Ryan Gosling 'K' - Blade Runner 2049!

How much did the Liquitex stiffen the fabric as opposed to Otter Wax? I know it'll get stiffer either way, I like the idea of the varnish because it seems closer to what they probably did on the actual prop than a more rustic method like natural wax but I'm worried the varnish will be too stiff. I've been researching it more but can't find very much about using it on clothing.
I have the impression that SR used a method similar to liquitex or kinda acrylic wax, simply coating it over a color that was already stabilized and lighter than what they wanted as the final result.
I don't actually see all this great stiffening of the fabrics if you use specific products for fabrics (like liquitex or acrylic dyes for fabrics specifically diluted and perhaps sprayed with an airbrush, as I recently did to recolor some duck canvas espadrilles and also when I created that bag that matched the coat some time ago), I faced the problem when I worked on my BEP but I think it was emphasized by the inadequacy for the work that I described regarding the specific type of particular fabric it has, which is robust for weave and coating, but in reality not so much and the elastic nature, for certain jobs makes everything considerably worse.

On the Otter wax, no, I would say that rather than talking about stiffening (that is achieved by overdoing it with waxes like Greenland bars), I would say oversaturation of the fabric, it becomes more robust because it is "fuller" and a bit rubbery, it becomes more similar to leather, but I don't think I have to say that this wax induces real stiffness, but rather if the floating compared to when the fabric is not coated is limited, it is due to the greater consistency and weight. There is certainly no ideal compromise between having what Adam and the other guy described when examining the coat (therefore ruling that it is "lightweight") and a real winter coat, that is a movie and he is a character identified as a superhuman who resists practically everything, so surely waxing with Otter as it should be, does a service for the real possibility of using a well-structured coat in real life (in winter), on the liquitex you get less coverage than with wax for the elements (so I think similar to the original SR, which if we are honest, we who have it know that it arrives like this, although as a fabric it is certainly solid and consistent and the lining is adequate), then you could adjust increasing the quilting, but that risks messing up the size aspect and also the fit compared to the movie (when on the bep there was a moment that I had added too much padding, it was puffy that it almost seemed like a down jacket effect, and to follow the style of how the coat was supposed to be, it began to brutally lose the sense of the question)
 
warm weather is coming, the coats have been out of use for a while now, but before putting them in the closet, the last touch-up I predicted has arrived: now both coats have real shearling, properly distressed without any excess of dirty look or quality loss.

Ammonia-based hair dye to give the fur a bit more of a SA tone: this is possible because it is real shearling indeed, since synthetic furs would not react to it in any way.
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On my BEP the fur has turned out a bit too brownish-caramel color (it was my mistake to exceed in oxigen and treatment time before washing the hair dye away), but I like it anyway as a nice alternative to my SR classic.

The last synthetic fur I put that was the best of the many tried, in the end showed signs of felting too after using the coats daily, so I have to say that these synthetic furs have bored me a lot, I understood well why some sellers chose real shearlings, it is really another consistency even if in some parts it can in turn crush, there is no comparison and finally the conditions are laid to avoid all these changes of fur and always have a decent appearance and not as you came out from a futuristic brawl.

As you can see, the fleeces of the SR fur (which we have defined in the past as "similar to a carpet" but I had reconsidered positively over time) can be straightened a bit making them more SA, instead of removing its original again (which in any case, is of very high quality and thickness, excellent for winter), I simply treated that too but with a cold hair smoothing cream (no rinse needed type) after having done the same dye (kept for a shorter time and with less oxidizing emulsion, so as not to overdo it with a brownish tone like on my BEP on the SR too), the knots unravel a bit and it becomes quite another thing, perhaps the owners of SR and other replicas with real fur, will be able to think about it, these are all things that would be impossible on a synthetic fur, you would be left with a type of fleece not absorbing the chemicals properly or even without any result.

Satisfied. I hope this time definitively, time will confirm it, and not before next winter.

Bye everyone!
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Hi everyone,

I have both Bladerunner jackets from SoulRevolver and pretty happy with them. I enhanced the long version with buttons, but thinking to change it to magnets.

Anyway, I was watching interview with the creators of "Kenshi" game and saw that one of the makers, Chris Hunt, wears looks-like SoulRevolver short version of BladeRunner jacket, with removed buttons.

Am I correct considering this jacket as a SoulRevolver version? Fill video you could find on Youtube with title "Kenshi - Meet the Makers ". I don't want to paste any links due it is my first post here.
 

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Hi everyone,

I have both Bladerunner jackets from SoulRevolver and pretty happy with them. I enhanced the long version with buttons, but thinking to change it to magnets.

Anyway, I was watching interview with the creators of "Kenshi" game and saw that one of the makers, Chris Hunt, wears looks-like SoulRevolver short version of BladeRunner jacket, with removed buttons.

Am I correct considering this jacket as a SoulRevolver version? Fill video you could find on Youtube with title "Kenshi - Meet the Makers ". I don't want to paste any links due it is my first post here.
That is a SR . Looks like he removed the snap buttons and replaced them with magnets.
 
Hello to all K coat professionals

I posted a presentation message around the end of 2023 when I received my WSL coat.
I realized there were a few modifications needed to make it more SA.

I've only made one so far, namely to the coat closure. The "female" magnet in the middle didn't fit properly.
I had to have it repositioned once by a tailor, and a second time by myself because I realized the first position wasn't right (too tight), as shown in the photo.

I'd now like to focus on repositioning the collar, of course, because it sticks out too much on the right side (the short side). I'm not telling you anything new.

I think it's enough to unpick it and simply move it a certain number of centimeters, but by how much? I was thinking 5 or 6 cm, maybe more?
I'm in the dark, I don't really know how to position it.
In relation to the epaulette or my chin ??

I'd like some opinions.

I'd like to make other modifications, particularly add wax and add subtle lettering behind it, but I'll elaborate on that later...

