Lets talk all things Star Wars

[Joek3rr]

So back in November I got this little LEGO set- 75342: Republic Fighter Tank.

It's suck a fun little set with a bunch of cool references to old EU content.

The tank, is a TX-130 Saber-class fighter tank, based on Pandemic's The Clone Wars.

In the first mission of the game you play as Mace Windu, piloting this tank on Geonosis.

And the Clone troopers are based on a Target exclusive battle pack that was made up by Hasbro. It was released as a part of the 2006 Saga Collection.

 

[ghostryder]

David Benioff and D.B. Weiss Spill the Beans on Their Cancelled Star Wars Project

The story would have followed "the first Jedi," according to the 'Game of Thrones' showrunners.

collider.com

 

[blewis17]

BTW, just finished watching Battle Beyond The Stars. Not bad for an attempt at Roger Corman to riff on Star Wars.

James Cameron did the model work on that film!

 

[CB2001]

James Cameron did the model work on that film!

I know. I knew that James Cameron designed the ship Nell and that he featured “breasts” in the design because of the fact Roger Corman‘s reputation to include them regularly in productions. i have to admit, it wasn’t bad. It was certain more enjoyable than I expected.

 

[batguy]

The exchange is said to have been:

Corman (looking at various model designs) - "What's this?"

Cameron - "It's a spaceship with t*ts."

Corman - "I like it."

 

[Wakeem]

I still haven't seen Battle Beyond the Stars yet. But I have seen Galaxy of Terror. Which is surprisingly good and worth owning. And you do see
how we got Aliens from that movie. Galaxy of Terror is a horror movie though so beware of what you are getting into if you aren't into that sort of thing.

Galaxy of Terror - Wikipedia

David Benioff and D.B. Weiss Spill the Beans on Their Cancelled Star Wars Project

The story would have followed "the first Jedi," according to the 'Game of Thrones' showrunners.

collider.com

Seems like Lucasfilm is still working on the origin of the Jedi story though with the last Indiana Jones director. I haven't seen Indiana Jones 5 yet. I just have a bad feeling about it. I saw a clip from the trailer and just thought that I'm in no rush to see that. I would be surprised if they keep the director on the Jedi origin story going from the Box Office and from what I've heard of Indiana Jones 5.

My theory is that we need a true creative person behind whatever Star Wars comes out next. They got lucky with Rogue One and it's the only Star Wars movie I enjoy besides the Original Trilogy. I even have this Rogue One poster and a Jyn Erso Hot Toys figure. So I really like that one. I haven't seen the Andor TV show yet.

But Lucasfilm needs to find someone that actually made a good space sci-fi movie first at this point. Not just some idea people. We didn't get lucky with Aliens because James Cameron made Terminator first and worked on that sort of thing before. Although he did actually like that last Terminator movie so I don't know.

But at this point, I don't expect anything at the level of the Original Trilogy. I thought the Disney World Galactic Starcruiser experience was cool and I hate that I didn't go bacause it still was in the World of Star Wars. You could take out Rey and swap in Ahsoka or better yet Aayla Secura. Change or remove Kylo Ren and it wouldn't make much difference. It might even be better for me.

But making a ride / hotel experience is far easier than making a movie that will be on the level of the Original Trilogy.

 

[CB2001]

I still haven't seen Battle Beyond the Stars yet. But I have seen Galaxy of Terror. Which is surprisingly good and worth owning. And you do see
how we got Aliens from that movie. Galaxy of Terror is a horror movie though so beware of what you are getting into if you aren't into that sort of thing.

Galaxy of Terror - Wikipedia

Definitely gonna have to add that one to the list. I remember hearing a story about James Cameron directing maggots in a scene, where he knew to use electrical current to cause them to squirm and someone wasn’t aware of it. When he called cut, the current was turned off and the maggots stopped squirming, which caused this person to be surprised. Roger Corman films are often hit and miss, but at least they are never dull, and always manages to try things with limited budgets.

 

[batguy]

Definitely gonna have to add that one to the list. I remember hearing a story about James Cameron directing maggots in a scene, where he knew to use electrical current to cause them to squirm and someone wasn’t aware of it. When he called cut, the current was turned off and the maggots stopped squirming, which caused this person to be surprised. Roger Corman films are often hit and miss, but at least they are never dull, and always manages to try things with limited budgets.

