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The race that was in that craft created the aliens as a weapon that got loose... and it wasn't Predators.

Where do you get that from? Couldn't it be, that the homeworld was "infacted" by the Aliens and this race was on the run to an other planet? And before they crashed in the planetsurface the Aliens kill everythin in the ship! Maybe it was so....

I think the story that the Predators farmed that Aliens to hunt them is not so stupid. *like in AVP*
 
Where do you get that from? Couldn't it be, that the homeworld was "infacted" by the Aliens and this race was on the run to an other planet?


Well, if you look at the first Alien movie and that derelict spacecraft's design, how much of a resemblance the entire interior of the ship and that turned-to-stone "pilot" bore to the original Alien creature, I think it's not far off to assume that they engineered them after their own likeness. No Preds involved.
 
well for all we know, the yautja and the space jockeys could have been at war and the yautja conquered them and took there bio weapons division(Xenomorphs). kinda like how the russians got the A-bomb after world war II.

The derelict space craft is assumed to be a space jockey bomber of Ancient times. It could have been shot down.
there are so many ideas you could do to tie it in, and they don't.
 
Funny, I just take a look at that first shot in the trailer where you see the wolf bio and I think it looks ****** otherworldly mean and frightening. Scar looked like Baloo the bear in comparison.



Now, can anyone tell me what the deal with the wolf fangs in the trailer is? Was that a dog or what? I'm just too slow to see it...
 
Where do you get that from? Couldn't it be, that the homeworld was "infacted" by the Aliens and this race was on the run to an other planet? And before they crashed in the planetsurface the Aliens kill everythin in the ship! Maybe it was so....

I think the story that the Predators farmed that Aliens to hunt them is not so stupid. *like in AVP*

It wasn't... the alien is a designed, bio-mechanical creature, just like the rest of the elements of the craft like the space jockey, which was a biological being fused to the mechanics of the ship. They had specific stasis pools used for storing the eggs, which could later be removed and placed as required.

I didn't say the concept of farming the aliens is stupid, but it can not tie in to the old movies that established the characters in the first place because nothing matches up. On it's own, it's fine, but trying to say it fits with the alien movies is futile.
 
well for all we know, the yautja and the space jockeys could have been at war and the yautja conquered them and took there bio weapons division(Xenomorphs). kinda like how the russians got the A-bomb after world war II.

The derelict space craft is assumed to be a space jockey bomber of Ancient times. It could have been shot down.
there are so many ideas you could do to tie it in, and they don't.

I'm sure Giger, James Camaron and Ridley Scott would shudder at the thought of trying to twist the series in to something like that. I've actually never heard that theory before and I think it's a pretty silly concept.

The Space Jockey is merely the navigatinal biomechanical beast that pilots the ship. It wasn't shot down, they crashed when containment was lost and the spacejockey as well as the ship occupants were attacked, hence why they set the beacon warning people to stay away.

I think anything trying to tie it in would be ridiculous. Again, there's never been an alien on earth... so try to tie in AVP means that you are completely disregarding the first 4 alien films.
 
Gotta agree with Faken. Yes, there's a million possibilities of how this and that could have happened, but----
As I've been saying forever on these kinds of threads---the story is the thing. Continuity is paramount. When you abandon those things, when you disregard story lines that have been previously established, you run the risk of creating a paradox which makes no sense, and doesn't fit with predefined concepts. Star Trek in all of its various incarnations ran into this problem all the time. The writers seldom took the time to look at previous shows to guide them through writing new material.

Having said all that, it doesn't mean you should nail yourself to the floor and not be free to create new material, etc. But, it should be done within the context of previously established notions. AVP breaks a lot of those rules, because that's the only way it can exist. I know why some you vehemently defend the film, you like it so much that you'll excuse any breaches in Predator or Alien "protocol." If AVP was about 2 totally new characters, that would be one thing, but you can't ignore what went on before because it's convenient.

Let's look at this from a marketing standpoint. It's much cheaper and easier to combine two big franchises together than it is to make separate films of them. The only way that could work is by breaking with previously established Predator and Alien story lines. That's it in a nutshell, as far as I'm concerned. I will close this by saying whatever plot lines they've come up with for AVPR, I hope they conform better to the earlier films than the last.
 
alot of interesting points raised here.


i think AVP:R is gonna rock - in fact i know it is :rolleyes:


will ber AWESOME to see predator on the big screen kickin ass
 
One thing that really pisses me off about the whole Alien and Predator infusion, is that, neither one will ever be a stand alone character... again.