I should point out that, well, I think this will shock more than one person, haha. The fur isn't faithful to the film, but I'm happy with it.
Several people have told me they liked it...
They haven't seen the film, of course
 

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Hello to all K coat professionals

I posted a presentation message around the end of 2023 when I received my WSL coat.
I realized there were a few modifications needed to make it more SA.

I've only made one so far, namely to the coat closure. The "female" magnet in the middle didn't fit properly.
I had to have it repositioned once by a tailor, and a second time by myself because I realized the first position wasn't right (too tight), as shown in the photo.

I'd now like to focus on repositioning the collar, of course, because it sticks out too much on the right side (the short side). I'm not telling you anything new.

I think it's enough to unpick it and simply move it a certain number of centimeters, but by how much? I was thinking 5 or 6 cm, maybe more?
I'm in the dark, I don't really know how to position it.
In relation to the epaulette or my chin ??

I'd like some opinions.

I'd like to make other modifications, particularly add wax and add subtle lettering behind it, but I'll elaborate on that later...

I should point out that, well, I think this will shock more than one person, haha. The fur isn't faithful to the film, but I'm happy with it.
Several people have told me they liked it...
They haven't seen the film, of course
you remember about me, I'm not a pro, but...just my two pennies:

- fur is not SA but I think it looks nice even if it's wolfish, I tried many synthetic SA furs but everyone of them aged badly sooner or later, so I ended up using a second-hand clear-toned real shearling, dyed it with a mix of IPA diluted method (for a bit of green and grey) and hair dyes (and yes, it holds because it's real fur, the synthetic one wouldn't react to those dyes, it's not the movie method, but I love it and it's durable and fresh, cool looking, the cost is very cheap since you can find decent real shearling coats tracking in flea markets easily)

- moving the collar needs a bit of expertise in tailoring and a decent sewing machine (not pro level, but I have some, so I can say I did it), or you risk to mess up with the garment or lower the quality; you need to frame your measurements properly (face-nose, closure), I find the right fit by moving the collar (it was stricly needed to correct a bit the pattern of my SR, on my BEP the collar was tight anyway, but the pattern was already nice) and I cut a bit the longer side letting the upper length as it was, and the making the side facing the left lapel about the same length (so making the collar more of a trapezoid than a rectangular piece), I wouldn't move it just to the very edge of the shoulder junction on the short (right) side, I simply consider to keep it working it for a decent closure first (such a move could compromise it if the size wont' fit you properly any more), my coats have that attachment a bit more than a inch towards the chest, but it's enough for me to have an effect I consider suitable for the project and closing properly on me at same time, but I considered it carefully before and also had a bit of luck in my work

- I tried many coating methods, the best are Otter wax (expensive, it needs dressing and also bars after the curing time, but the final result wins if compared to others I tried) and if you wanna take some risks in order to try obtaining kinda SR coating, liquitex textile medium is probably the best, but acrylic coatings like this should need pro expertise, I will try more in the future because the results I saw on non-elastic and uncoated clothes were encouraging, but it wasn't something to try on my BEP (already PU coated) neither on my SR (their coated cloth is one of the main reasons people -like also me- chose it)

- I don't have the faintest idea about how to properly add lettering on the back, this is something I really liked on my SR how they made it, but I won't get myself into anything of the sort if a succesful pro (like the one who did it for SR) wouldn't teach me that in exactly the same way

- shoe lace piping I did on the edges I piped, it's not the same great effect of Jameel's foam method, but it's doable by yourself or by a tailor without opening every seamline, if paying the attention due, and give a great look anyway and more postured fit

Finally, I can suggest to add magnets and buckram also for the collar and lapels not only for the closure but also for better holding the open positions, I added them without visibe stitching, I incapsulated them into fabric and then stitched them using the edges and the back of the fur and/or buckram, I didn't understand if the magnets on the movie coat have stitching visible from outside or not, but the method I used I proved myself stable and effective, I believe it's more stilish and minimalist, and it withstood also some of my hiking adventures
 
Thank you Countlau, for all these details
Your coats are superb, and you did a great job on them.

I should point out that I ordered my WSL custom-made and I'm happy with the fit in every way, so if anyone is unsure, go for the "custom-made" option; you won't be disappointed.

As for the collar modification, I plan to have it done by a tailor, of course.

As I said, I think all I have to do is unpick the collar seam, shift it, and resew it (seam in the photo), or so I think...

As for the lettering on the back, I didn't choose the WSL option because I was afraid it would be too visible and poorly done.
I think I just need to find a garment screen printer, and they should be able to do it.
You have to do something barely visible, like in the photos.

I have the impression that this topic of added letters has never been addressed here. I don't think anyone has ventured into this operation... I find that the letters add authenticity and originality to the coat
 

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Thank you Countlau, for all these details
Your coats are superb, and you did a great job on them.

I should point out that I ordered my WSL custom-made and I'm happy with the fit in every way, so if anyone is unsure, go for the "custom-made" option; you won't be disappointed.

As for the collar modification, I plan to have it done by a tailor, of course.

As I said, I think all I have to do is unpick the collar seam, shift it, and resew it (seam in the photo), or so I think...

As for the lettering on the back, I didn't choose the WSL option because I was afraid it would be too visible and poorly done.
I think I just need to find a garment screen printer, and they should be able to do it.
You have to do something barely visible, like in the photos.

I have the impression that this topic of added letters has never been addressed here. I don't think anyone has ventured into this operation... I find that the letters add authenticity and originality to the coat
actually, in the past I remember about some previous posts of someone many years ago tried some DYI methods for the lettering, I figured some posts also about repainting coats have been deleted, maybe it worked but I'd be afraid of such maneuver without having a proper expertise. anyway, it's pretty obvious that any coating you will apply, it should be done after that parts have already been (possibly) printed and completely cured/stabilized.