Roger Corman's corner-cutting was the stuff of legend.

Another story:
James Cameron figured out that Corman paid very little attention to the quality of sets, but he threw a fit if they were behind schedule. So when Cameron was painting a bunch of sci-fi sets, he arranged to get a warning call when Corman was coming to inspect them. When the call came, Cameron simply stopped painting in mid-job and stashed the paint out of sight. Corman came in, said "Looks good" and left. Then Cameron resumed painting.

 

[Wakeem]

Definitely gonna have to add that one to the list. I remember hearing a story about James Cameron directing maggots in a scene, where he knew to use electrical current to cause them to squirm and someone wasn’t aware of it. When he called cut, the current was turned off and the maggots stopped squirming, which caused this person to be surprised. Roger Corman films are often hit and miss, but at least they are never dull, and always manages to try things with limited budgets.

Galaxy of Terror is a good horror sci-fi movie if you like that sort of thing. But if you don't then you might not be impressed. There are a few notable actors in it as well.

I have a few other movies that either influenced Star Wars or ripped off Star Wars to see that I recently found out about.

1. Union Pacific which is supposedly where the Star Wars opening crawl comes from.

Union Pacific (film) - Wikipedia

2. The Humanoid. An Italian movie with a bunch of Bond movie actors that is supposed to be similar to Star Wars

The Humanoid (film) - Wikipedia

 

[Astyanax]

1. Union Pacific which is supposedly where the Star Wars opening crawl comes from.

The Flash Gordon serials predate that even, and Lucas says he was heavily influenced by those and the Buck Rogers serials of the 30s.

The Star Wars crawl really appears to be a callback to that. So similar!

 

[Wakeem]

The Flash Gordon serials predate that even, and Lucas says he was heavily influenced by those and the Buck Rogers serials of the 30s.

The Star Wars crawl really appears to be a callback to that. So similar!

The comments say that video is from the Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe serial made in 1940. Union Pacific is from 1939. But I still need to get into those old serials and see. The comics / strips too. I noted a bunch back during the Prequels. Like Commando Cody which also influenced The Rocketeer.

Also, I watched some of the Flash Gordon's Trip to Mars serial when deciding on getting this double feature poster by the same artist as the Rogue One I posted above. I think I was one of the few people that liked the 80s Flash Gordon movie. But people are coming around to that one now.

 

[JediMichael]

Just saw this, and even though the say is almost over, still pretty cool.

 

[CB2001]

Is it strange for me to think that someone should create a questionnaire for the fandom, just to study where people stand about Star Wars as well as who the fans are? I mean, I suspect the reason why the Sequel Trilogy was successful was not because the films were good, but because the fandom was so desperate for new Star Wars films, they grabbed onto anything with the Star Wars name (I call it the “Man in the Desert” hypothesis), and would like to know how many also suspect this is the case. I’d also like to know how many fans feel like the diversity presented has been positive and how many believe it has hurt the franchise, among other things. I mean, it would be nice to know what most fans feel about the franchise where it’s at now, as well as What type of people they are. I mean, I know it’s strange, but sometimes I read some responses here and elsewhere and wonder, “How many believe what they say, and is it because they’re loyal to the franchise instead of trying to hold the creators to a quality standard that was set by past works, or are they basing it on personal biases and beliefs?” I think it would be interesting to know the numbers. That‘s probably just me. I mean, it’s strange to think about that, isn’t it?

 

[Psab keel]

Just saw this, and even though the say is almost over, still pretty cool.
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I remember Star Wars! Those were fun movies!

 

[JediMichael]

I remember Star Wars! Those were fun movies!

Yep...good memories that no one, even big corporations, cannot seem to reproduce.

 

[Wakeem]

The Flash Gordon serials predate that even, and Lucas says he was heavily influenced by those and the Buck Rogers serials of the 30s.

The Star Wars crawl really appears to be a callback to that. So similar!

I did a bit more searching and the Buck Rogers serial with the text crawl came out a few months before Union Pacific in the same year. But I know I either saw or read about Union Pacific in conjunction with Star Wars. I don't know where.

These days, a lot of times I find out about old movies by looking at Heritage and Propstore poster and other item auctions. So it could have been there. I know I've added tons of movies to watch just seeing those auctions. Sometimes they make videos discussing the movies too.

