Star Wars Returns to Theaters…In 2027

I hope the rumors of a proper restoration and home video release are true, but how many years have those same rumors been circulating the web and amounted to nothing?

I'd be thrilled to be wrong about this.

The real question is...how will they screw it up?

The "original version" has a pretty wide spectrum. There are the three theatrical sound mixes (70mm six-track, 35mm stereo, and mono, the latter of which was the most widely heard, but never released on home media), as well as early prints having a handful of optical composites (and tweaked end credits) which were redone shortly after the initial wave of prints.

And then there's the 1981 revision to the opening title crawl, as well as the 1985 and 1993 home video remixes.

The 2006 "bonus DVD" that the Lucas Cult says is "good enough for dumb fanboys" is actually a 1981-ish print with the 1977 crawl spliced on, and the 1993 sound mix.

Not quite "original".
 
Not to derail, but as it seems ANH has received (at least) minor tweaks in every release post '77, is the driving need for a totally clean rerelease of the '77 version or just whatever the best available version pre-special edition is?

Hell, I remember as a teen when the THX VHS copies came out and some dialogue was changed on Dagobah it threw me for a loop, and that was a good two or three years before the special editions hit.
 
The real question is...how will they screw it up?

The "original version" has a pretty wide spectrum. There are the three theatrical sound mixes (70mm six-track, 35mm stereo, and mono, the latter of which was the most widely heard, but never released on home media), as well as early prints having a handful of optical composites (and tweaked end credits) which were redone shortly after the initial wave of prints.

And then there's the 1981 revision to the opening title crawl, as well as the 1985 and 1993 home video remixes.

The 2006 "bonus DVD" that the Lucas Cult says is "good enough for dumb fanboys" is actually a 1981-ish print with the 1977 crawl spliced on, and the 1993 sound mix.

Not quite "original".

I mean, we are speaking hypothetically because at this point there are some vague rumors, which have been circulating for literally decades, but assuming it happens, I'm aware that there were different audio mixes and very minor changes with Empire and Jedi coming out. As much as I love 4k77 and the bonus disc laserdisc transfers retaining the original content (though they're about as low effort as you can get when it comes to Lucasfilm releasing them as an official product), it would be nice to see the films properly restored so that the image quality looks consistent throughout the film and for the audio to sound great with a proper stereo mix. Not that I'm advocating for total DNR and grain omission. Even barring audio changes/ additions to the Special Editions (idiotic Luke screaming as he falls in Empire) there were audio inconsistencies with the 2004 DVD release too. I know there were audio differences between the releases of Star Wars. A few lines of dialog were different between the mono mix and stereo mixes of some of the prints around the country, even for the original 1977 release alone, but as I understand it, stereo sound was new tech at the time, so in order to keep the sound consistent with older theater systems a mono mix was necessary for those theaters to accommodate it. Correct me if I'm wrong on that one, but that's how I understood it.

It can be a bit jarring when watching 4k77 to see the image look different from scene to scene and I understand that this is an artifact of the photochemical process, different film stock, different exposure settings, and other analog processes that were done by hand before the digital age. This is in no way a knock against the fans who did this miraculous preservation as they had limited print sources and funding to work from, and it's truly the work of passionate film historians which should be supported, but if Lucasfilm actually invested the time and money (of which they have both in spades) they could go the extra mile to have professionals do it.

Come to think of it, before the 2004 official release of the trilogy on DVD for the first time, there was a flood of bootleg copies of the original theatrical cuts that came from overseas before the licensed ones came out. From what I recall, those turned out to be the equivalent of the laserdisc transfers too. I'm guessing the only reason why the 2006 bonus discs got released was to curb pirating of the bootlegs, even if it was too little, too late. Plus, after Episode 3 was released, Star Wars was over in George's mind, to the point where I'm sure his marketing team urged him to release the bonus discs as a last cash grab before he went on to do other things. Though that is complete conjecture on my part as to what the motivation was to sell those.

