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It depends. And a LOT depends on state law.

First, it depends on the nature of the online conduct itself. It may be that there are state laws that generally protect employees from employer regulation of certain conduct. There are certainly federal laws that do in some limited instances (e.g., the National Labor Relations Act protects employees engaged in "concerted activity" which is where more than one employee talks about working conditions and such. That's been extended to social media activity by the National Labor Relations Board in the past, but usually when you're complaining about things like "They don't pay us enough for this s***" or whathaveyou. It's really fact-dependent, though.

State laws may go beyond that.

Then there's the question of, ok, you've got a law on the books that says an employer can't prohibit an employee from doing X, but can an employee willingly contract that away? That's a question that's usually resolved by state caselaw where past court cases interpret the meaning of statutory/regulatory language and apply it to specific fact patterns. Most of the time when a law says "employers can't do X," there's a public policy basis for courts to say "They passed this law for XYZ reason, so you can't just allow employees to contract that away," but that's not always the case.

And separate from all of that, of course, is the Federal Arbitration Act which will kick a lot of stuff to arbitration (and out of the public eye) if you signed an arbitration clause, except in very limited circumstances (I think only when the conduct in question falls outside of the scope of the contract itself). As has been mentioned, Disney almost certainly had a conduct clause (regardless of whether it's enforceable), which would mean this probably falls under the scope of the contract and therefore gets roped into arbitration.


That'd be....surprising.

There's a concept in the law called the "statute of frauds" which generally means that most verbal agreements are nonbinding. Typically stuff dealing with real estate or anything else worth more than, like, $500 falls into that. Of course, that all depends on state law application of general contract law concepts, but by and large, that's what you learn in 1st year of law school: verbal contracts ain't worth the paper they're printed on.

Especially for something like this, if they told Carano "Yeah, yeah, we'll give you a show later," it's unlikely that that'd count as a verbal contract that's enforceable. I mean, I had a law school professor who called California "Crazyland" for their various state laws, but I'd be very surprised to learn that, in the home of the entertainment industry, mere verbal statements of "We'll do a movie together" could somehow be legally binding.

This last part here is the meat of the case, yeah, but just looking at the statutes on their face doesn't really tell you a ton without knowing how California courts actually interpret and apply those concepts.

So, for example, the portion about "participating in politics." What actually counts? Presumably it'd be a slam-dunk if Carano was fired for, for example, supporting XYZ candidate's campaign by contributing money and/or volunteering to knock doors for them. But does that extend to just BSing online? I don't know. You'd figure there'd be caselaw on this, but maybe not.

Second, what does "adopting a course or line of political action" actually mean as interpreted by courts? Does that include general social media activity? Would it include, say, poking fun at XYZ group? Like, if Carano had said something overtly, unquestionably racist, is that "political action"? Again, I dunno, and it depends on existing caselaw.

My point in all of this is that while it might seem obvious that she can say what she wants on her own time....that's not necessarily the case (A) if there's a conduct clause in her contract, and (B) the conduct in question doesn't otherwise fall within the scope of those statutory protections. And I wouldn't bet that it does, depending on which posts we're talking about.

Separate from that, I don't know how CA law interprets this stuff when you aren't talking about salaried work, but rather are talking about "gig" work (so to speak). Like, they hired her to do a discrete job. She did that. They'd talked about doing something else, then said "Nah, we don't like how you comport yourself online. We're done."

Does that entitle her to relief? That's a much more thorny question than an employee who, say, works for Hobby Lobby as a full-time employee, volunteers for a trans political candidate, and is fired because of it.

I am not in any position to tell if this is a slam-dunk or not. I was mainly responding to your initial assessment that the case for Carano was specious at best.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that, while no company is obliged to continue business with anybody, Disney, in their public statement about Carano acted as the engine for this lawsuit. Implicit in that statement is their prior intent to have kept Carano for future projects as well as their reason for change being retaliatory in nature.
 
I am not in any position to tell if this is a slam-dunk or not. I was mainly responding to your initial assessment that the case for Carano was specious at best.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that, while no company is obliged to continue business with anybody, Disney, in their public statement about Carano acted as the engine for this lawsuit. Implicit in that statement is their prior intent to have kept Carano for future projects as well as their reason for change being retaliatory in nature.
Kinda.