I enjoyed each character greatly in their own movies, and that's how I think they should've stayed. The AVP movie was nothing more than a "hey, wouldn't it be fun if.." kind of idea. Just like the comic books were. But it wasn't a good idea. The execution and interpretation were horrible. As said earlier, completely ruining anything established in previous Alien films, as the big thing with the whole Alien franchise was to keep them off of Earth. So, that's all thrown into **** when new movies are released with them already being on the planet. So **** all to that.

When you start throwing in the Space Jockeys and **** like that... you're going way out of the realm of Predator and Alien. You're going gay... and by that I mean you're grasping for explainations as to "why." Who cares. The Predators are Aliens. Very little about them should ever be explained... their motives, their homeworld, and most of all their technology. That whole slave race ******** infuriates me to no end. I guess because they don't look like a creature that would be tech savy, they must not be! Well then.

The face-hugger tubes were on the Predator ship when it crashed, thereby giving the movie the Alien creatures. We see the Wolf jumping from the ship after he'd engaged the destruct mechanism. Probably some time after the face huggers had escaped. The Predators would not be stupid enough to seed our planet with Aliens. Firstly, because on occasion they hunt us. We're game to them. Great game... and to whipe us out would be foolish, and a waste.

I agree with Carl. It's cheaper and easier to take two movie franchises and throw them into one. Less work for the studios, and apparently less work for the writers. Because God forbid a mulit-gazillion dollar industry should shell out money for a good movie. It's all about business. And to that I say... you wonder why people pirate movies. It's because you suck. That's why. Money, money, money. Oh, and Carl... if we're lucky they won't mention or reference anything towards the past Predator and Alien movies. I think we'd be better off if the AVP universe was set far, far away from the Predator and Alien films.
 
I for one agree with the above from ROB and CARL.

they should have stayed seperate imo, but i think as soon as we saw the alien skull on the wall of the ship in P2 it was always gonna happen :rolleyes:

just a pity as said above that they didnt take alittle more time and effort in creating a better story and backdrop.

if you cant do it properly , dont ****** do it at all !

As for the tech savy thing, eerrr spaceship, spacetravel, cloaking ,need to say more .........? NOOOOOOPE!

I think they are going to try and tie in to the old films,in places, i think thats about as a sure thing as it gets from what weve seen in the trailer.

BUT i am still looking forward to AVP-R in the hope that it along with bringin our favorite movie monster back to his KILL OR BE KILLED roots, it may and possibly only me wishful thinking, spawn another Predator film.

( at least let me dream eh )
 
well, unfortunately, there will be tie-ins. It was in the first, and will undoubtibly be in the second, as well as any other AVP's after it. I agree with Rob, once Mr. Anderson spawned that horrid idea that was AVP for a movie, the standalone chances for either franchise just got kicked off a cliff. As far as second guessing any of the creatures....why? Just go based off of the first two movies in each series, they tell you all you need to know. if you want more info, your guess is as good as anyone else's. no one is supposed to know the concrete origin of the Predator or really the alien for that fact. Thats what gives the Predator such a facinating role, you don't know who he is, where he's from or anything like that. You know he is a technologically advanced, while still carrying that primal notion, being that live on the thrill of the hunt. Its what they do. All this hunt alien BS is exactly that, to them we're all alien, be it man or xenomorph. Just no need in completely clusterfucking the entire situation. yes, thats what this franchise has become, a huge clusterfuck. And no, thats not a candy bar.

KEITH
 
AVP, NEVER happened. That was just a dream a drunk Predator had.

In regard to continuity, and the origin of the Xenos and the history with the Jockeys, if you read the comic books you'll find that a Queen came out of the Jockey in the original movie, you also get to see a Jockey burster, which is basically a really, really big Xenomorph, like F'ing HUGE. Unless every one here is discounting the comic books, then there have been Xenomorphs on earth in the past, well before the events of the movies.

I don't know if any one else here ever hung out on the AVP game gossip forums, but we'd argue these science behind these creatures and also the comic books, the extended canon, etc... etc...
 