I don't trust Disney to preserve anything, but assuming they did, I agree that there's a lot that they could screw up. The title crawl missing or keeping the Episode 4: A New Hope is neither here nor there to me. Years ago I liked having it for consistencies sake with Empire and Jedi, but as a kid, it was always just Star Wars. I mean, Raiders of the Lost Ark is the name of the first movie and the following entries started with the "Indiana Jones and the ...." as their titles. I find the forced retitle of "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark" that was changed 30 plus years after the fact to be flat out idiotic, and no self respecting Indiana Jones or film fan actually calls it that.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
 
The title crawl missing or keeping the Episode 4: A New Hope is neither here nor there to me. Years ago I liked having it for consistencies sake with Empire and Jedi, but as a kid, it was always just Star Wars. I mean, Raiders of the Lost Ark is the name of the first movie and the following entries started with the "Indiana Jones and the ...." as their titles. I find the forced retitle of "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark" that was changed 30 plus years after the fact to be flat out idiotic, and no self respecting Indiana Jones or film fan actually calls it that.

I don't think 'Indy and the ROTLA" is quite comparable to the SW:ANH situation. That would never have been the title originally in 1981. It would have been judged too long & awkward. (Maybe it would have been 'Indiana Jones and the Lost Ark.')


I don't really view the episodic 'SW: ANH' title the same way as most of the other retcons over the years.

George claimed he wanted to do an episodic title for the first movie but the studio talked him out of it. IMO all the evidence supports that. Gary Kurtz also recalled that they "chickened out" with the first movie's title, even though Kurtz refuted many other thing that George claimed over the years. SW was inspired by old serials. The early drafts of SW had episodic titles. George talked about doing multiple movies from day one. He hired a writer to do a sequel novel that could be filmed cheaply if the first movie wasn't a big hit.

I think 'Episode IV: A New Hope' totally matched up with George's intents at the time the movie came out. And it certainly matched up with the rest of the OT era. So I'm fine with it. It's not in the same ballpark with Greedo shooting first or adding back the Jabba scene.
 
That being said, the 1997 Special Editions are the best the films have ever looked and sounded, thanks to their extensive photochemical restoration, including Lucas using his own personal Technicolor IB print of STAR WARS as a guide for color-timing the 1997 version. The result was a consistent, very faithful color grade, in many ways superior to the original release.

Thanks for reminding me that the 1997 version is very hard to find in modern watchable format. They came out on VHS, Laser Disc, and in 2000 Video CD. My VHS is very degraded. And I never had Laser Disc. I'm thinking my best bet is to try and track down Video CD.

Of all the versions, the 1997 version is "my" version, as it's one I saw in theaters. And I got the 2000 VHS for my birthday. So there's a soft spot for that.
 
I mean, we are speaking hypothetically because at this point there are some vague rumors, which have been circulating for literally decades, but assuming it happens, I'm aware that there were different audio mixes and very minor changes with Empire and Jedi coming out. As much as I love 4k77 and the bonus disc laserdisc transfers retaining the original content (though they're about as low effort as you can get when it comes to Lucasfilm releasing them as an official product), it would be nice to see the films properly restored so that the image quality looks consistent throughout the film and for the audio to sound great with a proper stereo mix. Not that I'm advocating for total DNR and grain omission. Even barring audio changes/ additions to the Special Editions (idiotic Luke screaming as he falls in Empire) there were audio inconsistencies with the 2004 DVD release too. I know there were audio differences between the releases of Star Wars. A few lines of dialog were different between the mono mix and stereo mixes of some of the prints around the country, even for the original 1977 release alone, but as I understand it, stereo sound was new tech at the time, so in order to keep the sound consistent with older theater systems a mono mix was necessary for those theaters to accommodate it. Correct me if I'm wrong on that one, but that's how I understood it.

It can be a bit jarring when watching 4k77 to see the image look different from scene to scene and I understand that this is an artifact of the photochemical process, different film stock, different exposure settings, and other analog processes that were done by hand before the digital age. This is in no way a knock against the fans who did this miraculous preservation as they had limited print sources and funding to work from, and it's truly the work of passionate film historians which should be supported, but if Lucasfilm actually invested the time and money (of which they have both in spades) they could go the extra mile to have professionals do it.