Having a tailor if you can't move and reshape the collar by urself, yes. But be sure to have one abe to listen to customer and follow the precise measurements without risking to mess with the closure after (so for instance detach the collar, take all the time before any cut to try it in the aimed final position, then go for any light fixing about the pattern if needed)
 
- I tried many coating methods, the best are Otter wax (expensive, it needs dressing and also bars after the curing time, but the final result wins if compared to others I tried) and if you wanna take some risks in order to try obtaining kinda SR coating, liquitex textile medium is probably the best, but acrylic coatings like this should need pro expertise, I will try more in the future because the results I saw on non-elastic and uncoated clothes were encouraging, but it wasn't something to try on my BEP (already PU coated) neither on my SR (their coated cloth is one of the main reasons people -like also me- chose it)
Does pure textile medium on its own produce a sheen? I thought it was just meant for mixing with paint.

I still keep going back and forth on Otter Wax vs. Liquitex (the Liquitex spray varnish is especially tempting because it would be easier to apply, but it's also the most expensive), but I've been doing more research and I'm also considering Angelus Satin Acrylic Finisher. It's meant for leather, but so are their paints and people use those on fabric too, and I asked their rep on Instagram about it and they seemed to think it should work.
 
Does pure textile medium on its own produce a sheen? I thought it was just meant for mixing with paint.

I still keep going back and forth on Otter Wax vs. Liquitex (the Liquitex spray varnish is especially tempting because it would be easier to apply, but it's also the most expensive), but I've been doing more research and I'm also considering Angelus Satin Acrylic Finisher. It's meant for leather, but so are their paints and people use those on fabric too, and I asked their rep on Instagram about it and they seemed to think it should work.
I always told I'm not a pro (especially, I had some amateur experiences in painting/coating, but nothing that serious), but I think I can say I learnt sumthin' from all this stuff about the k coat...I can just recall what about my mad experiments (sumtimes lucky and successful, some others quite a disaster:

My self made coat:
- tried poor quality waxes = crappy result, little to no shine at all added, some more posture and sturdiness, but it doesn't worth to dirt off your garment losing also other properties of the cotton (ex. breathability, confort smoothness, easy washable etc) to rely on ****** coating
- used cleopatre texti plast = too smeely, closer to the movie effect but too plastic-like, too shine, too much stiffness added even if washable (30°C max)...fired. that stuff imho is just suitable to makre work aprons. I kept it, but then I transformed it in various other spare parts (no more my size, I told my story after covid and so on)

My BEP:
- the PU was nice, but after a while I was strongly willing to change the color and to reduce the plastic effect (I started considering it too shiny and artifact for my taste), so coated with spray paints, dunno if they're the same of the one you noticed, I listed'em, talkin' bout Marabu textile (very little change since it's too lightweight and almost totally absorbed by the fabric without letting the proper coating) and Tejido (this worked nicely after diluted a bit with IPA, hard and risky work after a little lite sanding of the original coating, brushing a bit with sponges for painting spreading it patiently and without exceeding), the result looked great, but it wasn't that stable if washed, you can fix it with heat gun low temp, I should've stopper there anyway, since the next tries gave my BEP the terrific color I had, but also lowering the quality with too much distressing and some damages)
- bought two types of acrylic medium (liquitex textile and carbusonic), carbusonic was nice but too smelly and not shining enough (tried before on other clothes, but this didn't save me from the disaster), liquitex (tried on the PU coated BEP cotton twill, small inner parts trying not to risk visible damages) was washable, not too stiff, and what I consider the closest to a SR effect, but this on a duck canvas cloth I had, since the result try I did on the BEP wasn't clear (the PU coating shouldn't have been treated in such ways more, for sure, and that's a gamble I've done), so I mixed it with acrylic paints I bought and tried before, mixing them to obtain the color I was looking for, but the disaster came out the day after with a too rigid coating that cracked after the very first curing time, probably because the acrylic dyes (or some of them, even if mixed with the liquitex medium) weren't flexible enough to hold to project, so I recovered it somehow (not without the original freshness, as it's notorious), the original coating was reduced to minimum, so I redyed it with classic powders mix method (easy to use) in the washer, and finally did the wax coatings I did

The try with pure liquitex medium on the cloth, wasn't stiff and so was nice to me.
If I could turn back the time, since BEP laminated (today no more available from a while) wasn't the cloth for that process, I would have stopped after lite sanding and the tejido spray dyes coating I did, it was not the tone I have today (which I prefer), but it was the peak I reached for my BEP, probably I just would've ended up with using real shearling, since I'm ready to bet, not even the original movie one can handle the test of time after a season costantly using the coat without dramatically losing overall quality (not only the matting on the neck), real shearling (of a kind with proper fleeces) can give some great SA effect without having this in the end.
If I'd bought a WSL (instead of my BEP or of my SR), I would have tried on inner parts pure liquitex textile without spending time and money with other plastic coatings (but this certainly does not mean that what you might try, perhaps does not bring an even better result, and in any case I understand that each tissue can react differently to a given treatment).
As I wrote, I also tried (for other garments and project I did and shared too, and on my BEP before doing the last crucial waxing on it) the other waxes (Barbour dressing, Greenland bars), but eventually, Otter wax (dressing first and then bars) wins the comparison on all fronts (I just added a lite Greenland bars hand which speeded up a bit the curing time, but I also added it to the SR coating, since I wanna it more protective against elements and even more durable, it worked nicely and now all those coatings are fixed and stable from a while, without having to plan about redoing it except in the future something will lead me to adjust some parts).

