to do was actually order both. I have placed orders for the SR and for the current Magnoli. I placed the order for the Magnoli a couple of weeks ago and the SR about a week ago. I have been in touch with Indy at Magnoli who tells me I am getting the latest pattern with updates. Once that arrives I am going to do an A/B comparison with photos of the two coats and we will know for sure. The loosing coat I will Christmas gift to a friend. :)
 
"Jumping in here... Suffice to say it would be fantastic if there were some updated, detailed photos of Magnoli's apparent pattern improvements to review and discuss here. Quite simply there aren't any, not even on their website...

As far as we know, they've shifted the collar to the correct position but we still don't know anything about the (amended?) collar shape/dimensions or if they've fixed the pretty glaring issues with their lapel and shoulder panel design. Then, like every other coat, their shearling is also off.

With SR, we've at least been able to scrutinize the coats pretty closely, address the issues and come up with solutions/alterations albeit involving a local tailor after purchase. Same goes with WSL, incidentally.

So to answer your question, personally, I would need to see these improvements quite clearly before considering any purchase..."


I dunno guys.. Indy from Magnoli stated in black and white in this thread not that many pages ago that they had fixed the shoulders and other issues noted and that they had revised their pattern accordingly. I think they even posted a picture, but would have to go back and check. I wouldn't hang them out to dry because they haven't updated the pics on their website. Id say we need to see one of their latest jackets to make any sort of definitive statement.

The SR jacket looks mostly ok - except the shearling is way off. I haven't seen the jacket in person to comment on the collar when its up. I do have an issue calling it the most SA when we have not seen a current Magnoli.

What I can say is that of the coats used in the actual film they varied. It looks from the promo shots like some of the coats didn't even have shoulder pads for example. The level of distressing on the shearling also varies from scene to scene - so pick your poison on that aspect.

I just think its wise to actually see a current Magnoli coat before statements like 'their coat is way off' are made. To this end...

Anyway, what I decided to do was actually order both. I have placed orders for the SR and for the current Magnoli. I placed the order for the Magnoli a couple of weeks ago and the SR about a week ago. I have been in touch with Indy at Magnoli who tells me I am getting the latest pattern with updates. Once that arrives I am going to do an A/B comparison with photos of the two coats and we will know for sure. The loosing coat I will Christmas gift to a friend. :)

But hang on… that exactly what I’m saying. We actually need to see these improvements. You seem to suggest that we simply assume Magnoli has correctly fixed all these issues just because he said so... Surely a more sound approach would be confirming the accuracy these new amendments* before purchase, not the other way around.

It's a little baffling that the website photos of Magnoli’s coat still features the older version... If there's a new and improved, more screen accurate offering (which apparently has been around for a while)… why not showcase that instead?

I expressed to Magnoli on this forum that we would all be thrilled to see what improvements he’s made. But to date, he’s only posted only one photo of the amended collar positioning… (*What's more, that very same photo laid bare their persistent problems with their shoulder panels design) Aside from that, we have no other graphic info or otherwise on the improvements regarding collar shape/dimensions or lapel size. With this in mind, one has to infer that there is little or no interest on Magnoli’s part to share any of this here other than saying “PM for details.”

Let me stress this is nothing personal and, like I’ve expressed before, Magnoli makes some amazing garments. That said, if you’re a vendor purporting to make screen accurate replicas at premium prices, you must also be open to detailed customer scrutiny.

So bottom line, with Magnoli’s coat, I feel like we’re kind of flying blind here in many ways if the goal is to keep knocking these coats into screen accurate shape. Which is a win-win for everyone, including the vendors.
 
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But hang on… that exactly what I’m saying. We actually need to see these improvements. You seem to suggest that we simply assume Magnoli has correctly fixed all these issues just because he said so... Surely a more sound approach would be confirming the accuracy these new amendments* before purchase, not the other way around.

It's a little baffling that the website photos of Magnoli’s coat still features the older version... If there's a new and improved, more screen accurate offering (which apparently has been around for a while)… why not showcase that instead?

I expressed to Magnoli on this forum that we would all be thrilled to see what improvements he’s made. But to date, he’s only posted only one photo of the amended collar positioning… (*What's more, that very same photo laid bare their persistent problems with their shoulder panels design) Aside from that, we have no other graphic info or otherwise on the improvements regarding collar shape/dimensions or lapel size. With this in mind, one has to infer that there is little or no interest on Magnoli’s part to share any of this here other than saying “PM for details.”

