DarthWaffles
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Should get some new reference photos from Propstore’s upcoming auction!
Ryan Gosling 'K' - Blade Runner 2049!
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CountLau
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Here, it really looks like a bluish pic from Jameel's uncoated duck, or a waxed greenish cloth from Magnoli...instead SR acrylic coated, I believe it's wonderful but I made it less shiny than this pic somehow (extra matte finish waxing), and WSL seems to have a different look and color, not that close comparing to this pic.
I am selling my k coats here in my area if I find someone really interested (I'm not willing to negotiate the price that much after such an effort to increase the level of the garments).
I have to compliment Jameel again for the work on the details about stitching, and even the exact same eyelet (as you can deduce by extracting an image from the scene of K almost lifeless where Mariette puts her hand back in the pocket where she hid the marker), it's exactly the same model of eyelet...on the details this shows that you have worked really hard...too bad the collar hasn't been updated larger (especially longer and curved on the top side), and the bottom with a larger seamline, different from Magnoli and from the pic you poste above where, as I already pointed out in the past, it has the same width of longitudinal edges.
I recently sent measurements to Indy Magnoli of my body and my twisted SR (which is the one of my k coats with the better fit), since if even without having ever purchased from him yet, I believe that Indy is the man who can be receptive enough, and working with high quality materials (lining included), to nail the most perfect replica if he update some of the pattern (who already seems have overall great fit, with also quite snug sleeves etc) and provide not much of a dark cloth in the correct duck canvas, which I could wax myself with the great Otter method.
Dunno if he'll be willing to radically change his k coat pattern also for other sizes standing at data I sent him, it's up to him, but I believe there're the bases for kinda perfect replica.
I mounted back the original SR shearling after having dyed it a bit, since I figured why, even if not as SA as the one I tracked from ovs, it's been considered also by Adam Savage's tailor in the first instance: mine was thicker and quality, but every SA faux, non real shearling, I think it tends to mattify on the neck a bit sooner or later (probably, even the one of the movie coats), instead of a good real one, which goes a bit over the SA aspect in favor of increasing quality and durability.
Dunno when I'll go for k coat from Indy, I agreed with him and just waiting to eventually see pics of some duck fabrics in the brightness I consider more suitable for me, I'm in no rush of course, but it'd be tomorrow or take ages, since now I have 3 coats already (my selfmade raw version, the heavily modified and distressed BEP from Jameel, and my wonderful SR with pattern updated by me), I don't live alone, not having as much money as a royal scion, and already when I was on my second identical coat and SR still hadn't arrived, I had already been threatened that they would all be thrown into the fire if I dared to get another one into home, so also from common sense and pragmatism my favorite, first I'll sell one or better yet two, then I'll make other purchases for a coat (I would avoid selling my SR, since even not SA in some little aspects, it's too much of a solid and great coat, luckily and perfectly fitting my body).
If someone here will get a coat from the auction, it would be unforgivable if he did not share it in detail on the forum...at the moment I have to stop involving myself directly for the reasons above, but I really hope some of you can get one of those coats
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CountLau
Sr Member
come build k coats...forever...and ever...and ever...
jokes aside, the auction seems to be restricted to you guys in US, by the way.
DarthWaffles can you please recall where did you get that pic? if propstore website, which section? just curious...it looks a lot halfway between Jameel's laminated cotton slub twill, and SR cloth...I'd say differently in the image I posted above...the color debate is still there, though
here I also discovered someone else, in the high-end clothing range, who heavily took inspiration from the movie coat to make a more down-toned, non-SA, everyday casual use coat, which it seems to me made in a cloth that might be the same SR has.
They meant it also as a women/unisex version (first link, the one matched with aviator unisex hat)
Cappello unisex stile AVIATORE in twill e montone
Cappello unisex STILE AVIATORE in tessuto twill e vero montone tessuto twill e montone
never-enough.it
Cappotto uomo in tessuto twill coat e vero montone MCL001
Cappotto in tessuto twill effetto cerato e vero montone
never-enough.it
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DarthWaffles
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CountLau
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pics shown by propstore, are the best I've ever seen to get ideas, I would advise the most capable producers (namely Indy and Jameel, since SR and WSL don't seem to listen, I hope for their sake I'm wrong), to duly re-evaluate how useful it is based on what is more than evident now.