So, I don't think to be able to give a final suggestion, it depends on the personal perception of how you want your coat to weight, shine etc, and I don't own WSL and a uncoated Magnoli, as well as other canvas, to have the full comparison, but I think using liquitex medium is a sort of move without having the chance to turn back (as well as waxing it with the typical waxes like Barbour and Otter), and considering Otter the best effect I've seen and the safest, without more knowledge and expertise, at today I'd say Otter hands down, even if it should be clear from Adam S. vid with the guy, that isn't the coating they used.

if it were confirmed that they used the airbrush with paint (and that they did it because as I read somewhere, they had sent it to be waterproofed but it was no longer the color they wanted), it may be that, excluding classic waxes, they did a job like SR, which unlike wax, being acrylic could hold further painting on top (which perhaps they did with airbrush ink, or with suitable acrylic mixed with a medium of the case), but it is just fantasizing, because if someone from the film does not come out and does not explain it to us properly, these can only be reasonable conjectures, but not certainties or guarantees of obtaining a good result by looking for the fabrics yourself and making do with everything
 
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I always told I'm not a pro (especially, I had some amateur experiences in painting/coating, but nothing that serious), but I think I can say I learnt sumthin' from all this stuff about the k coat...I can just recall what about my mad experiments (sumtimes lucky and successful, some others quite a disaster:

My self made coat:
- tried poor quality waxes = crappy result, little to no shine at all added, some more posture and sturdiness, but it doesn't worth to dirt off your garment losing also other properties of the cotton (ex. breathability, confort smoothness, easy washable etc) to rely on ****** coating
- used cleopatre texti plast = too smeely, closer to the movie effect but too plastic-like, too shine, too much stiffness added even if washable (30°C max)...fired. that stuff imho is just suitable to makre work aprons. I kept it, but then I transformed it in various other spare parts (no more my size, I told my story after covid and so on)

My BEP:
- the PU was nice, but after a while I was strongly willing to change the color and to reduce the plastic effect (I started considering it too shiny and artifact for my taste), so coated with spray paints, dunno if they're the same of the one you noticed, I listed'em, talkin' bout Marabu textile (very little change since it's too lightweight and almost totally absorbed by the fabric without letting the proper coating) and Tejido (this worked nicely after diluted a bit with IPA, hard and risky work after a little lite sanding of the original coating, brushing a bit with sponges for painting spreading it patiently and without exceeding), the result looked great, but it wasn't that stable if washed, you can fix it with heat gun low temp, I should've stopper there anyway, since the next tries gave my BEP the terrific color I had, but also lowering the quality with too much distressing and some damages)
- bought two types of acrylic medium (liquitex textile and carbusonic), carbusonic was nice but too smelly and not shining enough (tried before on other clothes, but this didn't save me from the disaster), liquitex (tried on the PU coated BEP cotton twill, small inner parts trying not to risk visible damages) was washable, not too stiff, and what I consider the closest to a SR effect, but this on a duck canvas cloth I had, since the result try I did on the BEP wasn't clear (the PU coating shouldn't have been treated in such ways more, for sure, and that's a gamble I've done), so I mixed it with acrylic paints I bought and tried before, mixing them to obtain the color I was looking for, but the disaster came out the day after with a too rigid coating that cracked after the very first curing time, probably because the acrylic dyes (or some of them, even if mixed with the liquitex medium) weren't flexible enough to hold to project, so I recovered it somehow (not without the original freshness, as it's notorious), the original coating was reduced to minimum, so I redyed it with classic powders mix method (easy to use) in the washer, and finally did the wax coatings I did

The try with pure liquitex medium on the cloth, wasn't stiff and so was nice to me.
If I could turn back the time, since BEP laminated (today no more available from a while) wasn't the cloth for that process, I would have stopped after lite sanding and the tejido spray dyes coating I did, it was not the tone I have today (which I prefer), but it was the peak I reached for my BEP, probably I just would've ended up with using real shearling, since I'm ready to bet, not even the original movie one can handle the test of time after a season costantly using the coat without dramatically losing overall quality (not only the matting on the neck), real shearling (of a kind with proper fleeces) can give some great SA effect without having this in the end.
If I'd bought a WSL (instead of my BEP or of my SR), I would have tried on inner parts pure liquitex textile without spending time and money with other plastic coatings (but this certainly does not mean that what you might try, perhaps does not bring an even better result, and in any case I understand that each tissue can react differently to a given treatment).
As I wrote, I also tried (for other garments and project I did and shared too, and on my BEP before doing the last crucial waxing on it) the other waxes (Barbour dressing, Greenland bars), but eventually, Otter wax (dressing first and then bars) wins the comparison on all fronts (I just added a lite Greenland bars hand which speeded up a bit the curing time, but I also added it to the SR coating, since I wanna it more protective against elements and even more durable, it worked nicely and now all those coatings are fixed and stable from a while, without having to plan about redoing it except in the future something will lead me to adjust some parts).

So, I don't think to be able to give a final suggestion, it depends on the personal perception of how you want your coat to weight, shine etc, and I don't own WSL and a uncoated Magnoli, as well as other canvas, to have the full comparison, but I think using liquitex medium is a sort of move without having the chance to turn back (as well as waxing it with the typical waxes like Barbour and Otter), and considering Otter the best effect I've seen and the safest, without more knowledge and expertise, at today I'd say Otter hands down, even if it should be clear from Adam S. vid with the guy, that isn't the coating they used.

if it were confirmed that they used the airbrush with paint (and that they did it because as I read somewhere, they had sent it to be waterproofed but it was no longer the color they wanted), it may be that, excluding classic waxes, they did a job like SR, which unlike wax, being acrylic could hold further painting on top (which perhaps they did with airbrush ink, or with suitable acrylic mixed with a medium of the case), but it is just fantasizing, because if someone from the film does not come out and does not explain it to us properly, these can only be reasonable conjectures, but not certainties or guarantees of obtaining a good result by looking for the fabrics yourself and making do with everything
I just want to get mine as close to the SR finish as I can while keeping it as soft and pliable as possible. The Liquitex fabric medium (to clarify, you mean this product?) was shiny enough on its own to give the coat a sheen? That might be the best option if so, since it's specifically meant to be soft and flexible. I don't mind if the coating makes my fabric a little stiffer, but I don't want to feel like I'm wearing a coat made of cardboard.

This is the Angelus finisher I'm also thinking of trying. I think I'd get the 'normal' or No. 600 finish if I go that route, I'm worried the Satin might not be enough to make a more uneven surface like canvas shiny since it's meant for smooth leather but the High Gloss would probably be too much.
 
