Spider-Man: No Way Home
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Frogfreak
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I know! some may even say it was "wicked"!
Lol!!! I love this communityI know! some may even say it was "wicked"!
HMSwolfe
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I always loved the Alfred Molina Doc Ock, that got me. I’m still a little put out as I would have preferred a simpler, small-scale Spider-Man film where he does Spider-Man stuff instead of “building block #14 in next grand phase of the almighty unending MCU”, but I hope it’ll be good nonetheless.
Yeah, me too... I got hit with a wave of nostalgia when I saw the tentacle - I was on the crew that made the practical Doc Ock tentacles for Raimi's Spider-Man 2. I guess they'll probably be all CG this time around?
HeartBlade
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Seeing the Goblin bomb from Raimi 1 and Morlina Doc Ock was great.
little worried about the fact that there are 2 villains as well as introducing the multiverse. Could be too much in one movie which hurt Spiderman 3.
little worried about the fact that there are 2 villains as well as introducing the multiverse. Could be too much in one movie which hurt Spiderman 3.
My interest in the character began fading after Raimi's Spiderman 2. This doesn't look bad per se, but I think I'm kind of over the character. Just like I don't really need another take on Batman. I mean the teaser for that one looked better than I thought it would, but still. idk.
I hope it's good and people enjoy it. meh. have fun everyone!
I hope it's good and people enjoy it. meh. have fun everyone!
HMSwolfe
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That’s amazing, major props to you
I feel like such a chump for being won over for seeing Dafoe's Green Goblin and Molina's Doc Ock. I love the first two Raimi films, especially the second. It's pandering to me, and I know it is, and I feel disgusted being swayed by it.
I know I'll always have the first two Spider-man films but it feels so degrading for these characters to be in the MCU context where they're just toys to do crazy stuff. They worked for the films they were in and a lot of thought was put into how they would've existed in a reality closer to our own. Doc Ock is a perfect example of this; whatever the cheese that was how and why he got his arms, his movement was a heavy consideration (he only ever used 2 or 3 at a time, he always needed a pair to keep him stable) and knowing they're in this...All that consideration and thought has gone out the window for ludicrous action. I just know they're gonna turn these characters back into the 1-dimensional fronts the films they were in tried to get them away from. And it kills me knowing this and having a slight interest in seeing how it pans out.
...That hurts me to my soul.
Also, something like this scene will never be in a movie like this ever again.
I know I'll always have the first two Spider-man films but it feels so degrading for these characters to be in the MCU context where they're just toys to do crazy stuff. They worked for the films they were in and a lot of thought was put into how they would've existed in a reality closer to our own. Doc Ock is a perfect example of this; whatever the cheese that was how and why he got his arms, his movement was a heavy consideration (he only ever used 2 or 3 at a time, he always needed a pair to keep him stable) and knowing they're in this...All that consideration and thought has gone out the window for ludicrous action. I just know they're gonna turn these characters back into the 1-dimensional fronts the films they were in tried to get them away from. And it kills me knowing this and having a slight interest in seeing how it pans out.
...That hurts me to my soul.
Also, something like this scene will never be in a movie like this ever again.
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Was it true that the harness weighed a hundred pounds? Do you have any stories about your time working on that film?
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Frogfreak
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In a good or bad way?
Good way.
HeartBlade
Sr Member
If the multiverse thing is true, I guess one thing is certain: JK Simmons was fated to play JJ Jameson no matter what universe we live in.
Imagine if that became a plot point in the movie lol.
Imagine if that became a plot point in the movie lol.
Wow, that was a great trailer!
Great that Marvel are giving us a Spider Man film as an early Christmas present. I'm intrigued as to why the Sanctum has snow inside!
Black Widow, Shang Chi, Eternals and Spider-Man, what a bumper year for the MCU at the cinema after the pandemic. I can't wait. Me and my girlfriend are there on opening day for every MCU film!
Excelsior
Great that Marvel are giving us a Spider Man film as an early Christmas present. I'm intrigued as to why the Sanctum has snow inside!
Black Widow, Shang Chi, Eternals and Spider-Man, what a bumper year for the MCU at the cinema after the pandemic. I can't wait. Me and my girlfriend are there on opening day for every MCU film!
Excelsior
Heh... "props." I see what you did there.
I honestly have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised if all four tentacles + the "girdle" weighed a hundred pounds (if not a bit more). 99% of the parts were cast in expanding rigid foam to try and keep the weight down, because everything was electroplated (and was spectacular).
Most of my memories from my time working in the industry are of the people that I worked with. When I think of that job I think of a good friend who was instrumental in getting me on that crew, and I recall that his first child was born when we were on that show. That friend died in December of 2015 at the age of 48 from cancer (most likely industry related).
But I also remember that a lot of my time on that show was spent creating the "secondary tentacle," which was the smaller, tapered, whip-like tentacle that came out of Doc Ock's upper main tentacle - he used it to grab Aunt May, MJ, and Spider-Man himself, during the fight on the train.
If I remember correctly it was about 8 feet long and the number 145 sticks in my memory - there were (at least) 145 individual "vertebrae" (all hand-made) and I think each one was only about 1% - 2% smaller than the one that preceeded it, from root to tip. Back then (2002 - 2003) 3D scanning and 3d printing were just beginning to be a thing - the tips for the secondary tentacles were mini 3D prints of the full-size tentacle tip that had been scanned.
Here I had just completed assembly of the first secondary tentacle (minus the tip, which we were still waiting on). So to celebrate, of course there was some goofing around and silly picture taking.
I think I did 2 or 3 of them altogether, and then there was an animatronic version (which was handled by a different department) and a couple rubber stunt versions.
I also recall that I met John Dykstra on that job - he was a VFX designer for the film. You ever hear the saying "don't meet your heroes" ? Yeah... that.
And costume designer James Acheson was at the shop pretty regularly - he was a very cool guy. He was costume designer for the original Highlander - I got an autographed copy of his original concept design for the Kurgan costume.
He was also costume designer on Terry Gilliam's Brazil (which is my absolute favorite Gilliam film). I remember one of my comrades in the model shop ribbing him about the shoe hat design - he confessed that he had nicked the idea from a French fashion designer from the early 20th century.So that's the sort of stuff that I remember.
Good times... (mostly)
Thanks for sharing The 48th Ronin ! I absolutely love the first entries of the Spider-Man films and Spider-Man 2 is up there with Superman, I think, as some of the finest examples of the subgenre has to offer. I devour anything I can learn more of the production. The practical work on the tentacles were some really impressive feats, they're so good that they hold up to this day even with the flashiest CG out there. There was a real honesty to them which I'm sure informed a lot of the direction and performance on Molina's part.
(PS: I've also heard Dykstra is a bit difficult)
(PS: I've also heard Dykstra is a bit difficult)
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