First of all, the shirt seems more bluish than the dark grey-black Theory one (which is fantastic), the gloves are the same as mine (real leather, a contradiction, unless in the end even animals can make synthetic ones like humans and tan their skins), the trousers are the easiest part I would say (one of the ones I have is practically identical), staying on topic, so on the coat:
- the colour is practically identical to the current condition of my SR, but as I said, it gives a more saturated light, surely given by the fact that it is duck, I would say waxed with a classic method (like Otter or waxes of that kind), I certainly wouldn't say native because they wrote in other articles about how "they had sent it to be waterproofed", so the SR gives a slightly different effect, this is perhaps given by an interlining used underneath on the fabric to make it more stable and full in appearance, which also gives that light piping effect that is surely a little less accentuated than mine with the shoelaces on the SR (which however was necessary as it is SR totally lacking that kind of support for the fabric, while Jameel has intelligently used foam as well as some thick interlining on the edges), so I would say that the methods seen are fine, for what it can be done from the position of a hobbyist, in fact they are very good; when it was said that it doesn't shine, I would say that there is a certain shine effect, my SR from the pics I can take, I would say that on that aspect it is practically on the same level, maybe even the less dark green that Indy uses, Jameel's duck (both waxed and unwaxed) instead seems too dry to me (maybe it could be improved by waxing it, if it doesn't darken too much), WSL no I would say just another type of green, even though we saw an excellent result by waxing it...probably I am also wrong to insist about a lighter color (not so dark as it was Jameel's laminated twill, but the other colors from k coat noticeable vendors, especially SR, seem to nail it)
- the collar in the end is much longer on the upper length, than any replica I have seen (even the SR, which I was able to modify precisely because it seems long to finish tight), on this no one seems to have understood well how much (much) longer that measurement must be to have that effect (the photos of it closed speak very clearly), maybe although the lapels and how the fur is sewn don't make sense to me, the only one who came close enough at least in the right proportions is Indy (Jameel's collar barely closes not only on mine I would say, the SR one is wrong, you have room to modify it, but anyway, as long as it is, it should be on that side, even more, WSL basically seems to me to give it on the tight side, then those who fight for it and also luck, maybe get it as they want, but with ifs and buts you don't get anywhere)
- the sleeves don't seem to be as tight as SR and WSL, it seems that they almost give Jameel reason to have left them wider, anyway apart from SA or not, on my SR they look very tight on me, it goes back to the discussion that if you are not Gosling with the exact arm that he had at that given moment, it will never fit you the same
- the precise shape of the cuffs, only Indy got it right, the other 3 are also fine, but it has a stylised curvature that in theory follows a certain precise model
- the edges on the bottom, which must be equal to the longitudinal length (exactly how I tweaked my coats), basically only Indy got them right, the others had a different edge (wider), furthermore it is quite taut, in fact my having tried to stiffening the SR (and succeeding, even if it already had a more composed setting compared to Jameel's coat) seems to me to give a really good effect, even Indy's coats go in that direction, and all in all, Jameel's ducks have a greater posture, it must be said that WSL seems in some cases quite solid and tight (which helps, but I see it slightly different), and SR can be ironed if desired (I did it after washing it as soon as I received it, then after the extra waxing and the various improvements, that's it)
- the fur seems to be a cross between the beautiful one I tracked from OVS and Jameel's super yellow one, then heavily worked on the distressing, I think I can see some signs of felting, I don't think it is exempt from ruining prematurely like the others, the effect is cool, however I don't regret having put the real shearling back on SR, it certainly lasts longer and after working it a bit, it still gives an excellent effect, so going a bit beyond the SA aspect
- there's no incremental cut at the bottom longer on the front or, if there is, very little (my two coats now have it, it's not that evident, that's fine with me anyway)
- the lines of the lapels and collar are pretty straight, not as curved as SR before I fixed it, and even those of other manufacturers, except maybe WSL, seem a bit too curved compared to here
- the setting of the double transverse waist seams of SR is too double-breasted, but I have to say that on me I can see them very well, I even increased it a bit when I fixed the eyelet and magnets, it makes it a bit more "neo" and less "k" (very tight at the sides of abdomen), but I can see them well, the eyelet as I said, is exactly the same as the one (at least on mine) that Jameel used, then it would be nice to try it and understand what real practical problems it would have by always using it
- the lining (2 inner pockets) is perhaps the best and closest to Indy, it doesn't seem super padded but still gives a great posture with some folds but without going overboard, especially the upper external corners under the shoulder panel, it seems that it is slightly superior to that of anyone I have seen producing replicas, and even by increasing the padding, I can't match the exact effect, maybe even a matter of shoulder panel measurements fine understanding
That said, well...in fact I don't know how much better I could have compared to my current SR...anyway as I was saying, here there is no scion of the moment, so I fear that I will settle, or I will continue to modify details on the coats forever (10k...), and it's mostly for collectors I'd say, since you cannot choose the size of course