I just want to get mine as close to the SR finish as I can while keeping it as soft and pliable as possible. The Liquitex fabric medium (to clarify, you mean this product?) was shiny enough on its own to give the coat a sheen? That might be the best option if so, since it's specifically meant to be soft and flexible. I don't mind if the coating makes my fabric a little stiffer, but I don't want to feel like I'm wearing a coat made of cardboard.

This is the Angelus finisher I'm also thinking of trying. I think I'd get the 'normal' or No. 600 finish if I go that route, I'm worried the Satin might not be enough to make a more uneven surface like canvas shiny since it's meant for smooth leather but the High Gloss would probably be too much.
yes that liquitex is exactly the one I used and also posted here, and yes, it is the one that made both the mess mixed with acrylic paint (which I certainly selected with evident incompetence both in the choice and in the use, although some tests on uncoated canvas and on hidden parts of the pu coatex coat, had encouraged me to do it), and the one whose result I appreciated and which I still use today (my xenomorph style bag, made with cotton duck canvas and leather inserts, appropriately painted and then covered with the medium that I had left), but as I said, I don't feel like giving advice on how to act at fault for sure, simply because I don't think it's possible: a canvas (like a wsl or like the one you are about to use) could behave differently from what I saw, and regarding Angelus products, I don't know them.

If I were you, if I really wanted to give it a try, I would try the appropriate products on a suitably large sample of canvas, but in that case you have to take into account that you will lose money if the result is not the one you wanted... only the person who made the coat in the film could tell us the method for sure and only if they would also allow us to buy the same products and fabrics they used, I would say absolutely.

I certainly wouldn't say that using that liquitex on an uncoated canvas would normally make it look like cardboard, in fact I am still satisfied with the flexibility of the cotton with which I covered that bag with stylised plates, and it is also one of the strong points that are emphasised as the product's slogan, but mine is just a testament, we should all sit at the same work table in person to have the absolute perception of the guaranteed result.

On the subject of "satin", "high gloss" and any options for greater or lesser shine, frankly I perceive a very limited shine in the film coat, and the one given by the Otter wax by setting it in the initial salience with its dressing (which is in fact identified as "matte finish"), I find it suitable for the project, but I understand that in some scenes it seems brighter and maybe you might like it more like that, but I fear that with acrylic products, if you don't find the right one and you don't know how to use it in the right way on the right canvas and with the right quantity, you really risk an excess of shine, certainly more than with classic waxes.
I can say with reasonable certainty that the result I liked with Liquitex on the uncoated canvas, I got it by moderating the quantity and making a good effort to spread it evenly on the fabric I wanted to cover (of which I had already touched up the color, without the medium being mixed with it, so yes, using it as a coating even though it is proposed as a thinner for colors, and going back in the forum, moreover after I had already done it, I noticed that others had thought about using it pure in their turn, I don't remember the page of the thread, certainly a long way back but I think it's still on the thread).

So really, I don't want to risk giving bad advice, but certainly falling back on Otter is not a bad choice, imo from a visual pov, it gives a certain guarantee that you can't have in other ways if not with proven knowledge and ability to use it (which I certainly don't claim to have yet), then maybe the Angelus products as well as the Liquitex spray varnish would give excellent results, who knows, but I really don't know.
What I also know is that a month ago I badly soiled my SR while riding an e-bike on a rough dirt and rainy area.
I had to wash it properly, which is heavily over-waxed with Otter etc.
The result: I didn't have to touch up the wax at all, I used a shower in the tub completely soaked and liquid soap for delicates, it came out absolutely perfect and clean without streaks on the wax or other damage, so as I had already understood, just don't overdo it and don't exceed 30°C without scraping too hard and using soaps that are too aggressive, and a classic wax on an Otter base that is already well stabilized with the needed curing and done radically well as I did, has no problems holding up to certain washes, exactly as a Liquitex medium coating shouldn't have.

That said, the SR fabric, is the SR fabric... yes, I can say that the uncoated canvas that I treated in pure liquitex seems SR, but this is no guarantee that another canvas will do the same, and I would say that if I exceeded even a little more with the quantity of product, there was a risk of excess shine (which in fact SR does not have).

The only thing that, always with the benefit of the doubt that on other canvases it may work better, but I want to confirm from my experiences absolutely out of place, is the use of vinyl plasticizers such as cleopatre or odicoat, which are practically the same thing: imho, with those you do risk having an unpleasant finish.

surely if I were to make another coat in a new uncoated canvas, I would risk losing the money to buy more liquitex go for it with the new cloth, first making a good attempt on normal fabric, and then probably if it didn't work, I would try other similar ways (like the neutral "acrylic wax", which here in my area they also sell in the shop), but at the moment I'm not trying yet, I've already spent a lot of time, money and energy, and I have two coats that already satisfy me fully, one of which being an SR, could hardly not do it from that aspect.
Surely those cans of liquitex, for what I wrote that it makes a thin layer if it ever worked on any canvas of the case and certainly not to be exceeded, but just one can won't be enough for a coat like that (it will take almost two for sure, if then it is understood that for the chosen canvas, that is the right way).
At least the cost of buying it here, I think is about half of what is needed for Otter, although I now have a considerable supply of Otter, but only because I found a flash offer some time ago for a huge tin (the largest available) and some large bars, but normally Otter wax here costs a lot, certainly in the States it is easier to get a price in line with a Liquitex medium, since that wax is produced in Oregon
 
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yes that liquitex is exactly the one I used and also posted here, and yes, it is the one that made both the mess mixed with acrylic paint (which I certainly selected with evident incompetence both in the choice and in the use, although some tests on uncoated canvas and on hidden parts of the pu coatex coat, had encouraged me to do it), and the one whose result I appreciated and which I still use today (my xenomorph style bag, made with cotton duck canvas and leather inserts, appropriately painted and then covered with the medium that I had left), but as I said, I don't feel like giving advice on how to act at fault for sure, simply because I don't think it's possible: a canvas (like a wsl or like the one you are about to use) could behave differently from what I saw, and regarding Angelus products, I don't know them.