Come to think of it, before the 2004 official release of the trilogy on DVD for the first time, there was a flood of bootleg copies of the original theatrical cuts that came from overseas before the licensed ones came out. From what I recall, those turned out to be the equivalent of the laserdisc transfers too. I'm guessing the only reason why the 2006 bonus discs got released was to curb pirating of the bootlegs, even if it was too little, too late. Plus, after Episode 3 was released, Star Wars was over in George's mind, to the point where I'm sure his marketing team urged him to release the bonus discs as a last cash grab before he went on to do other things. Though that is complete conjecture on my part as to what the motivation was to sell those.

I don't trust Disney to preserve anything, but assuming they did, I agree that there's a lot that they could screw up. The title crawl missing or keeping the Episode 4: A New Hope is neither here nor there to me. Years ago I liked having it for consistencies sake with Empire and Jedi, but as a kid, it was always just Star Wars. I mean, Raiders of the Lost Ark is the name of the first movie and the following entries started with the "Indiana Jones and the ...." as their titles. I find the forced retitle of "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark" that was changed 30 plus years after the fact to be flat out idiotic, and no self respecting Indiana Jones or film fan actually calls it that.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.


Yes, the inconsistent color grading and whatnot is one of the things they fixed for the 1997 release.

And then all of that great work was thrown out the window in 2004.

My ideal release would use seamless branching for the crawl, redone composites from the early release, and the various sound mixes. There'd be a menu where you can chose which release version you want to watch, and it's off to the races.

We need a mega 50th anniversary boxset with all versions of all six films, including rarities like the 70mm EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and the 35mm ATTACK OF THE CLONES. A full historical preservation of each iteration. That's the dream.
 
Yes, the inconsistent color grading and whatnot is one of the things they fixed for the 1997 release.

And then all of that great work was thrown out the window in 2004.

My ideal release would use seamless branching for the crawl, redone composites from the early release, and the various sound mixes. There'd be a menu where you can chose which release version you want to watch, and it's off to the races.

We need a mega 50th anniversary boxset with all versions of all six films, including rarities like the 70mm EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and the 35mm ATTACK OF THE CLONES. A full historical preservation of each iteration. That's the dream.
It's hard to guess how much such a comprehensive collection would set one back...
 
I don't think 'Indy and the ROTLA" is quite comparable to the SW:ANH situation. That would never have been the title originally in 1981. It would have been judged too long & awkward. (Maybe it would have been 'Indiana Jones and the Lost Ark.')


I don't really view the episodic 'SW: ANH' title the same way as most of the other retcons over the years.

George claimed he wanted to do an episodic title for the first movie but the studio talked him out of it. IMO all the evidence supports that. Gary Kurtz also recalled that they "chickened out" with the first movie's title, even though Kurtz refuted many other thing that George claimed over the years. SW was inspired by old serials. The early drafts of SW had episodic titles. George talked about doing multiple movies from day one. He hired a writer to do a sequel novel that could be filmed cheaply if the first movie wasn't a big hit.

I think 'Episode IV: A New Hope' totally matched up with George's intents at the time the movie came out. And it certainly matched up with the rest of the OT era. So I'm fine with it. It's not in the same ballpark with Greedo shooting first or adding back the Jabba scene.

Not quite. While the earlier script drafts had longer titles "THE ADVENTURES OF LUKE STARKILLER AS TAKEN FROM THE JOURNAL OF THE WHILLS, SAGA ONE: THE STAR WARS"), "EPISODE IV" only entered the picture in 1978, after work began on EMPIRE, and Lucas had committed himself to doing three prequels set before STAR WARS, now retitled "EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE".

Before that decision, EMPIRE was "Chapter II".

Some people were even confused by "EPISODE V", when EMPIRE was first released, and then STAR WARS was released with the "EPISODE IV" subtitle, the next year.
 