I think the record's been muddied through the passage of time. Here's a link to the Hollywood Reporter article wherein LFL announced her filing.

The precise satement, issued on Feburary 10, is "Gina Carano is not currently employed by Lucasfilm and there are no plans for her to be in the future." It's later in that statement that they say "Nevertheless, her social media posts denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities are abhorrent and unacceptable."

Now, first, I need to say that I have not read the entirety of her initial filing, so I haven't dug into the facts. I might change my attitude if I did. I've shifted my views on whether she has a case on its face, given the nature of the laws in CA. She may have a case based on those laws, or at least she can say "Court, please give me my job back" and it's less absurd given the content of the CA law. But as I said, a lot depends on how those laws get interpreted.

So, what's that all gonna mean?

For starters, she'll have to survive a motion to dismiss. This is a pretrial motion that will basically argue "The thing you're asking for doesn't work like that/can't be given by this court/isn't properly pled" or something along those lines. These are decisions that are purely ones of legal and procedural construction. In other words, they don't analyze the facts at all. With a motion to dismiss, the parties are basically saying "Forget the facts. The case just isn't there." Like, if I sue you for winning an ebay auction I wanted and I claim that you engaged in fraud by sniping me, I can file a lawsuit, but it won't survive a motion to dismiss because you can just say "Without regard to the facts, ebay sniping doesn't constitute fraud as a legal matter."

Without knowing how CA law treats the kind of work that Carano did/was doing with LFL, it's hard to say whether the case gets bounced on a motion to dismiss. For example, if the law doesn't define any contract work as "employment" then she's hosed. In other words, if I hire a general contractor to repoint my bricks and fix a leak, that's not "employment" under the law at all. Or maybe the law treats it as employment while the job is ongoing, but doesn't treat it as "employment" once the job is finished. So you fix the leak, repoint my bricks and...then we're done. Are you "employed"? No? Well then I can't have "fired" you if I didn't hire you to do another job down the road. If that's how the laws work in CA, then she'd fail on a motion to dismiss and that'd be the end of the case.

But if the law treats "employment" to include some potential discussions about future jobs, then it becomes a question of fact: was she in fact employed when the alleged "termination" happened? If the discussions of future projects might, in some instances, be treated as "employment," then we now have to investigate the specific facts as to the nature of those talks, and whether they meet whatever the definition of "employment" is. And then that gets you to the next question, which is, if she was employed, can it be shown that, in fact, she was terminated because of the tweets or was it because of something else.

After discovery is done, you'd file motions for summary judgment, which basically says to the court "Look, there is zero way that any reasonable jury could reach any other conclusion apart from deciding I win, so there's no need for a trial," and the judge evaluates the facts in the light most favorable to the opposing party, and then decides. Maybe she'd survive that, maybe she wouldn't. We don't know because that's all very fact-specific.

And, of course, all of this presumes that the case doesn't get bounced on a separate motion: motion to compel arbitration, in which case the only facts and law that matters are whether the contract had an arbitration clause sufficient to put it under the Fed. Arbitration Act, and if so, whether the conduct was something that fell within the scope of the arbitration clause. Under arbitration, parties can still be bound by state laws (for purposes of deciding an outcome), but again the whole thing is private and not a matter of public record.
 
The thing with being in a famous position like Mark, is that you really cannot have a spontaneous reaction to ANYTHING after a few years of it. It's effectively impossible because of the sheer chronic exposure.

It's like meeting a guy who is 7 feet tall - What ice-breaking comment could you say (about his height) that he hasn't heard before? It's not just that he's already heard your first comment, it's that he's heard your first 20 comments. Dozens/hundreds of times. He already knows your question. He already has a habitual answer for it. He may be able to guess the followup question that his answer will provoke. He's so practiced that this that he can probably steer the direction/tone of the conversation while he's at it.

Look at Tom Wilson. He wrote a whole song about the standard set of 'Back to the Future' questions that people ask him.

Mark Hamill? He got dressed up in a really convincing Luke Skywalker costume back in 1977. And then he stayed in the costume every, all day, for the rest of his life.
Tell him you loved him in Slipstream! No WAY he's expecting that! :)
 
Here working on my AT-ST being smashed, and loaded all the songs I have from movie soundtracks.....687 songs, all on random.
So it plays this one from Kill Bill. (although, found out its a much older song just used in Kill Bill. Figures really)
and then play this song....which has nearly the same tune....and totally changes the feeling after listening to the Kill Bill one.
I love playing songs, sometimes all 8000+ songs on random and how it might pair two songs you never even thought to be similar.
 