If I were you, if I really wanted to give it a try, I would try the appropriate products on a suitably large sample of canvas, but in that case you have to take into account that you will lose money if the result is not the one you wanted... only the person who made the coat in the film could tell us the method for sure and only if they would also allow us to buy the same products and fabrics they used, I would say absolutely.

I certainly wouldn't say that using that liquitex on an uncoated canvas would normally make it look like cardboard, in fact I am still satisfied with the flexibility of the cotton with which I covered that bag with stylised plates, and it is also one of the strong points that are emphasised as the product's slogan, but mine is just a testament, we should all sit at the same work table in person to have the absolute perception of the guaranteed result.

On the subject of "satin", "high gloss" and any options for greater or lesser shine, frankly I perceive a very limited shine in the film coat, and the one given by the Otter wax by setting it in the initial salience with its dressing (which is in fact identified as "matte finish"), I find it suitable for the project, but I understand that in some scenes it seems brighter and maybe you might like it more like that, but I fear that with acrylic products, if you don't find the right one and you don't know how to use it in the right way on the right canvas and with the right quantity, you really risk an excess of shine, certainly more than with classic waxes.
I can say with reasonable certainty that the result I liked with Liquitex on the uncoated canvas, I got it by moderating the quantity and making a good effort to spread it evenly on the fabric I wanted to cover (of which I had already touched up the color, without the medium being mixed with it, so yes, using it as a coating even though it is proposed as a thinner for colors, and going back in the forum, moreover after I had already done it, I noticed that others had thought about using it pure in their turn, I don't remember the page of the thread, certainly a long way back but I think it's still on the thread).

So really, I don't want to risk giving bad advice, but certainly falling back on Otter is not a bad choice, imo from a visual pov, it gives a certain guarantee that you can't have in other ways if not with proven knowledge and ability to use it (which I certainly don't claim to have yet), then maybe the Angelus products as well as the Liquitex spray varnish would give excellent results, who knows, but I really don't know.
What I also know is that a month ago I badly soiled my SR while riding an e-bike on a rough dirt and rainy area.
I had to wash it properly, which is heavily over-waxed with Otter etc.
The result: I didn't have to touch up the wax at all, I used a shower in the tub completely soaked and liquid soap for delicates, it came out absolutely perfect and clean without streaks on the wax or other damage, so as I had already understood, just don't overdo it and don't exceed 30°C without scraping too hard and using soaps that are too aggressive, and a classic wax on an Otter base that is already well stabilized with the needed curing and done radically well as I did, has no problems holding up to certain washes, exactly as a Liquitex medium coating shouldn't have.

That said, the SR fabric, is the SR fabric... yes, I can say that the uncoated canvas that I treated in pure liquitex seems SR, but this is no guarantee that another canvas will do the same, and I would say that if I exceeded even a little more with the quantity of product, there was a risk of excess shine (which in fact SR does not have).

The only thing that, always with the benefit of the doubt that on other canvases it may work better, but I want to confirm from my experiences absolutely out of place, is the use of vinyl plasticizers such as cleopatre or odicoat, which are practically the same thing: imho, with those you do risk having an unpleasant finish.

surely if I were to make another coat in a new uncoated canvas, I would risk losing the money to buy more liquitex go for it with the new cloth, first making a good attempt on normal fabric, and then probably if it didn't work, I would try other similar ways (like the neutral "acrylic wax", which here in my area they also sell in the shop), but at the moment I'm not trying yet, I've already spent a lot of time, money and energy, and I have two coats that already satisfy me fully, one of which being an SR, could hardly not do it from that aspect.
Surely those cans of liquitex, for what I wrote that it makes a thin layer if it ever worked on any canvas of the case and certainly not to be exceeded, but just one can won't be enough for a coat like that (it will take almost two for sure, if then it is understood that for the chosen canvas, that is the right way).
At least the cost of buying it here, I think is about half of what is needed for Otter, although I now have a considerable supply of Otter, but only because I found a flash offer some time ago for a huge tin (the largest available) and some large bars, but normally Otter wax here costs a lot, certainly in the States it is easier to get a price in line with a Liquitex medium, since that wax is produced in Oregon
Would you be able to post a picture of the uncoated canvas treated with pure Liquitex medium? I understand the Otter Wax will be the 'safest' option since it's the only one actually designed for this sort of thing, but I keep worrying that in order to achieve the shiny finish with it, I'll have to use a lot of thick layers and it will always remain sticky and might rub off on other items in storage.
 
Would you be able to post a picture of the uncoated canvas treated with pure Liquitex medium? I understand the Otter Wax will be the 'safest' option since it's the only one actually designed for this sort of thing, but I keep worrying that in order to achieve the shiny finish with it, I'll have to use a lot of thick layers and it will always remain sticky and might rub off on other items in storage.
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I posted several pics of my matching bag while wearing the coat some time ago, and I even made some comparisons of that kind while I was covering the canvas with the pure medium, but it would take a lot of time to go through every page of the thread, and I no longer have those pics in my storage.

If I have to keep it simple, you can perhaps (as far as my poor phone allows) deduce something from here, this is my bag, it is covered with flaps in waxed canvas (I made them by destroying old clothes and two types of duck canvas different but very similar, first touched up in color with the same color, then covered with liquitex that I had left, as you can see there is an effect quite similar to SR in the shine, so contained without going overshine, the softness is still pretty decent, the bag however has a cordura base underneath which gives it a good structure, it is a bit cut-proof and anti-humidity, but without going overboard, certainly pragmatic enough (forget about the leather inserts, clearly more shiny and well visible, I colored those to make them homogeneous with the color of the canvas, but it has nothing to do with the liquitex coating, it would not have been further necessary, I only used it for the canvas).