I don't know about you, but my problem starts out with the word "franchise". There are VERY few occasions in movie history where a sequel was actually as good OR better then its predecessor. Terminator 2 comes to mind (although I personally think the first one is still superior, both movies are absolute classics and milestones), I also love Predator 2, the original Star Wars, Indiana Jones. But usually, all those were made within the same decade (5-8 yrs respectively), which in most cases also preserved the same look and feel (except T2, agreed).


AVP was completely different, and you can see it. Special effects have advanced immensely and possibilities are many, but it also looks sterile and the script sucks. Star Wars I-III is a technological revolution compared to the original, and yet it's a "prequel" (and lacks all charme the original had). I so wish you could give Terminator 1 the technological possibilities and look of T2 and change nothing else. Although maybe, it would be too much already.


To what has been said above: I hadn't thought about AVP ruining another separate Alien / Pred film. That may be true. However, in my opinion, it doesn't get any better then P1. Just like Matrix, they should have left it at that and let it be the true masterpiece it is. Alien as well. I love Aliens, it added another aspect and massive action, BUT it couldn't quite compete with the claustrophobic atmosphere in the first one. P2 is great and most of all, follows P1's footsteps. However, it's just not as good.

I'm very much looking forward to AVP-R, it may actually turn out great if you look at the trailer, the Pred is badass and mean-looking, not a pussy. But I'm still doubtful, and anyway I question the entire necessitiy of that movie.

Money, money, money. All that counts. Something is successful? Make another one, you'll get the $$$ back for sure. But often enough, they ruin the entire genius of the precursors (Matrix, Batman).

**** franchise!
 
I recall reading a Predator comic a looong time ago that showed Predators on a planet with their ship landed, and a converyor belt "planting" Alien eggs. The Preds would come back later on to hunt the hatched Aliens. I liked the idea that Predators use Aliens as their playthings...
 
With many things, once the 'mystery' is explained, it is no longer as interesting and doesn't pull you in as much. When I first saw Predator, I was probably four years old, and it had been out for a while at that point. When I saw Predator 2, I was late in seeing it, yet again...where am I going with all this?

Well, when I was 'old enough' to see the movies and understand them more, I realized how solid of a movie Predator was, the whole movie was just classy. You have a lot of legends, and you also have Kevin in the Predator suit, I still remember being four years old wondering what the hell was hunting them, what the hell was it going on in the jungle, and at four years old, when the Predator was about to take his mask off, I have to say that it was kind of scary watching, but I kept at it and didn't close my eyes. For me I kinda' grew up with Predator, and a lot of other monsters, that today, are iconic and legendary...and NOW, I can appreciate them for how well done they were. If you have the 'Winston Effect' book, you'll read that Winston and his studio do not make 'suits', rather, they make 'characters for use in films' and that is why 'Anytime' (the first Predator) and Pussyface (P2) were actually believable and, for the lack of a better term had 'character', making them memorable. So that's why I'm so picky with certain things, and that's why to me, AVP is such a big piece of **** and Paul Anderson and any 'shot callers' in regard to the story and scripting are incompetent.

'Teenagers in a coming of age ritual.' Lick my balls. AVP was and is, and always will be a debacle. :rolleyes:
 
To my fellow Predator / Alien / AVP fans,

I just saw "Death Sentence" last night starring Kevin Bacon. Even though I like Kevin Bacon (seen "Tremors"?), I hate to admit that I can't recommend the film with a clear conscience. Anyway, there was a DIFFERENT AVP2 trailer in front of the film and this one rocked, too.

It was at least 75% of the same footage as the "Red Banner" one we all know but it had a few new shots. One with a chestburster out & about, snarling at the camera is one that stands out in my mind most.

Even though this one left out most of the really cool gore/violence shots, it was still powerful. The last 25% of it, I'd guess, had a rendition of the Christmas song "Silent Night" playing over it with little or no sound effects / natural sound. In my humble opinion, it was a VERY well put-together trailer and was rather eerie considering the strange marriage of sound to imagery.

If this is old news in these forums, I apologize, but I wanted to be sure the fans knew.

I've looked for it (I call it the "Silent Night" AVP-R trailer) on YouTube but no luck so far.

I hope if anyone finds it online (or the official AVP site), you will notify the rest of us!

Best wishes,
J.T. alias sidemachine
 
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