I would be fine with or without the episode number. I always saw the film with it because I was born a few years after it was released, but as long as the content of the film isn't altered, and it looks and sounds great, I'm in. No rontos, no digital Jabba. Just the original footage, looking and sounding great. I want the trilogy like that to own.
 
But, as good as they are, those fanmade versions aren’t as good as an official release could be, since they’re digitally restored scans of release prints, rather than being from the negative or an interpositive, as official studio releases of films are.

Lucas has been quoted as saying that a restoration would be expensive, and that he considered it an incompleted film, anyway, so why bother?

That being said, the elements are there. They could either scan the negative and the trims made for the Special Edition and then digitally reassemble Humpty Dumpty, or do a new scan of a surviving interpositive or a similar high-quality source. The only things standing in the way are money and motivation.

Of course, the low-quality, DVD “bonus disc”, laserdisc masters have been cited as “proof” that the original versions “look terrible”. And now we have the clickbait articles (and the idiocy of people like Anomaly, Inc.) coming out of the BFI screenings. There’s either an agenda at play, here, and/or a total lack of understanding when it comes to film history and restoration.

There’s been a concerted effort by Lucas Cultists to claim that the original cuts “look terrible”. I, on the other hand, think that the 2004 and 2011 versions look terrible, with wonky colors and crushed blacks. The 2019 4K is an improvement, but still has major, major issues. But the dilettante fanboys don’t know any better, and just think “ remastered=good”.

These people have been fooled into thinking that the modern-day remastering and revisionism of the film somehow “looks better” than the film as originally shot, finished, and presented.

That being said, the 1997 Special Editions are the best the films have ever looked and sounded, thanks to their extensive photochemical restoration, including Lucas using his own personal Technicolor IB print of STAR WARS as a guide for color-timing the 1997 version. The result was a consistent, very faithful color grade, in many ways superior to the original release.

Every home video release since 2004 has been a step down from that, particularly the 2004/2011 releases, which cranked up the saturation to ridiculous levels to try and make the OT consistent with the vibrant look of the prequels. The 4Ks dialed things down, but introduced new problems, too.

I’ll take the original, vibrant color-grading and grainy, filmic look any day over the 4Ks’ dark, drab look and excessive DNR.

That's a solid analysis.

I'm one of those who saw Star Wars in theaters back in 1977. Then the re-release in the early 1980s, before ROTJ. And I wonder... what IS the definitive version?
-Is it the mono or Dolby stereo audio mix? The mono mix version was released a little bit later in June 1977, and had additional dialogue... should THAT be included?
-Is is a fresh-from-the-lab color print, or like the one(s) I saw that had probably been run through the projector countless times? Should there be the cue mark/switch reel marks, or not?
-Should it be in 35mm, or 70mm (as both were technically used for the film)?
-Should theaters in 2027 play film stock, on now out-of-date projectors? Most theaters use 2K digital projection now; some use 4K. Would a modern theater laser projector at 4K be acceptable to us?

Pointless questions in many ways, but what would be an acceptable refresh of the film so that OCD'ers like us would say it's the ORIGINAL being displayed?

IMO, an "original" theatrical version presentation in 2027 would involve:
1) A "print" that is restored and color corrected to its original values, and derived from original film assets wherever possible.
2) The Dolby stereo mix... but with the additional mono mix dialogue added in (as MOST of us would have probably seen this version). No modern day sound enhancements, no Dolby Atmos, etc.
3) Grain. The film grain should be preserved and not "cleared" Whether this could be represented digitally, I am not sure.
4) Matte lines should still be present. While these where more evident on home video releases, if we want to get to the original, then the matte lines around creatures and ships should be there. NO clean-up... let the original tech shine through, with all of its shortcomings.
5) No traces of SE additions... NO digital Jabba or blue screen Boba Fett, NO digital ships or "sped up" shots during the Death Star attacks, NO cleaned-up opening crawl, NO hyper enhanced light saber blades, even though this means leaving the almost white saber in the Falcon Jedi remote training scene, and the more muted saber colors from Vader V. Kenobi, NO Greedo shoots first.

