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Riceball
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The thing that you and a lot of older fans are forgetting/overlooking is that Rey has a big following amongst the younger generation, particularly young girls. So while a Rey movie might not appeal to the older generation of fans like us old farts here on the RPF, I can almost guarantee you that there's a lot of kids out there, and some adults, who'd love to see a Rey film. And it's these fans, particularly the young ones, that Disney is looking to with all of their ST era productions, they clearly see them as the future of the franchise, they're going to grow up to be the next us and will probably end up griping about how the sequel sequel trilogy sucks so much compared to the original sequel trilogy or the OST.
No… I have not forgotten or over looking Rey having a big following.. my girlfriend loved Rey. My niece loves Rey, and I love Rey when she’s wearing skin tight pants
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Joek3rr
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In terms of film making, maybe. But in terms of Star Wars. Him and George pretty much have the opposite views. George sees the Jedi as being the heroes in the Prequels. Dave's sees them as being lost. George says the Jedi were right in fighting to protect the Republic. Dave says they were wrong to fight. George says Anakin is ultimately responsible for his fall. Dave tried to blame everyone else, including the Jedi for Anakin's fall.
There's a lot of anti-Jedi feelings from fans. And it almost comes from Dave's portrayals of the Jedi order. Heck I used to be in 'the Jedi were lost and misguided' camp. I would whip out episodes of TCW to support my argument.
And this is position that Lucasfilm has taken. Here's the first paragraph from "The Fall of the Jedi" in the new Star Wars Timelines book.
"The Republic appears at peace, defended by the Jedi Knights. But a hidden Sith Lord, Darth Sidious, is building power and plotting to destroy the Jedi. Led by Yoda, the Jedi have grown remote from those they serve, heedless of growing corruption and lawlessness-and blind to the plot against their Order."
That's Filoni-isms right there. That's not how George saw things.
Joek3rr
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Dave tries to say that the Duel of the Fates, is called such because the fate of the galaxy is at hand. With Qui-Gon's death, Anakin's fate is cemented. Which is completely contrary to what George said. George says Anakin's fall was gradual, and the result of series of poor choices on Anakin's part. Not the result of one duel.Whats the context for this? Is he saying Anakin should have been at the fight between two jedi and a Sith?
Yeah, Filloni is an overrated fraud who is only praised because he isnt Kathleen Kennedy. Had he been at the helm from the beginning, we probably would have gotten something similar but replace Rey with Ashoka (ok to be fair, the ST might have had an actual story and not the jumbled mess we got with Kennedy).
I only think KK is pushing a Rey film as a power play. Just as Luke is a Lucas expy, Rey is KK’s character so Rey being marginalized and replaced by Ashoka as the lead would symbolically represent Filloni pushing Kennedy out to take the lead. Kennedy probably hopes that if the Rey film is a success, she would still remain as the head of Lucasfilm creatively.
Yeah, Filloni wears the “apprentice of George Lucas” as a badge of his own legitimacy, essentially using it as an excuse to say he is George’s successor so he can make decisions in the story when even George wanted him to do otherwise, the big one being to keep Ahsoka alive but “expelled” from the jedi vs Lucas who wanted her dead.
Filoni Says George Lucas is '"Full-On 'Ahsoka Dies' Camp'"
Dave Filoni has confirmed George Lucas wanted to kill Ahsoka Tano, meaning she could not have appeared in 'The Mandalorian.' Details here.insidethemagic.net
Filloni and Facreau were also responsible for the mess that was the Kenobi tv show, notably cutting scenes with Ray Parker reprising Maul and the focus on Obi Wan and Luke because it was “similar ground” to Mando. Filloni also worked to get Vader into the show when he wasnt originally going to be there, hence resulting in that plot hole where Obi Wan is able to defeat Vader in a duel but doesnt kill him because reasons (so OT can happen).
Honestly, Kennedy vs Filloni running Star Wars would only result in Rey or Ahsoka being the new focal point leading the Star Wars franchise which we already see. The Star Wars we enjoyed has already ended and thats ok. Stories can end. I dont see Filloni or Kennedy doing it justice.
Jaitea
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Jaitea
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We will see when the Rey film hits the cinemas, I honestly don't think it will be a success
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Solo4114
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The thing about "George thought..." is that, well, George thought a lot of things and they often weren't consistent with the last thing he thought.
Riceball
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I think that it might so long as Disney is able to keep the budget down and make it a "smaller" film, so to speak.
With Kennedy in charge? Never gonna happen.
Even if they start with a small budget, it will be a big one by the time they reshoot 60% of the movie and then rush the VFX work to meet the release date.
Joek3rr
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Yep sometimes he is wildly inconsistent. Other times he's very consistent. For instance he's been saying, at least from 2005 to 2021, that Anakin's fall, was on him. Because he was to selfish and greedy. George hasn't changed on that position. But Dave tries to take blame off of Anakin completely. And would rather blame the Jedi order for Anakin's fall.
Point well taken.
In SW film canon Red Leader never said that he knew Luke's father, and when the cut scene was added to the 1997 Special Edition release, they edited out the "I met your father once when I was just a boy" line altogether where an inserted foreground character obscures the cut (notice that R2 jumps up several frames during the awkward transition). So then original scene we saw above never "happened" in the SW universe, and there is no indication that anyone other than Kenobi, Owen and Beru knew about Anakin. See the "official" scene with the clumsy edit below.
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Well to a point, but the Prequels do make it clear that Yoda is concerned that a lot of the Jedi are full of themselves. He pretty much said they have strayed from the true path of a Jedi. Of course, that's Yoda's fault also. I wouldn't have a problem if that was the view of a character, but it shouldn't be inserted by the writer/director to put forth their personal interpretation vs. how Lucas intended. I remember Jedi fans hating Karen Traviss when the Republic Commando novels were out, saying she hated Jedi. SHE didn't, the Mando's and some clones in her stories did because of how they were being used, the Jedi being seemingly oblivious to what was happening, etc.
HeartBlade
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I see although I disagree. I do think Lucas did say that had Qui Gon trained Anakin, he maybe wouldnt have fallen to the dark side but thats a big maybe and there are a ton of other factors that contributed to Anakin’s fall.
More like IF lol. KK has promised and underdelivered so much its really hard to put any stock in what she says. She promised a RJ trilogy, a Benioff and Weiss trilogy (the GOT guys), a Rogue Squadron series, etc. All up in smoke and likely cancelled.
If going by just the movies, the jedi seem more blinded rather than corrupt or full of themselves. The council doesnt believe the Sith have returned in episode 1 because they havent existed for millennia but Yoda points out its hard to see the dark side and the council allocates resources to finding if a Sith actually exists (so its not like they are do nothing executives that dismiss Qui Gon).
They are open to testing Anakin but reject him because he has too much fear as well as being too old, having too many previous connections which is what happens (Anakin fears losing his mom which he does which continues his downward spiral with his fear of losing Padme).
Pretty sure Yoda also mentions that the council is losing their foresight from seeing into the force and plan to tell the Chancellor this, something that a corrupt institution would not do (this gets delayed because of the clone wars).
The jedi council making corrupt and dumb decisions like keeping the source of the clone army secret, banishing Ahsoka, jedi abusing clones, etc are all from the Clone Wars series.
Is that landspeeder on blocks a photo shop job, or is that a legit picture? I have never seen it on blocks before
....and change the director.
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