Y-Wing Building

[DARKSIDE72]

Yes, but the MR is something... better than nothing. Correct me if I am wrong though, Jamie, but you seem to know a lot of info you aren't sharing. A lot of us know a lot less than just being off by a couple of parts.

Yes I know a lot of info... Why isn't information freely exchanged is the age old question in studio scale modeling. Basically it all boils down to money and time. If I spend 10+ years searching for parts, researching my ass off, befriending individuals I can trust as they can myself, exchanging information we keep between ourselves etc etc.
And then you have people (not saying you Ron as you do try very hard) ask/demand for that hard work without doing a damn thing. Where is OUR help? Yet we are bad guys for "hording" information and not sharing...:rolleyes Well we do share just not on an open board where Johnny wannabe model builder can glean everything those of us have killed ourselves financially and mentally over to discover.

Then there is the issue of difficult to find (out of production kits). Once the cat is out of the bag it seems everyone and their dog is on ebay driving the demand up for said kits. A once 20 dollar kit becomes a 200 dollar kit overnight. The big kit dealers love this ****.
I will offer this to you, though - unless you are ABSOLUTELY sure - I've looked at the underside neck part and I am STILL not convinced it is a single piece. I have identified several parts there - everything minus the rounded portion with what look to be straps on it. Well, almost everything I think. With the kind of kits you see, if this is a single piece, it has to be extremely obscure. I've noted to someone that it looks kinda like a Greyhound or M20 Chassis. But, even if it is a single piece, I don't see what would be so hard about scratchbuilding it.

There are a ton of parts on the lower neck. But the overall "structure" is a part/parts of some sort.


The point is that this was supposed to be a group collaboration. Those people "in the know" have their reasons for not sharing info - not sure what this reason is.
See my first post...
I thought this thread died down long ago - and it did, but a group of people gathered in another place and found most of the pieces, not letting the rest of us know. But I want to know, just like others do, even if that means doing the research myself. But I don't think I can do it alone.
I didn't either... But I struggle on.
I am a college student. I don't have the kind of money needed to buy all the kits and look through them all.
I'm just an electrician with a new baby, no need to tell me about not being independently wealthy. :lol
I have to resort to more cunning methods, but I still end up empty handed a lot of the time.
I can't count the time I come up empty handed looking for parts!

You offered to let us know the unknown parts if we helped you find the neck piece. But, I don't think the rest of us combined, if I am not the only one left here, have the kind of resources you do. If you can't find it, then we surely can't find it! You wanted us to focus on that, but how can we when we have nothing to go on? No leads or anything... I have no clue what that thing even might be from.
I don't either..

So, rather than sitting idle for years, I would rather find the rest of the parts so I can finish my Y. Like I said, how easy would that piece be to scratchbuild? I am not the least bit concerned with what it might take away from my model not having that ONE piece.
I haven't found EVERYTHING... see below.

Following that piece is too much to ask. It's a lost cause. That is, if it even exists. I am not trying to start a bickering match, but I wish you would be more willing to help us out, given how obscure this piece you need is. That said, though, you don't have to. That is solely up to you.
See first post...

For everyone else, though, we are not going to get any closer if we don't put some effort into finding parts that are worth it and within the realm of probability. A good place to start is the Bandai 1:48 line. I got a Hetzer for my TIE and it is a goldmine for that model. Given what we've seen from those kits, it is WORTH buying them up and posting when/if we find anything. Oh, and the PzKpfw IV D is also a TIE kit. There are a lot of other kits from that line we've seen nothing on yet - 8 Rad, 88mm Gun Flak, etc...

Fujimi kits that are re-issues of Nitto Kagaku kits - another good place. The ANH Star Destroyer has a few Fujimi kits on it.
It has SEVERAL fujimi kits on it!

Like I said, I will post what I have - what I know, and what leads I can give. But it will take me time.

Jamie, I can only hope you will pitch in, but I never said you HAVE to do anything. What have you got to lose anyway?

I'm always willing to help those that are willing to HELP me. As far as vomiting up a complete donor kit list I'll never do that. I've worked hard for what I know and I'd never betray those few individuals that have helped me out over the years regardless of where we may stand today.



Can you find any of the other parts? Cause I need them too. :confused Lookie a big neck part in "kit" part form...

 

[Flintlock]

I would never ask you to offer up a complete kit list for people too lazy to search through the threads... I have expressed frustration at such people before. I am not asking for us to cater to them - just for us to carry on and start posting finds here and there - leads, pictures, diagrams, etc. What you've posted is excellent! And thanks for it!

The second picture is the neck piece I am talking about. THAT is a kit part, but on top of it is a part from the Shiden. The rest of the angular structure that that rounded part sits on - that's what I am not convinced is a kit piece.

With reference shots like this, I might be able to help. I don't have access to pictures like this. At one time I was expecting to get 50+ ref shots of the Red Y, but nothing ever came of it...