Anyone into the Star Wars Black Series 6 inch figure line? Perhaps with knowledge of what figures they plan to make? I just got Aayla Secura. I'm hoping that they make Barriss, Luminara, and Shaak Ti. They seem to have a lot of figures from recent series. Did they say or tease anything about those female Prequel Jedi?
 
I have collected 6 inch in the past... but with the recent price increases and my narrow focus on what i will collect..(i have stayed to the OT imperial and pre OT side... i have pretty much stopped collecting the Black Series 6 inches. I still look to see whats new or coming or the box art etc..
On that note, i dont know of any Barriss, Luminara, or Shaak Ti figures in the line. I know they have a few in the 3 3/4 line, but not in the 6 line.
You can find some pretty good information on JediTempleArchives.com and they have a substantial list of all TBS6 there.
 
I have collected 6 inch in the past... but with the recent price increases and my narrow focus on what i will collect..(i have stayed to the OT imperial and pre OT side... i have pretty much stopped collecting the Black Series 6 inches. I still look to see whats new or coming or the box art etc..
On that note, i dont know of any Barriss, Luminara, or Shaak Ti figures in the line. I know they have a few in the 3 3/4 line, but not in the 6 line.
You can find some pretty good information on JediTempleArchives.com and they have a substantial list of all TBS6 there.

I just picked up a used (but essentially new), 7 inch Boba Fett ROTJ that was sold at the Disney stores, made by Diamond Select. So, it's out of scale with the 6 inch line but is really nice and detailed.

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I have collected 6 inch in the past... but with the recent price increases and my narrow focus on what i will collect..(i have stayed to the OT imperial and pre OT side... i have pretty much stopped collecting the Black Series 6 inches. I still look to see whats new or coming or the box art etc..
On that note, i dont know of any Barriss, Luminara, or Shaak Ti figures in the line. I know they have a few in the 3 3/4 line, but not in the 6 line.
You can find some pretty good information on JediTempleArchives.com and they have a substantial list of all TBS6 there.
I was obsessed with the retro collection… now there 11/12 bucks a piece I can’t believe it.. I stopped because i just can’t justify spending that kind of money just to keep figures in the box

I still look at the toy isle when I go to any big box store; I couldn’t believe the 6” prices!!!
 
I have collected 6 inch in the past... but with the recent price increases and my narrow focus on what i will collect..(i have stayed to the OT imperial and pre OT side... i have pretty much stopped collecting the Black Series 6 inches. I still look to see whats new or coming or the box art etc..
On that note, i dont know of any Barriss, Luminara, or Shaak Ti figures in the line. I know they have a few in the 3 3/4 line, but not in the 6 line.
You can find some pretty good information on JediTempleArchives.com and they have a substantial list of all TBS6 there.

Thanks for that site. It's just a bit of nostalgia as I have the smaller figures of the three female Jedi from back when Attack of the Clones was released. This 6 inch Aayla is pretty good. I would prefer a Hot Toys but I know we aren't going to get that.

I just picked up a used (but essentially new), 7 inch Boba Fett ROTJ that was sold at the Disney stores, made by Diamond Select. So, it's out of scale with the 6 inch line but is really nice and detailed.

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That does look like a good figure. I'm still considering getting the prototype Black Series Boba Fett. But I'll look into this line.

I was obsessed with the retro collection… now there 11/12 bucks a piece I can’t believe it.. I stopped because i just can’t justify spending that kind of money just to keep figures in the box

I still look at the toy isle when I go to any big box store; I couldn’t believe the 6” prices!!!

I got Aayla on discount. But they are overpriced even for the larger scale. I found some vintage 80s figures with attached price tags. Then ran the numbers through an inflation calculator. And was fairly shocked. When you add in that many don't have a lot of accessories let alone alternate hands so they don't have that action figure look all the time. There really isn't a reason to pay full price for these figures. Unless they make it limited for some reason.
 
If your going to spend more than 20 on a figure go big and order the figurearts action figures. The image face painting technique they created really does make the figure feel like little mini humans.

