NakedMoleRat
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I do not want this!
I will not watch this!
I want Star Trek: Legacy with Captain of Nine and crew!
I will not watch this!
I want Star Trek: Legacy with Captain of Nine and crew!
Star Trek: Starfleet Academy
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Paul Giamatti Joins ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’ as Main Villain
'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' has cast Paul Giamatti in a recurring guest role as the first season's main villain.
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Uh, no.
Paul Giamatti Joins ‘Star Trek: Starfleet Academy’ as Main Villain
'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' has cast Paul Giamatti in a recurring guest role as the first season's main villain.
Uh, no.
He has no doubt been cast as Captain Skyhook, nemeis to the Starfleet Space Kidettes…
I really don't understand why Star Trek always has to have a villain nowadays. Some of the best episodes of Trek had no villain at all, but problems to solve.
In the interviews, creators are always saying stuff like, "Yeah, we're working to make sure we have a great villain this time," as if it's necessary. Star Trek is not superhero comics.
In the interviews, creators are always saying stuff like, "Yeah, we're working to make sure we have a great villain this time," as if it's necessary. Star Trek is not superhero comics.
CB2001
Master Member
Because of the writers, who clearly just paid attention to how to write in the format more than how to actually write a story when taking writing classes. XD
I think some of the blame also falls on Nick Meyer, who gave us Wrath of Khan, which convinced studios that this is how you make money...forget the exploration crap, we need vendetta!
Wrath of Khan is an amazing, wonderful film. But it ain't Roddenberry's vision for Trek.
I think Khan is why we got Kruge, Sybok, Chang, Soran, Borg Queen, Ru'afo, Nero, Marcus & Khan 2, and Krall...with only the brief Roddenberryesque respite of The Voyage Home.
Forgive my whining, and thank god for TNG.
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Bloop
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I think some of the blame also falls on Nick Meyer, who gave us Wrath of Khan, which convinced studios that this is how you make money...forget the exploration crap, we need vendetta!
Wrath of Khan is an amazing, wonderful film. But it ain't Roddenberry's vision for Trek.
I think Khan is why we got Kruge, Sybok, Chang, Soran, Borg Queen, Ru'afo, Nero, Marcus & Khan 2, and Krall...with only the brief Roddenberryesque respite of The Voyage Home.
Forgive my whining, and thank god for TNG.
Ronald D. Moore explains it here, how movie execs kept demanding "we need a Khan":
Moore also goes into detail of why Star Trek isn't necessarily a good fit for the movie format, even though they have made some good Trek films:
...Trek is, in some ways, an uncomfortable fit to the big screen I’ve kind of come to feel, even though I did two of them. I thought First Contact was a really good film, Generations not so much. And Wrath of Khan is an outstanding film. The Voyage Home works really well, and so on. It’s not that they’re not good movies, but it feels like the movies have to be spectacle. The movies have to be gigantic, action-adventure, lots of shooting, lots of things at stake – except for Voyage Home. And that’s not really Star Trek to me.
To me, Trek is a morality play. It’s a show about ethical dilemmas. It’s a science fiction show about “What if?” And it’s a character piece. The best parts of Trek don’t necessarily lend themselves towards the big screen. For instance, you couldn’t do “Data’s Day” as a movie, right? It was one of my favorite episodes. “The Conscience of the King” from The Original Series is one of my favorite episodes. That’s not a movie. So, the movie version always has to be hyped up and overdamped and they’re big giant roller coasters. And I don’t know that the roller coaster aspect is what attracts me to Star Trek the most.
So, if they asked me what to do with the movies, I don’t know. I’d want to reboot and start over and do something very different. And try a different flavor of Star Trek for the big screen. And not just make ‘Who’s going to be the “Khan” in this version? What’s the big, giant weapon that’s going to threaten the universe? Or anything like that. I think you’d have to find some sci-fi angle that made it more about: What are the roots of Trek? Why did people come to fall in love with it in the first place? And that’s a tall order.
Full interview:
Interview: Ron Moore On Why Star Trek Is An Uncomfortable Fit For The Big Screen
The veteran of TNG and DS9 also offers his thoughts on the possible Section 31 series and more.trekmovie.com
The biggest mistake Paramount made with the franchise is passing on Ron Moore to lead the franchise and handing the keys to the kitchen over to Bad Robot.
Riceball
Master Member
Not having a villain might work for Trek on TV but for a movie a villain, or at least some sort of antagonist is needed, in my opinion. A 2-hour movie exploring humanity doesn't really work, and you end up with something like TMP. But for TV I'd agree that a villain isn't really needed, at least not a regular villain, a recurring villain like in TNG and TOS could work.
The villains of Modern Trek are the Standards of Quality and Good Taste…
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NakedMoleRat
Master Member
And multiple attacks from Bad Robots!
NakedMoleRat
Master Member
Robert Picardo was just announced as joining the cast. I’m guessing he’ll be The Doctor reactivated 950 years later.
NakedMoleRat
Master Member
We had that with Prodigy.
Lightning
Master Member
or he's been active the whole time. The timing is also right for the stolen backup EMH to show up. that could be a fun episode.
NakedMoleRat
Master Member
It’s all just pandering to the legacy fans. “Look, The Doctor will be in it! This proves it will be awesome!”
Khan was a revisiting of one of Trek's most notorious villains, and a very decent entry into the Star Trek canon. If you recall, Reliant was surveying planets as possible candidates for Project Genesis' "Stage 3" when they accidentally came across Ceti Alpha 5/6 and Khan's isolated refuge there. It illustrates one of the hazards of space exploration: not remembering where you have already been and what you left there.I think some of the blame also falls on Nick Meyer, who gave us Wrath of Khan, which convinced studios that this is how you make money...forget the exploration crap, we need vendetta!
Wrath of Khan is an amazing, wonderful film. But it ain't Roddenberry's vision for Trek.
I think Khan is why we got Kruge, Sybok, Chang, Soran, Borg Queen, Ru'afo, Nero, Marcus & Khan 2, and Krall...with only the brief Roddenberryesque respite of The Voyage Home.
Forgive my whining, and thank god for TNG.
Personally, I think while WoK may have had some influence on why Kruge (and maybe Sybok) came into the films, you have to remember that some of TOS' episodes were about vendetta, and so were some of TNG's.
As for the later movies and such: yeah, they went with the effects of those things and forgot the heart and soul of Trek.
signeddiamond
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Inching closer to my Star Trek children's tv show idea. About Data being tossed into a elementary school and learning about morality, kindness, and friendship. Got to get the kids hooked early.
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