A New Star Wars Trilogy Announced

Now when I hear "New" Disney Star Wars anything, all I hear is Blah, blah, blah and think So What!
That right there is the state of the "franchise".
 
I have said several times in this thread that I really do truly love the character of Rey and I am excited to see future movies and future stories that feature her.

But part of what I don’t understand about Disney is why they won’t also in addition to telling new stories with new characters give fans what they really want and do something like movies or tv shows with Luke, Han, and Leia that take place between the saga movies.

They could use deep fakes similar to what they’ve already done in ‘Rogue One’ and the Mandalorian, or recast some of the parts like Sebastian Stan as Luke or Millie Bobby Brown as Leia. I feel like if you told stories using the original trilogy characters it would be like printing money, and it might restore some faith with the fans. They could even adopt some of the old EU stories and make them fit into the new Disney Canon.
 
James Kenobi 1138 said:
But part of what I don’t understand about Disney is why they won’t also in addition to telling new stories with new characters give fans what they really want and do something like movies or tv shows with Luke, Han, and Leia that take place between the saga movies.

They could use deep fakes similar to what they’ve already done in ‘Rogue One’ and the Mandalorian, or recast some of the parts like Sebastian Stan as Luke or Millie Bobby Brown as Leia. I feel like if you told stories using the original trilogy characters it would be like printing money, and it might restore some faith with the fans. They could even adopt some of the old EU stories and make them fit into the new Disney Canon.
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I think the tepid reaction to the 'Solo' movie has made them reluctant to recast the classic characters. It's risky.

Deepfakes are workable for short scenes & cameos. It's still not a good solution for a whole series. Dialogue scenes, naturalistic acting, etc . . . it's just not really there yet. Not consistently & affordably.
 
batguy said:
I think the tepid reaction to the 'Solo' movie has made them reluctant to recast the classic characters. It's risky.

Deepfakes are workable for short scenes & cameos. It's still not a good solution for a whole series. Dialogue scenes, naturalistic acting, etc . . . it's just not really there yet. Not consistently & affordably.
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Not intentionally veering away from the SW tril topic but I think that what is being missed right now is the obvious dreamlike quality of AI.

If someone wanted to start a series about a guy who daydreams all the time, the morphing fingers and odd expressions would be expected, it is a dream. There was a cable series that did this with tv amd movie clips. The guy was going about his normal life but was always imagining these clips just like gen z does with memes. (found it, 'Dream On', on HBO between July 8, 1990, and March 27, 1996.)
But in this scenario and with tech at the not so perfect but surrealistic quality it is now, incorporate the deepfake as ADHD daydreaming or actual during-sleep dreaming. I know my dreams morph exactly like that and my kitten can be a lion then a bird, etcetera.
 
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IMO this early AI imagery is gonna look VERY dated in a few more years. It all has a certain strange same-ness. The faces are all sort of angular & wide & chiseled, the bodies are ripped, the backgrounds look like airbrush art, etc.

Right now the video motion generators lack any understanding of physics. They end up creating nonsensical (and sometimes body horror) images . . . it's so bizarre that I think it's worth retaining. I hope we don't lose the ability to do this stuff (when we want to) as the software gets better. It's going to be known as a comical "mid-2020s" look, like the way early Pixar stuff screams late-1990s.
 
batguy said:
IMO this early AI imagery is gonna look VERY dated in a few more years. It all has a certain strange same-ness. The faces are all sort of angular & wide & chiseled, the bodies are ripped, the backgrounds look like airbrush art, etc.

Right now the video motion generators lack any understanding of physics. They end up creating nonsensical (and sometimes body horror) images . . . it's so bizarre that I think it's worth retaining. I hope we don't lose the ability to do this stuff (when we want to) as the software gets better. It's going to be known as a comical "mid-2020s" look, like the way early Pixar stuff screams late-1990s.
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Very much like hand coloring the black and white frames of the past.
 
James Kenobi 1138 said:
Or give us a between EP3 and EP4 Vader series of him (not Inquisitors) hunting Jedi.
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With mangolds flick they have eons of time to work with, yet everything else has to repeatedly target everything they have aleady done. Go to a new space.

One problem with the pt was you knew certain characters were safe. Nothing was happening to obi wan, anakin wasnt dying, etc. Trying to suck up to fans w something like a true thrawn trilogy is the same thing. We know everyone lives, etc.

You cant do,scenes like in gogt3 where nearly everyone had a moment they might die. The stakes are low when younknow the outcome and who lices, dies etc. They have perma screwed the ot characters. You cant redeem destroying their stories without undoing the st itself and they arent going to do that, but it fixes a lot i suppose if they do something that fits in the middle and we find out the st is in the sw equivalent of the kelvin timeline. And no, they wont do thar, so all the more reason to go to unknown timeframes where arent beholden to anything.
 
cboath said:
With mangolds flick they have eons of time to work with, yet everything else has to repeatedly target everything they have aleady done. Go to a new space.