...etc, you get the point.
 
4) Matte lines should still be present. While these where more evident on home video releases, if we want to get to the original, then the matte lines around creatures and ships should be there. NO clean-up... let the original tech shine through, with all of its shortcomings.

Say what you want about matte lines in some composited scenes. But the garbage matte boxes in the OT space battles drive me crazy. Those were not that visible in the theater. (And if they had been, then the ILM guys would have probably worked more to reduce them.) They need to be toned-down for video releases IMO.

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For the life of me, I don't understand why people disagree with this. Are we shooting for the OG theater experience or not?

Modern video equipment is 50 years removed from when the movies came out. It does not reproduce all elements of the old footage equally. Tweaks are necessary. Not to alter it, but to make it look LESS altered.
 
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Say what you want about matte lines in some composited scenes. But the garbage matte boxes in the OT space battles drive me crazy. Those were not that visible in the theater. (And if they had been, then the ILM guys would have probably worked more to reduce them.) They need to be toned-down for video releases IMO.

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For the life of me, I don't understand why people disagree with this. Are we shooting for the OG theater experience or not?

Modern video equipment is 50 years removed from when the movies came out. It does not reproduce all elements of the old footage equally. Tweaks are necessary. Not to alter it, but to make it look LESS altered.
This. 1000%.

Any endeavor like this, if it were to happen, isn't done purely out of the goodness of their hearts as we all know corporations have no hearts. If it can't turn a profit, it isn't happening.

You release an anniversary edition looking like that shot about, and it'll get crucified across the board. There aren't enough diehards on the planet to make a release like that turn a profit and not be ripped to shreds by critics and fans alike. It would likely do more disservice to the movies than anything else. It wouldn't not go down as a '50th year celebration'. You'll hear the like of the following flood every article, post, review for ages: For a movie that's made billions over the years and billions more in merchandising, the best they could do was simply scan a 50 year old print to a modern video file and then charge admission? We know it's not the actual truth, but considering you have to appease some non-diehards to turn any profit, that'll be the epitaph and LFL will be crucified for a horrid anniversary money grab. I've got nearly 40 year VHS tapes that have been played since the late 90's that don't look that bad.
 
Say what you want about matte lines in some composited scenes. But the garbage matte boxes in the OT space battles drive me crazy. Those were not that visible in the theater. (And if they had been, then the ILM guys would have probably worked more to reduce them.) They need to be toned-down for video releases IMO.

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For the life of me, I don't understand why people disagree with this. Are we shooting for the OG theater experience or not?

Modern video equipment is 50 years removed from when the movies came out. It does not reproduce all elements of the old footage equally. Tweaks are necessary. Not to alter it, but to make it look LESS altered.
As a kid watching the films on VHS there was only ever one scene where the matte lines jumped out at me (ROTJ - Lando in the rebel hangar). Even beyond your point, there are going to be wide tolerances for what people do and don't notice as far as old effects are concerned.
 
People like Rick Worley falsely say that us dumb fanboys “really” want a remastered version of the films, akin to the Special Editions, and would not be happy with what the films actually looked like, back in the day. Which is not true.

Personally, I want a warts-and-all release, akin to what a boutique company like Vinegar Syndrome or Kino Lorber would give us: A new scan of the negative or an interpositive, with no revisionism. Just color grading and whatnot that’s faithful to the original release.

Some of the fan bootleg projects have tried to split the difference, by conforming the 1997 remastering/color grading/recomposites to the original edits. A sort of “Special Editions without the alterations”, version, as if the films had only been restored without altering the effects and the edit.


It’s a fine line. Every director wants their film to be the best it can possibly be. BUT, as noted, a film is a snapshot of the time, place, and resources it was made with. Those matte lines, garbage mattes, and other imperfections are a part of what the film actually was when it came out. It shows how much they were able to accomplish with what they had to work with. It’s an historical artifact of a bygone era.


I have absolutely no problem with a slick, pristine, garbage matte-free Special Edition, so long as the version of first publication is also available to study. STAR WARS is easily in the top five most important and influential films ever made, and is a visual effects landmark.