Pics above and here below
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but, look at that below, another strange smaller bag always with the same cyberpunk style method, here I used the leftover carbusonic but with the canonical method from the manufacturer, that is diluted with acrylic paint and in greater quantity (I used for this more of a fern green color), it remained sufficiently soft all the same, but it is really thick, I certainly wouldn't want a coat like this because it really is a work apron style material, but in any case I know it very well in impervious area hikins, it resists anything and does not scratch, it can be washed with a sponge with extreme ease.
Practically the same method, used on my bep hoping not to see cracks or other sealing problems, had led to disaster, so, again, it depends on the fabric, for this one as you can see I made a mix of twill and duck canvas depending on the flaps used, but more or less the result was the same, they were old jeans and cotton trousers also these but different, I certainly wouldn't say an SR type fabric (even less the BEP laminate which is really impossible to find an identical one)

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I posted several pics of my matching bag while wearing the coat some time ago, and I even made some comparisons of that kind while I was covering the canvas with the pure medium, but it would take a lot of time to go through every page of the thread, and I no longer have those pics in my storage.

If I have to keep it simple, you can perhaps (as far as my poor phone allows) deduce something from here, this is my bag, it is covered with flaps in waxed canvas (I made them by destroying old clothes and two types of duck canvas different but very similar, first touched up in color with the same color, then covered with liquitex that I had left, as you can see there is an effect quite similar to SR in the shine, so contained without going overshine, the softness is still pretty decent, the bag however has a cordura base underneath which gives it a good structure, it is a bit cut-proof and anti-humidity, but without going overboard, certainly pragmatic enough (forget about the leather inserts, clearly more shiny and well visible, I colored those to make them homogeneous with the color of the canvas, but it has nothing to do with the liquitex coating, it would not have been further necessary, I only used it for the canvas).

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but, look at that below, another strange smaller bag always with the same cyberpunk style method, here I used the leftover carbusonic but with the canonical method from the manufacturer, that is diluted with acrylic paint and in greater quantity (I used for this more of a fern green color), it remained sufficiently soft all the same, but it is really thick, I certainly wouldn't want a coat like this because it really is a work apron style material, but in any case I know it very well in impervious area hikins, it resists anything and does not scratch, it can be washed with a sponge with extreme ease.
Practically the same method, used on my bep hoping not to see cracks or other sealing problems, had led to disaster, so, again, it depends on the fabric, for this one as you can see I made a mix of twill and duck canvas depending on the flaps used, but more or less the result was the same, they were old jeans and cotton trousers also these but different, I certainly wouldn't say an SR type fabric (even less the BEP laminate which is really impossible to find an identical one)

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Thanks, these images all look pretty good. The fabric medium is cheaper than their varnish and I do have a swatch to test on (and once I get the fabric and cut the pieces out I'm sure I'll have more extra scraps), so this seems like it might be a good first thing to try. Does it add any water resistance? Not necessary since I care more about visual accuracy than functionality but it'd be a nice bonus.
 
Thanks, these images all look pretty good. The fabric medium is cheaper than their varnish and I do have a swatch to test on (and once I get the fabric and cut the pieces out I'm sure I'll have more extra scraps), so this seems like it might be a good first thing to try. Does it add any water resistance? Not necessary since I care more about visual accuracy than functionality but it'd be a nice bonus.
Yes I confirm it gives a bit of water repellency, exactly like the SR cloth (which as it is, can withstand lite rain but not heavy rain for something more than just a short while, except adding other otter based classic wax layer to make it barely indestructable).
It strongly depends on the cloth, BEP laminated as well as those types of canvas I used for the bag, don't excees in absorbing the medium, better avoid any dryer for it and, as its instructions saying it's possible, just spread it evenly and then let it dry by itself, eventually also possible a final low temp ironing with cloth underneath but not really needed.
The liquitex is thicker than the other non-vynilic plastic coating I tried, so I said not possible to predict if on the cloth you're using it will work 100%, but a lite hand should be fine and if the lining still isn't sewed, maybe a nice idea anyway to put kinda sheet of something (for instance cardboard) on the inner side of the cloth, to limit any possible exceed of penetration of the coating and helping making it's layer mainly on the surface where you put it
 
Yes I confirm it gives a bit of water repellency, exactly like the SR cloth (which as it is, can withstand lite rain but not heavy rain for something more than just a short while, except adding other otter based classic wax layer to make it barely indestructable).
It strongly depends on the cloth, BEP laminated as well as those types of canvas I used for the bag, don't excees in absorbing the medium, better avoid any dryer for it and, as its instructions saying it's possible, just spread it evenly and then let it dry by itself, eventually also possible a final low temp ironing with cloth underneath but not really needed.
The liquitex is thicker than the other non-vynilic plastic coating I tried, so I said not possible to predict if on the cloth you're using it will work 100%, but a lite hand should be fine and if the lining still isn't sewed, maybe a nice idea anyway to put kinda sheet of something (for instance cardboard) on the inner side of the cloth, to limit any possible exceed of penetration of the coating and helping making it's layer mainly on the surface where you put it
Great, that sounds like it should be perfect for my purposes then. I've already got a bottle on the way and will do a test on the swatch I have and post the results.

I was actually planning to coat all the individual fabric pieces after I've marked them and cut them out but before sewing anything together, I think that'll be closer to SR's construction and more importantly I won't have to worry about getting any of the coating on the lining or fur.
 
Great, that sounds like it should be perfect for my purposes then. I've already got a bottle on the way and will do a test on the swatch I have and post the results.