Hasbro created their own version of that technique but it's pointless since it doesn't align with the face which is the entire point of the technology. So your spending extra money for that new tech that is broken.
 
I was obsessed with the retro collection… now there 11/12 bucks a piece I can’t believe it.. I stopped because i just can’t justify spending that kind of money just to keep figures in the box

I still look at the toy isle when I go to any big box store; I couldn’t believe the 6” prices!!!
I've been browsing Ebay and Mercari for older figures. I decided if I'm going to pay 14, 15,16 dollars a figure, I might as well get the figures I wanted as a kid.
 
I just picked up a used (but essentially new), 7 inch Boba Fett ROTJ that was sold at the Disney stores, made by Diamond Select. So, it's out of scale with the 6 inch line but is really nice and detailed.

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There are two pegs full of 6-inch Boba's at one of my local Walmarts. I'm waiting for them to go on discount. Nobody's buying them.
 
I've been browsing Ebay and Mercari for older figures. I decided if I'm going to pay 14, 15,16 dollars a figure, I might as well get the figures I wanted as a kid.
I want to grab a bunch of new retro storm troopers for my display case, to place them behind Gideon… but man.. 35 bucks a piece is crazy for troopers..
 
I’m hoping there is a file to resin print then somewhere… I don’t even need articulation, I want want them standing behind him…
 
I stopped collecting figures around 2007 when my nephew was 4yo and he got them all. I have been tempted buy a few of the 6" figures like Mara Jade, Revan, Malak, HK-47, and the Republic Commando figures. I just keep thinking it would be weird to just have like five, and that's it.
 
I stopped collecting figures around 2007 when my nephew was 4yo and he got them all. I have been tempted buy a few of the 6" figures like Mara Jade, Revan, Malak, HK-47, and the Republic Commando figures. I just keep thinking it would be weird to just have like five, and that's it.
I'm afraid to fall down the rabbit hole.... 3.75 and LEGO Star Wars is costly enough.
 
I stopped collecting figures around 2007 when my nephew was 4yo and he got them all. I have been tempted buy a few of the 6" figures like Mara Jade, Revan, Malak, HK-47, and the Republic Commando figures. I just keep thinking it would be weird to just have like five, and that's it.
Not weird at all man to have a few figures,sometimes less is more.I sold 700 figures and kept 14,plan on selling 300 clones and imperials while maybe keeping 5.I too have thought about buying a few 6" figures like Bastila and Malak and calling it good.Go for it!
 
Yeah for $25 to $40 for one 6inch figure, I will never buy one in the store at normal price... if i can even find one that i want on the hanger.
Hasbro priced me out of the market a while ago and i wont buy one off the shelf.
If i want one bad enough, Ill wait until they inevitably hit clearance, or ill find a used one after-market.
As it is now, i have found i am wanting them a lot less. I just dont want a bunch of boxes on the shelf and i dont want boxes in my garage that i cant see. I love the larger vehicles and mounts, but im not paying 100+ for these either. I either want one for display or i dont want one at all.
I mean, come on... what is cooler than a Dewback with a trooper on it with a couple other troopers around?
Or what is better than a Snowspeeder with Luke and Dack and Wedge hanging out?
Or Han on a TaunTaun with a probe droid?
Or a couple speeder bikes with a couple scouts and an officer?
Maybe my old diorama model building days are still a part of me.

There is a ton of potential, but the toy/collector market has not kept value above interest.
And i cannot see a parent spending 100 for a kid to play with a piece of plastic. Its clearly for a collector now.
I remember seeing the first Black Series Tie Fighter at TRU for 150 and they had 2 on the shelf.
That was unaffordable for me then and it still is now.
OK You got me, i hate the First Order and i wouldnt have purchased anyways..

I was looking at some old toy ads the other day... i still cannot believe the old Cobra Hydrofoil was only 18 bucks... and the Joe hovercraft was 25?
The original snowspeeder was 13 and the Falcon was 27!
I also remember we could not afford to get everything i thought was cool, and my parents had to splurge for Christmas.
So even without inflation, 25 was a lot of money.
But i could still find a figure for about $2.99 and that was amazing as a kid. $5 allowance went a long ways. Now it just might buy a coffee.
What 8 year old has $25 in his pocket and wants a Lando?

Now i find myself wanting a prop or a costume and i want to build it as real as it gets.
My adult fights with my child a lot. :p
 
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