Is it strange for me to think that someone should create a questionnaire for the fandom, just to study where people stand about Star Wars as well as who the fans are? I mean, I suspect the reason why the Sequel Trilogy was successful was not because the films were good, but because the fandom was so desperate for new Star Wars films, they grabbed onto anything with the Star Wars name (I call it the “Man in the Desert” hypothesis), and would like to know how many also suspect this is the case. I’d also like to know how many fans feel like the diversity presented has been positive and how many believe it has hurt the franchise, among other things. I mean, it would be nice to know what most fans feel about the franchise where it’s at now, as well as What type of people they are. I mean, I know it’s strange, but sometimes I read some responses here and elsewhere and wonder, “How many believe what they say, and is it because they’re loyal to the franchise instead of trying to hold the creators to a quality standard that was set by past works, or are they basing it on personal biases and beliefs?” I think it would be interesting to know the numbers. That‘s probably just me. I mean, it’s strange to think about that, isn’t it?

I believe the Sequels were profitable, just like the Prequels, before the films were even released with the merchandise deals. However, I do believe people need a "fix" as someone I knew called it. I think he was talking about Star Wars or another popular series. Still that fix doesn't work for everyone. The Solo movie is probably a good example of that since it didn't do that well at the Box Office.

I do believe that Man in the Desert hypothesis if it's the same as what I'm thinking. For example, this crude Eddie Murphy joke that always makes me laugh. This joke has foul language and situations so be warned. It's the foul mouth jerk Eddie Murphy from the Beverly Hills Cop days.

I don't find diversity a problem at all. That word seems to be only used today. I never heard it during any of the Star Trek TV shows or movies. When Lando showed up in Empire Strikes Back. The G.I. Joe cartoon was full of characters with different backgrounds. Or the soldiers in Aliens. Of course, there is Hudson's joke that still works after all this time.

Although part of me thinks that maybe it's the reason some modern audiences don't like Predator 2 since the majority of the cast are minorities. Predator 1, 2, and the recent Prey are the only Predator movies for me. And basically 2 out of 3 movies have a majority of minority characters. And even the original Predator cast would be considered diverse I think.

I posted before that I thought John Boyega's character would be one of Luke's undercover Jedi in The Force Awakens. I saw him originally in Attack the Block. It's a crazy kids getting into trouble with Aliens movie. But all I care about is seeing a good movie. I watch foreign movies too. If it seems good, I'll check it out.

 

[RustBelt]

The ROTJ Sketchbook from the time shows a concept of 2 simultaneous new Death Stars.

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And within the SW timeline, the DS2 would have been under construction even before the DS1 was "fully operational" correct?
There are arguments on both sides.

I felt that TFA would have made a little more sense if we would have learned the ANH DS was the prototype for the DS2, and SK base on the planet Ilum was at the opposite end of the spectrum, with the First Order using that research to incorporate the superpower laser into the heart of a planet . Although, if you THINK about it: SK base was able to pull dark energy from its own sun, then channel it into multiple beams that were fired through a hyperspace tunnel until they reached their intended targets.

But SK base was a planet and therefore still "stationary" when compared with the hyperspace capability of the mechanical DS1 and DS2, and therefore ALWAYS open for attack. Because you always knew where it was, and it couldn't "run away."

But then TROS had to go and put all of that power into Star Destroyers and really screw the pooch story-wise.

From what I understand, the second one was a big secret.

 

[CB2001]

I do believe that Man in the Desert hypothesis if it's the same as what I'm thinking. For example, this crude Eddie Murphy joke that always makes me laugh. This joke has foul language and situations so be warned. It's the foul mouth jerk Eddie Murphy from the Beverly Hills Cop days.