Let me stress this is nothing personal and, like I’ve expressed before, Magnoli makes some amazing garments. That said, if you’re a vendor purporting to make screen accurate replicas at premium prices, you must also be open to detailed customer scrutiny.

So bottom line, with Magnoli’s coat, I feel like we’re kind of flying blind here in many ways if the goal is to keep knocking these coats into screen accurate shape. Which is a win-win for everyone, including the vendors.

Honestly, I think you should probably reset your expectations if you think a clothing company should update its website images every time that they made a change to a garment. Realistically, its a handful of us here that need pleasing.. asking any company to update us, hire a new model, organise new expensive photography for their website is a bit of a reach. So I don't find anything baffling about it. Its just not worth it for them to update their site to please a few of us here. And I think Magnoli are the only one of the coat manufactures that actually even posts here at all.. so lets give them some credit at least....

Anyway, we wont be flying blind for long, as I said, I have ordered the Magnoli and Indy tells me my cut has all the latest changes. Once it arrives I am going to A/B it against the SR version (which I have also ordered). Then we will know definitively. Let's wait until then, rather than say one way or other which is the most SA. Doesnt that make sense?
 
Honestly, I think you should probably reset your expectations if you think a clothing company should update its website images every time that they made a change to a garment. Realistically, its a handful of us here that need pleasing.. asking any company to update us, hire a new model, organise new expensive photography for their website is a bit of a reach. So I don't find anything baffling about it. Its just not worth it for them to update their site to please a few of us here. And I think Magnoli are the only one of the coat manufactures that actually even posts here at all.. so lets give them some credit at least....

Anyway, we wont be flying blind for long, as I said, I have ordered the Magnoli and Indy tells me my cut has all the latest changes. Once it arrives I am going to A/B it against the SR version (which I have also ordered). Then we will know definitively. Let's wait until then, rather than say one way or other which is the most SA. Doesnt that make sense?
Magnoli has purported to have amended several aspects of their BR 2049 coat, yet, by all accounts none of us -the handful of us here- or anyone else for that matter, has been able to assess these changes (other than -yes- a more correct collar placing and the persisting inaccurate shoulder panels). Now, if you're satisfied with that, fair enough. It's certainly worth mentioning also that Magnoli posted a plethora of work-in-progress photos on this very forum when they were designing their original coat in late 2017, so it's not unreasonable to expect that he would do the same with these new amendments.
 
Magnoli has purported to have amended several aspects of their BR 2049 coat, yet, by all accounts none of us -the handful of us here- or anyone else for that matter, has been able to assess these changes (other than -yes- a more correct collar placing and the persisting inaccurate shoulder panels). Now, if you're satisfied with that, fair enough. It's certainly worth mentioning also that Magnoli posted a plethora of work-in-progress photos on this very forum when they were designing their original coat in late 2017, so it's not unreasonable to expect that he would do the same with these new amendments. Alas, this is not the case.
Its not a question of being satisifed. Its a question of actually seeing the coat to assess it. You seem to have made up your mind without seeing the latest version. It seems to me that you have already made your decision and don't want to entertain that someone else might actually have something more SA. Have an open mind. If Magnoli have not made the changes then we will know when my coat arrives and Ill post it here for all to see. If they have, then great! If not, then the SR with modded collar and shearling will likely be the one I keep.
 
Great! I mean, I'm looking forward to seeing the amended coat in detail and it's great that you're taking the plunge and willing to share with all of us here. Thanks for that.

The only thing we have to go on at the moment, is this photo. Magnoli claims to have 'tons of measurements from the original coat' yet those shoulder panels are still way off and devoid of structuring. I'm certainly open minded and rooting for them to get it right, but this, for example, still raises some red flags (if we're being sticklers for screen accuracy).

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I am very much looking forward to the arrival of this coat to see as well. And absolutely no problem with sharing photos of it when it arrives. With all the work done on this I feel its important to be up to date on what is close to SA.

Interestingly, I raised the issue of the shoulders being seemingly narrower on the movie coat and showed these images to my tailor. Their comment was it depends on the shoulders of the person wearing it as to how it will sit.... I dunno.. I actually need to see the coat, try it on and see how it sits compared to the original prop image.
 
I'm not sure this current debate here was all that productive as it really just ended up where we were at the onset of it, i.e. we have NO IDEA what the current Magnoli coat looks like and won't be able to assess it until one person is kind enough to post pictures of it. what is also interesting also is that Indy Magnoli seems to watch this thread very carefully, yet has not chimed in ever since Mechanismo politely requested pictures of the alleged improvements. So, we're back to 'we believe it when we see it'.