Future film fans and historians are being deprived of seeing what the film actually was, at the time of its release. CGI characters and digital compositing didn’t exist in 1977, but the current official version of the film certainly tries to pretend that they did.
 
… a film is a snapshot of the time, place, and resources it was made with. Those matte lines, garbage mattes, and other imperfections are a part of what the film actually was when it came out. It shows how much they were able to accomplish with what they had to work with. It’s an historical artifact of a bygone era.

Yep. And I’m sure Disney is scared that showing an “old“ film, as it originally appeared, would not appeal to the vast majority of modern day movie goers; that It wouldn’t put enough butts in seats, or enough dollars in the corporate bank account.

Ultimately, a film is a product.
A product of the story AND the screenplay.
A product of the director.
A product of the actors, assistants, cameramen, wardrobe, and makeup artists.
A product of the sound design.
A product of the visual effects and special effects.
A product of the score.
A product of the advertising.
A product of the studio.
A product of the edit (ESPECIALLY in 1977 Star Wars)
A product of the society, technology, and time during which it was created.

Trying to remix that stew in a crockpot now 50 years later… is near impossible. Because you will never get it to taste quite the same again.

BUT… I recently had a chance to visit Nick Maley down in St. Maarten, where he and his wife retired years ago, and opened their little museum/store. I haven’t seen him in 17 years, and this was the first time I saw his original trilogy Yoda recreation in person. He showed it to me, demoed tthe puppeteering mechanics, and was able to improve it based on materials retrieved from Stuart Freeborn’s home after his death. Pictures don’t do it justice; he was able to re-create the original trilogy Yoda that he had helped construct 46 years ago.

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"Which version?" Who knows, maybe an entirely new version?
What is for certain is, only the original version is an Academy Award winning film.
 
Those matte lines, garbage mattes, and other imperfections are a part of what the film actually was when it came out. It shows how much they were able to accomplish with what they had to work with. It’s an historical artifact of a bygone era.

This is where I dig my heels in and disagree with a lot of fans of originality.

The visibly-obvious garbage mattes in the DVD/Blu-Ray releases are NOT original to the movie. They are a by-product of later video equipment, which raises the image contrast higher than it ever was during a theater viewing.

Those matte boxes bother me because the movie DID NOT look like that in theaters in 1977. Removing the boxes would RESTORE the original appearance (when it's viewed on modern video equipment).
 
The matte boxes were visible in 1977 too, just not in every shot.

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Sources: 1976 trailer (35mm) and 1982 re-release trailer (35mm)
 
I think the restoration part of the special editions had the right approach. And Lucas could at that time have done the sensible thing of locking the restorated version off and then did the special edition additions separately, to a second master, so he had both. He didn't.

I would want the kind of restoration we see in many old films, where they preserve what is there, but remove artifacts that show up in the transfer to another medium. The War of the Worlds didn't show the wires in the technicolor prints, but it showed up in the transfers to another media because of how they chose to do the transfer - not using the full technicolor capability. The latest restoration went to great lengths to bring over the full technicolor experience.

I am not a fan of Ridley Scott - I find most of his movies visually stunning, but boring as hell. But he gave us 5 different fully restored versions of Blade Runner.

And I love the restored Bela Lugosi Dracula with restored scenes removed from later versions.

The fact that anyone says it is not worth it to do the same with Star Wars, honestly, needs to shut up. It doesn't happen, not because of money, not because of percieved lack of interest, or any other single thing but because George Lucas doesn't want it to be available, for whatever childish dumb reaon he's holding it back.

If Ridley Scott can do it and other old movie restorations can do it, heck, we even have TV version restorations of Superman and the unfinished Donner version of Superman 2 finished. So if it can be done for those... there is no excuse left to use on why it can't or won't be done for Star Wars. There is only 1 reason it isn't happening and we all know it: George Lucas!

I am grateful to him for making Star Wars and changing movie history. But this is beyond petty.
 
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