Well, the "Man in the Desert" hypothesis I came up with is as followed: Let's say you know someone who swears they will never drink a drop of alcohol to save their life. You take that someone and you leave them out in the desert for a little over 24 hours, and you come back to them with a bottle of alcohol. You know what will happen? That person will snatch that bottle out of your hand and guzzle it down, not even thinking twice about what they previously said. They'll do it because they're desperate for anything to drink. The same thing can be applied to Star Wars. Before Disney bought LucasFilm, Lucas himself stated that there wasn't going to be any more live action Star Wars films. After Disney bought LucasFilms, they instantly announced a new live action film trilogy, and fans were so desperate for anything with the Star Wars name on the big screen that they grabbed at whatever Disney gave them without thought about the quality of storytelling. The same is true with Star Trek as well. The last ST film was Nemesis, which didn't do well at the box office. The last show, Enterprise, was off the air. Star Trek fans weren't sure if there was going to be any new live action Star Trek projects. Then, 2009 Star Trek came and again, the fans grabbed at it because they were desperate and disregarding the quality of the story and character (and more importantly, the philosophy that made Star Trek what it was)

 

[batguy]

Well, the "Man in the Desert" hypothesis I came up with is as followed: Let's say you know someone who swears they will never drink a drop of alcohol to save their life. You take that someone and you leave them out in the desert for a little over 24 hours, and you come back to them with a bottle of alcohol. You know what will happen? That person will snatch that bottle out of your hand and guzzle it down, not even thinking twice about what they previously said. They'll do it because they're desperate for anything to drink. The same thing can be applied to Star Wars. Before Disney bought LucasFilm, Lucas himself stated that there wasn't going to be any more live action Star Wars films. After Disney bought LucasFilms, they instantly announced a new live action film trilogy, and fans were so desperate for anything with the Star Wars name on the big screen that they grabbed at whatever Disney gave them without thought about the quality of storytelling. The same is true with Star Trek as well. The last ST film was Nemesis, which didn't do well at the box office. The last show, Enterprise, was off the air. Star Trek fans weren't sure if there was going to be any new live action Star Trek projects. Then, 2009 Star Trek came and again, the fans grabbed at it because they were desperate and disregarding the quality of the story and character (and more importantly, the philosophy that made Star Trek what it was)

TFA also benefited from being an anti-prequel. Lovable old Han & Chewie & the Falcon were back. The dialogue & acting were prioritized as much as in a normal non-SW movie (unlike the prequels). The production design of everything (costumes, gadgets, sets, ships, planet terrains, etc) was intentionally OT-looking. They built tons of practical sets and didn't let anything have a CGI look (I'd argue they did it more than necessary. It really is a gorgeous-looking movie).

TFA had underlying problems, but on the surface it was a 2-hour apology for the prequels. It doesn't surprise me at all that it sold $2b.

 

[Wakeem]

Well, the "Man in the Desert" hypothesis I came up with is as followed: Let's say you know someone who swears they will never drink a drop of alcohol to save their life. You take that someone and you leave them out in the desert for a little over 24 hours, and you come back to them with a bottle of alcohol. You know what will happen? That person will snatch that bottle out of your hand and guzzle it down, not even thinking twice about what they previously said. They'll do it because they're desperate for anything to drink. The same thing can be applied to Star Wars. Before Disney bought LucasFilm, Lucas himself stated that there wasn't going to be any more live action Star Wars films. After Disney bought LucasFilms, they instantly announced a new live action film trilogy, and fans were so desperate for anything with the Star Wars name on the big screen that they grabbed at whatever Disney gave them without thought about the quality of storytelling. The same is true with Star Trek as well. The last ST film was Nemesis, which didn't do well at the box office. The last show, Enterprise, was off the air. Star Trek fans weren't sure if there was going to be any new live action Star Trek projects. Then, 2009 Star Trek came and again, the fans grabbed at it because they were desperate and disregarding the quality of the story and character (and more importantly, the philosophy that made Star Trek what it was)

That Man in the Desert is basically what I was thinking with the Eddie Murphy joke. When you are out there with nothing, just getting something seems like a big deal.

I know I had high hopes for Star Trek 2009. I still have a bunch of the crew shirts from a cereal promotion. I don't think I heard Abrams talking about how he didn't like Star Trek and preferred Star Wars at that point. Which is amazing to me that you would even take the job for a series that you don't like. The trailer for Star Trek was epic. Probably because of the music. I even saved it.

But the Enterprise being constructed on Earth was the big warning sign. I thought the the time error would be fixed by the end of the movie. I didn't think they would make Spock stupid or emotionally compromised. Especially since he's experienced time travel before and this time actually has a time travel ship! And don't get me started on the fact that Abrams had the nerve to put the Alias TV show into the Star Trek universe with the Red Matter.

I thought The Force Awakens would be good too. Somewhere around halfway in, I knew it wasn't. Both George Lucas and even James Cameron had very to the point feelings about that movie.