Star Trek: Picard

[ScourgiousJinx]

That's a pretty closed minded view of things. I've got news for you, there are people on the planet older than you - and they have value.

The Story is about Jean-Luc Picard, and yes at this point in his story he's an older guy. WTF does that matter if it tells a good story?

Season 1 of Picard had some great story lines - that the production failed to really deliver on. Bits and pieces were great but overall it was lacking IMO. I'm hopeful that the writing on this season is a bit more focused and thoughtful. Nostalgia is fine, but I want more meat to the story.

Jedi Dade

Stop the presses? The elderly have a ton of value but aren't capable of doing absolutely everything forever. At some point the car keys have to be put away (or taken away if it comes to that) when they could easily hurt themselves or others. There are many many ways to have value, challenge oneself and continue to grow. Not everything needs to involve reliving the glory days of high risk exploits.

When it comes to Picard/Stewart he looks, sounds and acts like he's going to fall apart at any moment so yes having him in this role now seems completely ridiculous and unbelievable given all of the parameters of the character for this show. It's fantasy obviously not everything needs to be super realistic but suspension of disbelief for me in this one is difficult as per Stewart being a mobile corpse and distracts from the story (which has its own issues).

 

[wayouteast]

Stop the presses? The elderly have a ton of value but aren't capable of doing absolutely everything forever. At some point the car keys have to be put away (or taken away if it comes to that) when they could easily hurt themselves or others. There are many many ways to have value, challenge oneself and continue to grow. Not everything needs to involve reliving the glory days of high risk exploits.

When it comes to Picard/Stewart he looks, sounds and acts like he's going to fall apart at any moment so yes having him in this role now seems completely ridiculous and unbelievable given all of the parameters of the character for this show. It's fantasy obviously not everything needs to be super realistic but suspension of disbelief for me in this one is difficult as per Stewart being a mobile corpse and distracts from the story (which has its own issues).

My bet is that when you eventually become, in your words, 'a mobile corpse' (yeah, sure, a ton of value expressed in that phrase) your opinion and attitude will have radically changed. I hope you're as fit and healthy as Stewart appears to be in order to recognise it.

 

[Jedi Dade]

Your parents and grand parents must LOVE you... And having taken an old persons keys away - its not something to be taken lightly... but even after the keys were taken away that person was still a viable person even if the physical skills had deteriorated.

And you mentioned it - its a fantasy - Science FICTION. As long as the story is good there is nothing wrong with saving the galaxy at any age...

Jedi Dade

 

[Riceball]

Stop the presses? The elderly have a ton of value but aren't capable of doing absolutely everything forever. At some point the car keys have to be put away (or taken away if it comes to that) when they could easily hurt themselves or others. There are many many ways to have value, challenge oneself and continue to grow. Not everything needs to involve reliving the glory days of high risk exploits.

When it comes to Picard/Stewart he looks, sounds and acts like he's going to fall apart at any moment so yes having him in this role now seems completely ridiculous and unbelievable given all of the parameters of the character for this show. It's fantasy obviously not everything needs to be super realistic but suspension of disbelief for me in this one is difficult as per Stewart being a mobile corpse and distracts from the story (which has its own issues).

I agree with you, but, this is Star Trek we're talking about and someone who is geriatric in real life wouldn't be so in the Trek-verse and by the time that Picard takes place. Even now, with advents in modern medicine and health care, people are active much longer than they used to be with 80 year olds carrying on like they're still in their 70s or even late 60s in some cases. So you got to figure that by the time Picard takes place, being 80 is more like being 60 nowadays I find it much more believable to see an old Picard gallivanting around the galaxy than a 70+ Indy running around the world.

 

[Treadwell]

But he is a “robotic geriatric gollum” now, you see, so it’s like, completely different.

So it’s really a robot that is programmed to act geriatric vs. being truly geriatric.

Wouldn’t that be totally cool if it was like Cocoon and “Gollum Picard” started breakdancing in the next season, like Don Ameche did in the film?

So much “YES”!!!!!

It’ll be the most dope moves seen since Breakin’ 2: Electric Boogaloo!!

Do you mean Golem?

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[CessnaDriver]

^^^ awesome, like Ive always thought, a few real fans sitting at a dinner table could write better than the hacks out there that write garbage like discovery, the prequels, the sequels etc etc, Star Trek V is better than Discovery and Picard

Picard was going to be an archeologist, whole tons of adventures seeking the galaxies greats

^^^ awesome, like Ive always thought, a few real fans sitting at a dinner table could write better than the hacks out there that write garbage like discovery, the prequels, the sequels etc etc, Star Trek V is better than Discovery and Picard

Given there have been some fan efforts that clearly get Trek, I agree. Space
Archeologist Picard with his young team exploring mysteries of the galaxy outside of the restrictions of his starfleet duties would have flew. Oh well. All down the drain now.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Do you mean Golem?