To assume that the changes were made and we're being distrustful is nonsensical as there is literally not one indicia that that is the case. We hope to see these improvements, of course. That said, the Magnoli has almost zero chance of being more SA than the SR coat. Collar, shearling, shoulder whatever aside... those are all important but the most important aspect here is fabric. And there is nothing on the market that thus far has come close to the SR. There are plenty of SR owners on this page that also own a Zlurpo or Magnoli and almost all of them strongly prefer their SR coat. the SR coat has an acrylic layer on top of the cotton making it as close to the laminated, painted cotton of Rene April's creation. Bottom line is that this is a subjective assessment so basically, to each his/her own. If someone loves Magnoli's version, all power to you.

To be clear, none of the SR fans/owners on here are in any way associated with Soul Revolver, as far as I know - quite the contrary, we're all very frustrated with them. I had over 100 emails exchanged with SR prior to my purchase. What we do know and respect, however, is that SR is transparent in their product and their service. They say "no" too many times, but at least you know what you get. My complaint with Magnoli is that it is essentially a waxed cotton replica, more or less, that costs more than twice as much as the WSL coat, using the same material, with more inaccuracies and errors than a custom made WSL (which still costs less than half the Magnoli). Plus, while very slow and frustrating, WSL is completely open to specification and alterations which Mechanismo initiated and many of us followed suit, including me. I get my WSL coat back this week with replaced shearling and a few added magnets and that's it. The rest is almost 100% SA and that's because of Mechanismo 's tireless and detailed efforts in providing us all with a blueprint on the corrections needed for the WSL. Once I wax it, it will be done. Still a lot cheaper than the Magnoli with the wrong shearling and wrong dimensions, some of which cannot be fixed (like the size of the lapel which is way too small). Now if Magnoli can produce a coat that is as SA as the customized WSL (and maybe even source decent shearling with the right napping - thanks Egon) or even better, I think it would become a contender. Until then, IMHO, the SR and the customized WSL are the best choices out there. A lot of what this is meant to accomplish is to save newcomers to this thread and others who stumble upon it trying to find a decent replica coat a roadmap that many of us didnt have. I contacted dozens of WSL, Magnoli, Zlurpo and SR owners and some of them were very helpful while others didnt respond. In the end, we would love for people to know what they are getting into prior to their purchase without having to spend endless hours the way many of us did. Cheers
 
I'm not sure this current debate here was all that productive as it really just ended up where we were at the onset of it, i.e. we have NO IDEA what the current Magnoli coat looks like and won't be able to assess it until one person is kind enough to post pictures of it. what is also interesting also is that Indy Magnoli seems to watch this thread very carefully, yet has not chimed in ever since Mechanismo politely requested pictures of the alleged improvements. So, we're back to 'we believe it when we see it'.

To assume that the changes were made and we're being distrustful is nonsensical as there is literally not one indicia that that is the case. We hope to see these improvements, of course. That said, the Magnoli has almost zero chance of being more SA than the SR coat. Collar, shearling, shoulder whatever aside... those are all important but the most important aspect here is fabric. And there is nothing on the market that thus far has come close to the SR. There are plenty of SR owners on this page that also own a Zlurpo or Magnoli and almost all of them strongly prefer their SR coat. the SR coat has an acrylic layer on top of the cotton making it as close to the laminated, painted cotton of Rene April's creation. Bottom line is that this is a subjective assessment so basically, to each his/her own. If someone loves Magnoli's version, all power to you.

To be clear, none of the SR fans/owners on here are in any way associated with Soul Revolver, as far as I know - quite the contrary, we're all very frustrated with them. I had over 100 emails exchanged with SR prior to my purchase. What we do know and respect, however, is that SR is transparent in their product and their service. They say "no" too many times, but at least you know what you get. My complaint with Magnoli is that it is essentially a waxed cotton replica, more or less, that costs more than twice as much as the WSL coat, using the same material, with more inaccuracies and errors than a custom made WSL (which still costs less than half the Magnoli). Plus, while very slow and frustrating, WSL is completely open to specification and alterations which Mechanismo initiated and many of us followed suit, including me. I get my WSL coat back this week with replaced shearling and a few added magnets and that's it. The rest is almost 100% SA and that's because of Mechanismo 's tireless and detailed efforts in providing us all with a blueprint on the corrections needed for the WSL. Once I wax it, it will be done. Still a lot cheaper than the Magnoli with the wrong shearling and wrong dimensions, some of which cannot be fixed (like the size of the lapel which is way too small). Now if Magnoli can produce a coat that is as SA as the customized WSL (and maybe even source decent shearling with the right napping - thanks Egon) or even better, I think it would become a contender. Until then, IMHO, the SR and the customized WSL are the best choices out there. A lot of what this is meant to accomplish is to save newcomers to this thread and others who stumble upon it trying to find a decent replica coat a roadmap that many of us didnt have. I contacted dozens of WSL, Magnoli, Zlurpo and SR owners and some of them were very helpful while others didnt respond. In the end, we would love for people to know what they are getting into prior to their purchase without having to spend endless hours the way many of us did. Cheers
also, as for the "Magnoli has no time to post pictures" - that's not accurate at all. I had a side discussion with them months ago about a Blade Runner coat that was on sale when I was still searching and they happily sent me numerous pics. So now it is so difficult for them to take one of these allegedly improved coats, put it on a hanger, and just post a pic on here? I disagree. My sense is that the changes are possibly not as significant as initially claimed but I hope I am wrong.
 