First of all, the shirt seems more bluish than the dark grey-black Theory one (which is fantastic), the gloves are the same as mine (real leather, a contradiction, unless in the end even animals can make synthetic ones like humans and tan their skins), the trousers are the easiest part I would say (one of the ones I have is practically identical), staying on topic, so on the coat:
- the colour is practically identical to the current condition of my SR, but as I said, it gives a more saturated light, surely given by the fact that it is duck, I would say waxed with a classic method (like Otter or waxes of that kind), I certainly wouldn't say native because they wrote in other articles about how "they had sent it to be waterproofed", so the SR gives a slightly different effect, this is perhaps given by an interlining used underneath on the fabric to make it more stable and full in appearance, which also gives that light piping effect that is surely a little less accentuated than mine with the shoelaces on the SR (which however was necessary as it is SR totally lacking that kind of support for the fabric, while Jameel has intelligently used foam as well as some thick interlining on the edges), so I would say that the methods seen are fine, for what it can be done from the position of a hobbyist, in fact they are very good; when it was said that it doesn't shine, I would say that there is a certain shine effect, my SR from the pics I can take, I would say that on that aspect it is practically on the same level, maybe even the less dark green that Indy uses, Jameel's duck (both waxed and unwaxed) instead seems too dry to me (maybe it could be improved by waxing it, if it doesn't darken too much), WSL no I would say just another type of green, even though we saw an excellent result by waxing it...probably I am also wrong to insist about a lighter color (not so dark as it was Jameel's laminated twill, but the other colors from k coat noticeable vendors, especially SR, seem to nail it)
- the collar in the end is much longer on the upper length, than any replica I have seen (even the SR, which I was able to modify precisely because it seems long to finish tight), on this no one seems to have understood well how much (much) longer that measurement must be to have that effect (the photos of it closed speak very clearly), maybe although the lapels and how the fur is sewn don't make sense to me, the only one who came close enough at least in the right proportions is Indy (Jameel's collar barely closes not only on mine I would say, the SR one is wrong, you have room to modify it, but anyway, as long as it is, it should be on that side, even more, WSL basically seems to me to give it on the tight side, then those who fight for it and also luck, maybe get it as they want, but with ifs and buts you don't get anywhere)
- the sleeves don't seem to be as tight as SR and WSL, it seems that they almost give Jameel reason to have left them wider, anyway apart from SA or not, on my SR they look very tight on me, it goes back to the discussion that if you are not Gosling with the exact arm that he had at that given moment, it will never fit you the same
- the precise shape of the cuffs, only Indy got it right, the other 3 are also fine, but it has a stylised curvature that in theory follows a certain precise model
- the edges on the bottom, which must be equal to the longitudinal length (exactly how I tweaked my coats), basically only Indy got them right, the others had a different edge (wider), furthermore it is quite taut, in fact my having tried to stiffening the SR (and succeeding, even if it already had a more composed setting compared to Jameel's coat) seems to me to give a really good effect, even Indy's coats go in that direction, and all in all, Jameel's ducks have a greater posture, it must be said that WSL seems in some cases quite solid and tight (which helps, but I see it slightly different), and SR can be ironed if desired (I did it after washing it as soon as I received it, then after the extra waxing and the various improvements, that's it)
- the fur seems to be a cross between the beautiful one I tracked from OVS and Jameel's super yellow one, then heavily worked on the distressing, I think I can see some signs of felting, I don't think it is exempt from ruining prematurely like the others, the effect is cool, however I don't regret having put the real shearling back on SR, it certainly lasts longer and after working it a bit, it still gives an excellent effect, so going a bit beyond the SA aspect
- there's no incremental cut at the bottom longer on the front or, if there is, very little (my two coats now have it, it's not that evident, that's fine with me anyway)
- the lines of the lapels and collar are pretty straight, not as curved as SR before I fixed it, and even those of other manufacturers, except maybe WSL, seem a bit too curved compared to here
- the setting of the double transverse waist seams of SR is too double-breasted, but I have to say that on me I can see them very well, I even increased it a bit when I fixed the eyelet and magnets, it makes it a bit more "neo" and less "k" (very tight at the sides of abdomen), but I can see them well, the eyelet as I said, is exactly the same as the one (at least on mine) that Jameel used, then it would be nice to try it and understand what real practical problems it would have by always using it
- the lining (2 inner pockets) is perhaps the best and closest to Indy, it doesn't seem super padded but still gives a great posture with some folds but without going overboard, especially the upper external corners under the shoulder panel, it seems that it is slightly superior to that of anyone I have seen producing replicas, and even by increasing the padding, I can't match the exact effect, maybe even a matter of shoulder panel measurements fine understanding
That said, well...in fact I don't know how much better I could have compared to my current SR...anyway as I was saying, here there is no scion of the moment, so I fear that I will settle, or I will continue to modify details on the coats forever (10k...), and it's mostly for collectors I'd say, since you cannot choose the size of course
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achilles
New Member
There are four K coats available with this auction matched to different scenes and in increasing stages of distressing. Very interesting to study the pictures. Also interesting that the description says "black leather insulated coat" when it clearly isn't black or leather.