I only know 2 Fujimi kits and they have been mentioned... guess I'll be getting some more...

I'm always willing to help those that are willing to HELP me. As far as vomiting up a complete donor kit list I'll never do that. I've worked hard for what I know and I'd never betray those few individuals that have helped me out over the years regardless of where we may stand today.

Here is a recent find... and the interior of a REAL ANH y-wing cockpit.

Can you find any of the other parts? Cause I need them too. :confused Lookie a big neck part in "kit" part form...

 

[Flintlock]

P.S.

Some people have been willing to share info with me but not everyone. No one has ever offered me any help or any invitation to private discussions even though I've been at this since practically day 1. I didn't even know such discussions existed till much after the fact.

But what can I contribute without reference shots, without something to go on? I am stuck - much behind everyone else, and not able to contribute anything that they don't already know. So I can't *get* if I don't have anything to *give*.

Some of the parts you (Jamie) just posted are very hard to make out. Are these the only shots available of these parts?

As for the "freeloaders," lets all just agree not to post any compiled kit lists, but to just continue step by little step. If they want the info, they can read through.

Do you have any good shots of parts that you may know, but that we don't? I won't ask you to reveal what they are - I will see what I can identify from parts I have already or from research.

 

[DARKSIDE72]

I would never ask you to offer up a complete kit list for people too lazy to search through the threads... I have expressed frustration at such people before. I am not asking for us to cater to them - just for us to carry on and start posting finds here and there - leads, pictures, diagrams, etc. What you've posted is excellent! And thanks for it!
Ron the reference IS half the battle. Unfortunately the red Y while being cool and unique has little to offer as far as "hero" builds. The heroes were gold y's and they were "tricked out' detail wise. Aside from the piping and mounting point details they were built/cast identically.

The red Y has no cockpit interior, it just a flat "cast". Hopefully in the near future I will be able to post pictures of my cockpit which took a hell of a long time to nail with the gold Y "heaviness". I say this as the red Y was skinnier and more streamlined so to speak.



The second picture is the neck piece I am talking about. THAT is a kit part, but on top of it is a part from the Shiden. The rest of the angular structure that that rounded part sits on - that's what I am not convinced is a kit piece.

I knew exactly what you meant. Yes it's one part.
I've had leads but nothing has been found to date...

Angular structure...



It's been my experience that a complex structure like this was never "scratch-built", too many angles and subtle details... ILM while amazing in what "basic" structures they did build used kits to bash out the details.




With reference shots like this, I might be able to help. I don't have access to pictures like this. At one time I was expecting to get 50+ ref shots of the Red Y, but nothing ever came of it...

I'll make a phone call this week sometime and see if a friend can help you with some reference... But it won't be public knowledge... get me?

I only know 2 Fujimi kits and they have been mentioned... guess I'll be getting some more...

For the ISD you mean?

 

[Flintlock]

The Bandai 1:48 Beech Bonanza V35 is not the only small plane from this series (Weekend Wings) to be used on the Y Wing. I don't know all the kits from this series, but I have one other one. I do NOT have the Piper Super Cub PA18.

But see - two kits of the same series on one model. It's worth getting all the kits in this series. They are small and pretty cheap.

I think Entex released these kits too. There is also a Cessna 150.

How about the 1:40 D4Y-2 Judy the Navy Carrier Bomber "Suisei"?

 

[Flintlock]

For the ISD you mean?

No, I have a couple different ones for that... I have the Elefant and the Jagdpanther - both Y Wing kits.

Sure, if you offer help I am willing to take it, and I would appreciate it. I wouldn't make it public knowledge. I only post stuff here that I find myself. Like I've already mentioned... I don't know if anyone else is interested in building a Y Wing anymore like I am. No one's around anymore! I was just trying to stimulate some action here... that's all.

 

[Flintlock]

Here is a great research site:

http://henk.fox3000.com/index2.htm#section 7

Another one is "On the Way!" But it's links are down for the time being.

 

[DARKSIDE72]

P.S.

Some people have been willing to share info with me but not everyone. No one has ever offered me any help or any invitation to private discussions even though I've been at this since practically day 1. I didn't even know such discussions existed till much after the fact.

But what can I contribute without reference shots, without something to go on? I am stuck - much behind everyone else, and not able to contribute anything that they don't already know. So I can't *get* if I don't have anything to *give*.

Some of the parts you (Jamie) just posted are very hard to make out. Are these the only shots available of these parts?

Unfornately yes...

As for the "freeloaders," lets all just agree not to post any compiled kit lists, but to just continue step by little step. If they want the info, they can read through.

I don't have time for whining freeloaders... they make me sick. When i fist started this hobby I was told... "find some parts that aren't known and you will be helped"... So this is exactly what I had to do and what I DID do and guess what...I was helped. I've adopted the same ideals out of necessity.