That said, the Magnoli has almost zero chance of being more SA than the SR coat. Collar, shearling, shoulder whatever aside... those are all important but the most important aspect here is fabric. And there is nothing on the market that thus far has come close to the SR. There are plenty of SR owners on this page that also own a Zlurpo or Magnoli and almost all of them strongly prefer their SR coat. the SR coat has an acrylic layer on top of the cotton making it as close to the laminated, painted cotton of Rene April's creation. Bottom line is that this is a subjective assessment so basically, to each his/her own. If someone loves Magnoli's version, all power to you.
Having had both a SR and the Magnoli, The SR fabric is so fantastic. I think for a production coat -other than a one off- its the closest anyone will get to being able to produce the look and feel of the green portion(non shearling) of the movie coat. Its hard to describe, to me it has a leather feel and look but its washed/aged cotton coated with pc acrylic. Shahrooz how long did it take to get to 100 emails with SR? that's impressive.

I had a Magnoli also and while the old pattern had the identified issues with screen accuracy the magnets were spot on. They held the coat closed properly and the collar where it was supposed to be, that part was great.
 
Having had both a SR and the Magnoli, The SR fabric is so fantastic. I think for a production coat -other than a one off- its the closest anyone will get to being able to produce the look and feel of the green portion(non shearling) of the movie coat. Its hard to describe, to me it has a leather feel and look but its washed/aged cotton coated with pc acrylic. Shahrooz how long did it take to get to 100 emails with SR? that's impressive.

I had a Magnoli also and while the old pattern had the identified issues with screen accuracy the magnets were spot on. They held the coat closed properly and the collar where it was supposed to be, that part was great.
Hi bud

It was actually 85 emails lol i just checked. And it covered a period of three months from May to August of this year. Lots of questions, requests (almost all of which were denied) and other issues, including sizing. I will say that SeAnn is super patient and friendly and tries to help within the narrow parameters that they have given her.
Agree with everything else you said about the SR. Not sure how durable it will turn out to be - you can't rewax it obviously - but the acrylic should protect the cotton for quite a while, I'd think.
 
Honestly, im excited to take delivery of both the Magnoli and the SR coat. Im Overseas for work for a few more weeks, but i hope they are waiting for me when I get home….
 
Honestly, im excited to take delivery of both the Magnoli and the SR coat. Im Overseas for work for a few more weeks, but i hope they are waiting for me when I get home….
And we're excited for you! And also are hoping to finally get some pictures of the revised Magnoli!
 
Im actually having second thoughts on the SR coat that maybe I should ordered the XXL instead of XL... Im kind of right in the middle (closer to XL), but bit worried.. would you guys say the SR runs smaller or larger for its size?
 
Hi everyone, Shahrooz asked me specifically about custom-collar WSL’s color after re-waxing so I thought I’d share here. So, first off, like I say, this is the coat’s second waxing, which I applied this past August (the first coating was a year earlier). I’ve had a chance to ‘break in’ the new coating for a couple of weeks now, so I thought I’d share some photos.

So, the coat is heavier (another entire can of Barbour’s worth), darker now, more sheen and molds nicely around the arms and shoulders with lots of drape and creases. Crucially, it looks and feels like leather (most people think it is, actually).

Color: here are a few pictures with three light sources. As you can see, a bit like the movie coat, the color varies quite a bit!

In sum, there’s a night-and-day difference between a waxed and unwaxed coat. This second coating, a year later, was also crucial in adding even more character and grit. Granted, the waxing process is a bit of a pain, but very much worth the effort. Pretty happy with the results!

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