I was actually planning to coat all the individual fabric pieces after I've marked them and cut them out but before sewing anything together, I think that'll be closer to SR's construction and more importantly I won't have to worry about getting any of the coating on the lining or fur.
I found that post at page 27 of the thread, the guy who used liquitex product, wrote about liquitex acrylic varnish.
Of course I didnt try on every cloth every liquitex product for textile possibly made also for the purposes we mean, but I wouldnt dilute the medium we are talking about that I used, but just possibly try it with a well spreaded lite hand... it's about having a solid coating anyway...I don't think that if SR used such a method, they diluted with water anything of that sort.
Furthermore, the acrylic varnish he postes, it's not designed for textile, as far as I know about those products, but this won't mean it couldn't work fine diluted as he did (that liquitex varnish, on the cloth he coated, I'd say).
I believe the medium I used, is the right one officially declared for textile from manufacturer, without any need to be diluted with water.
I read back an answer I had from SeAnn by SR when I was making question about the cloth:
she wrote it is "lightly waxed", and today we know on the inner label is said "acrylic" referred to the coating...here I found acrylic wax, used for art painting, but it's not indicated designed for textiles, that liquitex varnish, you open the notes at that link amd it's said "for exteriors and interiors", but not clearly designed for textile...I bet there would be few other chances to have a proper liquitex medium for that, which wouldn't be the one I mean
 
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Hey everyone, I've been reading this thread for a couple of years now, it's crazy how much dedication you guys have put into investigating every stitch on this coat. I'm interested in wearing the coat as a normal garment, not as a costume. But I have some issues... From what I can tell... Without modification the SR coat seems to be the best "out-of-the-box" one. However, my problem are body dimensions. I'm very short. About 166cm/5'5". Also I'm relatively muscular, my chest is about 105cm/41", and my biceps are about 40.5cm/16".
I'm nowhere on the sizing chart that SR provides. What I've gathered from this thread is that these tailors don't answer to emails and don't make big (if any) custom alterations to this garment... Am I just screwed here? I feel like there are no options for me when it comes to this coat.

Also... This thread is massive. I understand this might be a huge huge ask... But it would be really cool if each member here like CountLau, Cameron1138, Mechanismo and Jameel Ur could create a single, consolidated post with their definitive opinion on what coat seems to be ideal, and which alterations, materials, waxes etc... need to be made to it to achieve a more SA-look. The thread is sort becoming unmanagable in terms of information density. But if this request is unreasonable, I apologize, please ignore.

Also, I would like to ask Cameron1138. Where did you source that exact fabric on page 147? It seems to be a near-exact match. I'm not familiar with sewing and costume-making so I don't know how colors are sourced. Is it by CMYK value, RAL or some other kind of standard? I wonder if I could get a tailor to custom-make the entire coat to my dimensions if I could get my hands on a roll of that type of cotton canvas.
 
Hey everyone, I've been reading this thread for a couple of years now, it's crazy how much dedication you guys have put into investigating every stitch on this coat. I'm interested in wearing the coat as a normal garment, not as a costume. But I have some issues... From what I can tell... Without modification the SR coat seems to be the best "out-of-the-box" one. However, my problem are body dimensions. I'm very short. About 166cm/5'5". Also I'm relatively muscular, my chest is about 105cm/41", and my biceps are about 40.5cm/16".
I'm nowhere on the sizing chart that SR provides. What I've gathered from this thread is that these tailors don't answer to emails and don't make big (if any) custom alterations to this garment... Am I just screwed here? I feel like there are no options for me when it comes to this coat.

Also... This thread is massive. I understand this might be a huge huge ask... But it would be really cool if each member here like CountLau, Cameron1138, Mechanismo and Jameel Ur could create a single, consolidated post with their definitive opinion on what coat seems to be ideal, and which alterations, materials, waxes etc... need to be made to it to achieve a more SA-look. The thread is sort becoming unmanagable in terms of information density. But if this request is unreasonable, I apologize, please ignore.

Also, I would like to ask Cameron1138. Where did you source that exact fabric on page 147? It seems to be a near-exact match. I'm not familiar with sewing and costume-making so I don't know how colors are sourced. Is it by CMYK value, RAL or some other kind of standard? I wonder if I could get a tailor to custom-make the entire coat to my dimensions if I could get my hands on a roll of that type of cotton canvas.
I suggest you write to SeAnn of SR but without getting lost in too many questions, get straight to the point asking precisely for the measurements of what you should find your size based on the few parameters illustrated in their table, so if you are afraid of not fitting into the size of your height because you are too muscular, knowing the circumference of your arms and the width of the panels that make up the body of the coat, you could always ask a tailor to move the hook n eye and the magnets (which in any case must be added to have a decent closure) but not deviating by considerable distances from the original size, or the double-breasted setting, the lines of the lower part and of the waist etc, would end up creating insurmountable problems in the coherence of some details, if you want to keep them neat.
I can't tell you if she will answer you, for the collar I had the measurements I wanted before ordering, but it is the only way (unless there is an SR owner here with your measurements who wants to intervene and provide the details of his coat).

The beauty of the thread is also its journey through the various considerations, I recommend taking your time and reading it all.
Some of us from those you mentioned (like me) are not even professionals, but only customers and possible hobbyists, and there are too many points on which each of us has sometimes found ourselves with different views, whether it is for taste, vision problems or not, or simply pov, so harmonize everything, especially from a distance without it ever being possible (it would be utopian) that all the most insane with this stuff of us have ever sat down in person around a table to discuss how to make the perfect k coat (and yes, I am one of those who has made even long summary points several times, but the truth is that R. April or someone who has the means to bring us one of the original coats, perhaps bought at the auction that took place a short time ago, should also sit at that table), so to be realistic, I would say that summarizing is not very possible, I think you will have to go by your trust and feeling based on what you read here (always starting from the size issue first, and yes, so far as I know SR has not ever made any changes or adjustments of any kind to customers).

That fabric that Cameron found actually seems to be the analogue of the SR one, but in the duck canvas weave that would be exactly the SA one, without coating and perhaps a little lighter, which is an excellent premise for having a final result that is really similar to SR and the film, given that by coating the fabric you always get a certain degree of darkening, I wish Cameron good work and that what he will try will lead him to the best result. Many of us have and in some cases I think I can say are still pushing ourselves partly into unexplored territories, the many comparisons have laid the foundations for potentially good results, hopefully good for those who still want more
 
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