Bridges have been burned along the way and new ones built... I've never betrayed those that have helped me, no matter what. Today I talk with those that I can trust and no one else. Those people whom I call friends know who they are and are a but phone call away.

I feel bad myself when people like Alan are looking so hard for ESB parts and my ability to help is limited because ANH models are pretty much all I plan to build. (Gorts snowspeeder is a must though IMO)... So ANH erra kits are all I've been buying. I will say I have his pictures and IF I find something they need I will let them know about it.



Do you have any good shots of parts that you may know, but that we don't? I won't ask you to reveal what they are - I will see what I can identify from parts I have already or from research.

I have tons of reference these days but I won't "give" this type of info away. It's not mine to give, get my meaning?
The few parts I don't know, I'm posting those,they are highly cropped images though...

Everything else has been identified 110%.

I could still use reference myself of the gold Y's. A couple of parts/areas have never been properly photographed. One has to hope that someday the existing models will be done justice through the lens and really good photo's will emerge.

 

[Flintlock]

I know this isn't something you are looking for Jamie, but on the angled Hummel pieces on the wings, outside of the Hurricane engine halves, there are a few little pieces I don't know, but they look like known objects. One looks like a small steering wheel, perhaps from a Fujimi kit. Another looks like a tiny Anchor from a ship. The other piece I am referring to looks like half of a bomb - I've seen 1:48 pieces that are similar but too big. Could be from a 1:72 - Airfix maybe?

 

[Bookman]

I'm probably stating the obvious to more experienced modelers, but that highlighted neck part looks like an upside down seat tub from a tank or car kit. The channel looks like an axle would fit inside it.

-David

 

[Flintlock]

David, we've seen lots of tank and car kits, and it doesn't look quite like anything from those kinds of kits. It might be a tank or a car, but it would have to be something pretty unusual.

 

[1138]

I've been quiet on the board for a long time, but Jamie's incredible ref pics have woke my a$$ up! What an incredible ref of the cockpit interior... amazing!

There are a couple of other possible parts on the neck bottom... sorry for overlaying images on your pic Jamie, hope you don't mind.

 

[Flintlock]

Thanks! I think that's it. Here is some more:

The piece I am pointing at with "???" looks to be very crude. Minus this piece, it appears all the surface detail of the structure is accounted for. The rest is just flat faces... Still sure it's a kit part? And as far as what ILMers would have done, I at one time expressed bewilderment that they would have modified the dome-strut (Kettenkrad piece) the way they did. Why didn't they just use some other random part? I think it's sometimes harder to determine what they probably would have done vs what they would not have done than we think...

Oh sorry, that doesn't account for the rounded part with the "straps" on it, but we DO know it's a separate piece...

And that square channel, I am pretty sure, works out to be 1/8".

 

[propcollector]

where is a good site for reference pics of the ilm

 

[Flintlock]

what kit does this come from

That would be none other than the MPC Millennium Falcon. This is Bill George's Y Wing.

 

[Rats]

Thanks! I think that's it. Here is some more:

The piece I am pointing at with "???" looks to be very crude. Minus this piece, it appears all the surface detail of the structure is accounted for. The rest is just flat faces... Still sure it's a kit part?

I could be way off here, but all those flat faces look very like a Stug IV casement and front deck. The blue bits may even me two half kits stuck back to back?
I don't have many (hardly any) small scale AFV's, so maybe Henk of Holland's page would be a good starting point, Cheers and good luck, JT

 

[star-art]

Jamie, I'm not quite sure from your color key whether the red parts are known or not. If not, the ladder like parts top and bottom in the photo below are tank treads from the Nichimo 1/35 Jagdtiger. Hope that helps!

 

[DARKSIDE72]

Ok I am officially BLIND! Dan thanks for those! Do you know what the large part is (yellow) :confused

I've been quiet on the board for a long time, but Jamie's incredible ref pics have woke my a$$ up! What an incredible ref of the cockpit interior... amazing!

There are a couple of other possible parts on the neck bottom... sorry for overlaying images on your pic Jamie, hope you don't mind.

 

[DARKSIDE72]

I know this isn't something you are looking for Jamie, but on the angled Hummel pieces on the wings, outside of the Hurricane engine halves, there are a few little pieces I don't know, but they look like known objects. One looks like a small steering wheel, perhaps from a Fujimi kit. Another looks like a tiny Anchor from a ship. The other piece I am referring to looks like half of a bomb - I've seen 1:48 pieces that are similar but too big. Could be from a 1:72 - Airfix maybe?

Yea Ron there are a lot of parts on the hummel/wing part. The part I used is from the Revell V-2 rocket. Its an exact match size wise.

 

[DARKSIDE72]

The red all all found parts Charles. Thanks though!

Jamie, I'm not quite sure from your color key whether the red parts are known or not. If not, the ladder like parts top and bottom in the photo below are tank treads from the Nichimo 1/35 Jagdtiger. Hope that helps!