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Hmmmm….now, I am not so sure which version would be most appropriate, under the circumstances. I mean, did not Picard also obsess about a precious, all consuming item that compelled his actions? For Picard, it was Data, and for Gollum, the One Ring.

Am I describing what he has become, or what he may be compared to? Either golem or Gollum is OK with me, I suppose.

(Look at me, pathetically doing all that I can not to admit to a spelling error that I made...)

 

[ScourgiousJinx]

Your parents and grand parents must LOVE you... And having taken an old persons keys away - its not something to be taken lightly... but even after the keys were taken away that person was still a viable person even if the physical skills had deteriorated.

And you mentioned it - its a fantasy - Science FICTION. As long as the story is good there is nothing wrong with saving the galaxy at any age...

Jedi Dade

My bet is that when you eventually become, in your words, 'a mobile corpse' (yeah, sure, a ton of value expressed in that phrase) your opinion and attitude will have radically changed. I hope you're as fit and healthy as Stewart appears to be in order to recognise it.

Wow. Mobile corpse was a joke, not meant to be taken seriously or literally. And yes taking away independence on any level for anyone is a very difficult decision. I didn't say they weren't viable in all ways, in fact I said quite the opposite but thats cool if people want to pick and choose what they read.

Waiting to die is not the only alternative to grand adventure. There are a lot of options in between especially for someone who doesn't appear to be in great health and is too old to be doing what he's doing IMO.

It's the physical aspects of what Picard is doing and the stress he's putting on himself at his age that I have issue with. Seeing him survive and best assassins who were supposedly some of the deadliest in the universe at his age as well him "galavanting" around the galaxy with a terminal condition were not believable to me. Science fiction still needs to be "realistic" within its own universe and the rules therein. Feel free to disagree, it's just opinion.

 

[DarkKnight]

what stupidity, he programmed a normal lifespan, the show was for lack of better words emo, kinda like discovery, where's the adventure? I want Star Trek not some romance/fantasy novel.

 

[jkno]

I find this video to be better than Picard series:

 

[Treadwell]

There are YT videos of boils being lanced that were better than the Picard series.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

I think, sadly, the results of Picard, thus far, make it clear that not only do the current showrunners not “get” Star Trek, and the character of Captain Picard, but neither does Patrick Stewart.

 

[Johnnyfl]

I find this video to be better than Picard series:

I did at least enjoy watching the video three times! it was a struggle to watch the Picard series once but that could have been just shear ****ing hubris on my part!

 

[The Terminator]

I find this video to be better than Picard series:

Cancer is better than Kurtzman's JJ Trek.

 

[Riceball]

I didn't find Picard to be that bad. it wasn't great and it certainly wasn't good Trek, but it was watchable and somewhat entertaining. It had its moments but I definitely agree that the writers don't get Trek. Whoever approved the design of the ship that Picard ends up hitching a ride on doesn't get Trek design aesthetics either, that ship, while pretty good looking, doesn't look like it belongs in the Trek universe. Granted we very seldomly, if ever, see a purely civilian ship in any iteration of Star Trek, that ship looked more like it would be at home in a Star Wars film or show than in Trek.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

I think Gold Key Comics Star Trek is closer to “actual Trek” than any of the product produced by Paramount and their partners, since 2009…and that’s saying a lot.

 

[Gregatron]

I think Gold Key Comics Star Trek is closer to “actual Trek” than any of the product produced by Paramount and their partners, since 2009…and that’s saying a lot.


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Absolutely. The franchise has been in a hostage crisis for nearly two decades, and Abrams, Kurtzman, and their goon squad of hacks have been fixated on rewriting it, milking it, and using it as a "platform" for "activism".

The last gasp of anything even remotely resembling the real STAR TREK was in 2005, when ENTERPRISE was cancelled. Everything since then has been INVASION OF THE TREK SNATCHERS. People who do not understand or care about the franchise or its history trying again and again to turn it into something it isn't. Essentially, the dumb jocks have stolen the greatest sci-fi franchise of all time, scooped its brain out, and turned it into the polar opposite of what Roddenberry and his collaborators were doing by producing nihilistic, dumbed-down action-schlock to be used as a tool to tell people WHAT to think, rather than TO think. Propaganda instead of storytelling. Awful writing disguised with some of the most expensive production values in television history.

The creative bankruptcy knows no limits. They've milked and spit upon TOS with Godawful reboots and prequels. Then they moved to TNG. Soon, DS9 nostalgia-baiting will be next. Sisko's race will be used as a springboard for yet more of-its-time political preaching, with no consideration in regards to trying to tell a good STAR TREK story that's true to the established characters and lore.


The pattern has been obvious and inevitable. The result is a wrecked franchise and a broken fanbase.

 

[Jedi Dade]

Yes - Bad Robots handling of the franchise has been poor to say the least. I can't believe Paramount extended them another 5 years

Jedi Dade.

 

[jkno]

Cancer is better than Kurtzman's JJ Trek.

I can only say that this thread is better than Picard.

 

[Paul Andrew]

Welp, this isn't exactly what I wanted to see...