Still, would be a good time to win the lottery, right?
Still, would be a good time to win the lottery, right?
CountLau
Sr Member
the black sweater is a "James Perse", but there're more than 2 different types though...(1k$!)
yes it's misleading to write "black leather": if you zoom in, it's easy to see the weave of the cotton, so it's feaseble to trust the articles where they said they didn't use leather...but the more that I look at the cloth, the more I'm convincing myself Magnoli's duck green is the real winner of the cloth debate...SR is terrific, but it's basically different
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TangoGirafarig
Active Member
the auctions are very commonly mislabeled or flat out wrong, looking at the doctor who one they labelled a complete costume worn by Jodie Whittaker (the first woman to play the role) as belonging to the previous actor to play the role Peter Capaldi (a man and probably a good 6 inches taller)
CountLau
Sr Member
so maybe the production directly commissioned a local costume manufacturer right there in Budapest where they filmed.
It would be plausible...if anyone had known, we all should have written for info (the replica producers first)...materials, details...if anyone ever answered, all the doubts would've been cleared
coop5150
Well-Known Member
So the auction shows some great looks at the sweaters in the movie. It looks like there are three Rag & Bone Avery sweaters listed, 2 of which are the charcoal color and one is closer to the navy? One of them has the color stitched together in the back to make it tighter around the neck. Thoughts on the color and if we were wrong about the navy color this entire time? Or did they use a navy and a charcoal?
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joberg
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CountLau
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I guess that, but, even if on the web you can find some traces of that "Jez-Mel Bt" which also confirm the address, I cannot read nothing about how to contact them...if something was shown, I think I already spent enough and could settle on my coats (possibly selling them soon and buy a possible last one from Indy, making it the closer one to everything I aim), but I would...I think everyone still here on the thread, would be glad to have exact infos about all this debateWell, now it would be easy to contact these people about the coat
achilles
New Member
Yes, the "Jel-Mez" sticker caught my eye, too. But it does lead nowhere. Even if we were to find the manufacturer of the coat in Hungary, I am certain industry insiders want only to be available for insiders for a reason. Costume Designer Renée April doesn't leave her contact details out in the open, either. And maybe there are NDAs in effect as well.
The Propstore auction gives us some really high quality pictures to study, which is nice.
At least on the four coats on offer, the left side of the collar does not overextend beyond the left lapel and the collar could be worn up and down. We already knew that the collar is detached from the lapel in the Sapper's Farm Scene and they left it this way for the auction.
The Propstore auction gives us some really high quality pictures to study, which is nice.
At least on the four coats on offer, the left side of the collar does not overextend beyond the left lapel and the collar could be worn up and down. We already knew that the collar is detached from the lapel in the Sapper's Farm Scene and they left it this way for the auction.
All I can find on them is
JEL-MEZ BT.
COPY OF REGISTER
County:
Budapest
Address:
1089 , Benyovszky M. u. 6.
Classification Manufacturer, Service provider
Activity, services: MANUFACTURE AND RENTING OF COSTUMES
Products: COSTUMES
JEL-MEZ BT.
COPY OF REGISTER
County:
Budapest
Address:
1089 , Benyovszky M. u. 6.
Classification Manufacturer, Service provider
Activity, services: MANUFACTURE AND RENTING OF COSTUMES
Products: COSTUMES
CountLau
Sr Member
Yes I think the same about the collar.
Many of of the images show that base length of the collar, it actually goes over the left lapel, but very little, it's almost the same length. SR length is great for that detail. But the upper length it's another story: to have that shape and fit like Gosling in the fog, mine should be at least 3-4cm longer (and a bit curved behing the neck probably).
And I'm talking about my SR which is the one with the best collar I have in my coats: Jameel's one it's really too tight (it stretched a bit somehow by all the work I did on it, it's kinda cotton-spandex material and after the waxing, now it barely closes at least), and I guess WSL might have the same problem, if you don't manage to receive it longer since they may not listen to instructions properly
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CountLau
Sr Member
it's what I was trying to track a while ago...no ph n. no mail nothing at all