One problem with the pt was you knew certain characters were safe. Nothing was happening to obi wan, anakin wasnt dying, etc. Trying to suck up to fans w something like a true thrawn trilogy is the same thing. We know everyone lives, etc.

You cant do,scenes like in gogt3 where nearly everyone had a moment they might die. The stakes are low when younknow the outcome and who lices, dies etc. They have perma screwed the ot characters. You cant redeem destroying their stories without undoing the st itself and they arent going to do that, but it fixes a lot i suppose if they do something that fits in the middle and we find out the st is in the sw equivalent of the kelvin timeline. And no, they wont do thar, so all the more reason to go to unknown timeframes where arent beholden to anything.
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True, but that issue isn't unique to SW or the Lucas era. Some characters are just more mortal than others. Depends on the kind of story & media format.

The writers can't kill Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Wonder Woman, etc. Not in any permanent way.

The writers of 'Saved by the Bell' were never allowed to kill A.C. Slater, despite appeals from several foreign leaders and a UN resolution.
 
I'll never want to see a movie about the OT characters made ever again. Wasn't it enough that they already ruined them.

Also... I hear the argument a lot that the PT couldn't ever be good or exciting because we knew what happened to characters. I call BS on that, because if that is true then every historical drama and book adaptation can never be good. But... we have plenty of awesome historical movies and book adaptions... and no one had any issues with those because they were done by competent storytellers, actors, and directors. It's a lazy excuse.

The same could have been for the PT if Lucas had realized he's better as the idea guy and let others handle the story and directing like in ESB - I don't really count RotJ, because from what I've read he was a lot more hands on with that one than ESB.

But the OT characters are gone. If Disney is ever going to try to get things back on track they need to realize that the SW galaxy is huge and the races, characters and stories that could be told are vast. I just don't think they have the talent to pull it off... so they will keep beating the naked bones of what used to be a viable universe.
 
Too Much Garlic said:
I'll never want to see a movie about the OT characters made ever again. Wasn't it enough that they already ruined them.

Also... I hear the argument a lot that the PT couldn't ever be good or exciting because we knew what happened to characters. I call BS on that, because if that is true then every historical drama and book adaptation can never be good. But... we have plenty of awesome historical movies and book adaptions... and no one had any issues with those because they were done by competent storytellers, actors, and directors. It's a lazy excuse.

The same could have been for the PT if Lucas had realized he's better as the idea guy and let others handle the story and directing like in ESB - I don't really count RotJ, because from what I've read he was a lot more hands on with that one than ESB.

But the OT characters are gone. If Disney is ever going to try to get things back on track they need to realize that the SW galaxy is huge and the races, characters and stories that could be told are vast. I just don't think they have the talent to pull it off... so they will keep beating the naked bones of what used to be a viable universe.
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In my opinion...let me preface that...it's an opinion for all those that think i speak matter of factly too much...that the PT couldn't ever be good or exciting because the OT sealed the story and most had individual ideas in their heads about what led up to Luke in the original Star Wars. When you take a risk like that to then say "This is what definitively happened" then your bound to leave a lot of fans disappointed before it even starts. I agree wholeheartedly on your other points but if we are going to make a case that the ST should have never touched the original characters then i say that Lucas never should have either but who am i to tell him what to do with his story? It is his. But the OT became "our story" of Star Wars so i feel it didn't need any further adaptations, additions etc.

However, i do agree also wityh your assessment that the PT could have been a lot better. I believe that the PT would have been better if it told the story of Obi-wan kenobi as a boy simultaneous to Anakin Skywalker as a boy and how their paths led up to their first meeting each other...That's it..cut!!! Leave the gap from that point to Luke's birth open to peoples thoughts, we don't need to fill in every blank and by doing so risks watering it down. It's completely unnecessary.
 
Halliwax said:
I would love to see them do a trilogy around dash rendar
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oh come on Halliwax...lol...we know you'd rather have this Trilogy

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Too Much Garlic said:
I'll never want to see a movie about the OT characters made ever again. Wasn't it enough that they already ruined them.

Also... I hear the argument a lot that the PT couldn't ever be good or exciting because we knew what happened to characters. I call BS on that, because if that is true then every historical drama and book adaptation can never be good. But... we have plenty of awesome historical movies and book adaptions... and no one had any issues with those because they were done by competent storytellers, actors, and directors. It's a lazy excuse.

The same could have been for the PT if Lucas had realized he's better as the idea guy and let others handle the story and directing like in ESB - I don't really count RotJ, because from what I've read he was a lot more hands on with that one than ESB.

But the OT characters are gone. If Disney is ever going to try to get things back on track they need to realize that the SW galaxy is huge and the races, characters and stories that could be told are vast. I just don't think they have the talent to pull it off... so they will keep beating the naked bones of what used to be a viable universe.
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Does this mean I can post Trigger pics again?
 
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