Adam Ant, Then and now

[greenmachines]

OK, attempt two at this post: The right hand gun is the Russian Cavalry Pistol I listed earlier from imfdb. The Russian Cavalry 1809. First a few views of Adam's and then the 1809 from research and use in other films.

The trigger guard is just slightly different so possibly the same gun but different year (or is a reproduction). Here are some photos of the historical gun and some replicas used in films.

And finally this side by side picture.

 

[greenmachines]

So now to source MY income level versions.....

 

[greenmachines]

Here is a great site with multiple views:

FLINT LOCK PISTOL, m/1809, Russia.

Flintlock gun m/1809 for the Russian cavalry. The lock marked Tula 1813. Blackened piston. With Tsar Alexander I monogram on thumb plate. P-stamped barrel. Length about 43 cm. Caliber approximately 18 mm.

auctionet.com

 

[joberg]

Looks like a hit

 

[greenmachines]

So my next cosplay build will be a giant waffle outfit, so that I can wear it while waffling on previous decisions. Today's waffle, Adam's left hand side gun. It is not an English Light Dragoon but is its extremely chummy cousin, the British Sea Service - 9 inch barrel short version BUT only as a newer, modern reproduction. Why you ask? Well, hurry up and ask..... OK, so, two distinct reasons it is not the almost perfect match dragoon:

1) The push rod holder is only the correct hardware on the English Sea Service short version. The long version is NOT correct either.

None of the other pistols has that hardware with the short gap.

2) The reason that only a newer replica will suffice? Adam's butt plate has the main cover with ears going up the sides. This is normal for this historic gun. What is not normal is the central circular plate addition and the center pin. First pic is the plate on Adam's gun, then the smooth one piece historic plate that does not match and finally a replica that matches Adam's gun at each part. Some repros referred to as "officers" is a direct match.

and the link to this pistol listing with 9 views...

Nice Reproduction of British Sea Service Flintlock

Nice Reproduction of British Sea Service Flintlock for sale online.

www.gunsinternational.com

I had been advised that the French sea service would work but it does not seem to have a short version. If a short one exists and has this two part rod holder with just the short gap, then possibly but they also don't seem to be brass like Adam's. What they do have is an appropriate 3 part butt plate like on Adam's.

And another with a better view of butt plate.

Listing not Found

Buy and sell new and used guns online from anywhere in the world on Guns International, including pistols, shotguns, rifles, handguns, revolvers, ammo and more.

www.gunsinternational.com

I still have not found the source for these repros. But it does look like the correct search would include "officer's", "short version", "English Sea service", "British Sea Service", "flintlock pistol", and possibly "9 inch" or 9".

 

[moviebuff5]

I found a sold listing for a Tower flintlock that specifies it is by EIG and was made in the 1970s in Japan.
I think the butt plate matches and it is listed as 9 inches.

NICE British TOWER Flintlock Pistol Reproduction

NICE British TOWER Flintlock Pistol Reproduction for sale online.

www.gunsinternational.com

Edit: The one you posted looks suspiciously like someone intentionally obliterated the EIG mark and overstamped it.

 

[greenmachines]

I found a sold listing for a Tower flintlock that specifies it is by EIG and was made in the 1970s in Japan.
I think the butt plate matches and it is listed as 9 inches.

NICE British TOWER Flintlock Pistol Reproduction

NICE British TOWER Flintlock Pistol Reproduction for sale online.

www.gunsinternational.com

Edit: The one you posted looks suspiciously like someone intentionally obliterated the EIG mark and overstamped it.

Excellent research. I will run with both and see what I find for current availability.

 

[greenmachines]

While waiting on my family to get ready today, I worked on my hat. Covered the new pattern in cloth. Completely forgot to make a second pattern but did take a pic of the flat pattern. So first pattern, then pic with measurements (it matches for size).

and Adam's hat:

Tomorrow, I will place the leather badge and start on feathers.

 

[greenmachines]

This file has 4 ace images, which means it matches Adam's hat card for your printing pleasure.... most only have two and not in the corner where Adam's ace sticks out so they wouldn't work...

Standard playing card but I don't currently have that measurement.

 

[greenmachines]

Updated (found it, continued for about 4 posts)....So I need some input on this medallion above and behind the leather badge....

 

[greenmachines]

Here is today's progress:

 

[greenmachines]

My goal with the ace is to print it on laser card stock with a photo face finish. If it is not shiny enough, place packing tape ove the surface and trim to the edges. I will post when complete.

 

[greenmachines]

The brooch under the badge is:

 

[greenmachines]

OK, buckle up buttercup. I found an Easter egg in real life. I don't know the connection or the story behind it but there is sure to be one. While working on the bicorn hat adornments, I saw a little bright spot of green. It is hidden completely behind the leather "for Adam Ant", Mich Dulce hat badge and only shows up as a gleam of color. Also, there was the top portion of a ring of metal. Different views of this ring show the letters "virt". I guessed that it was "virtue". I guessed that it was a tartan clasp because of other Scottish outfits he has worn. I found the brooch. It happens to be the clan symbol for clan Maclean... and their tartan is of course GREEN AND BLACK. So, I knew this had to be a patch of tartan pinned to the back of this brooch. After many pictures, I found a high resolution shot that shows the tartan just enough. Well, it is just enough because I already expected to find it.
I don't doubt there is some article somewhere talking about this but I am pretty stoked right now for having found it. I thought for a moment it might just be a green flash of an iridescent black feather.

 

[greenmachines]

Art Pewter Clan Badge MacleanMACLEAN / One Size

Model: ARTPEW-CB_MACLEAN

heritageofscotland.com

 

[JamesM242]

Well done greenmachines! As I was reading to catch up, I had a far-fetched idea for the badge, but then continued on to see that you nailed it and that my initial guess was wrong (I was leaning toward a military badge). Nice find on the tartan as well - my initial guess was a fabric swatch as military units sometimes put them behind badges for various reasons, but I know zero about Scottish clans! ;-)

Keep up the great work - your hat is going to look fantastic.

 

[joberg]

You nailed all of the details on that hat for sure I've noticed that the brim has some kind of "lip" over his left temple and under the badge also...Keep up the great work!

 

[greenmachines]

I printed my Ace at 2.5 inch by 3.5 inch, on semi gloss card stock, laser print, and then covered it in packing tape, front and back. I then trimmed the edges and the corners. As the card and other items move around on the hat, this is just a pic showing progress and is not a permanent placement. Keep your adornments removable so they do not hinder pictures of a specific pose that may not contain all elements of the final hat.

I have attached my leather badge with hot glue on the bottom left in a smiley, creating a pocket for feathers. First Adam for comp then mine:

 

[greenmachines]

Oh and back to this button. Anyone know who or what this is?

The little button sitting on the ace.

 

[greenmachines]

Due to color differences in this picture, I now have this:

which looks very similar to this:

What say you?

So, I think this is definitely a previous pinback of Adam but I don't think it is an exact match. That might not matter at this size.