Spider-Man: No Way Home

[DazzlerFan]

I didn’t get to at at all from the movie. Simply Forget that Peter Parker is Spider-Man, not forget Peter Parker.

I’m pretty sure

Spoiler

everyone forgot Peter Parker. Here’s why:

- MJ and Ned did not know who he was. MJ even called him the wrong name after meeting him.

- Happy didn’t know who Peter was. Which is odd because he had a fling with May, but didn’t know Peter (her nephew that lives with her). I suppose he knew she had a nephew, but has no memory of who he is or he doesn’t even know she had a nephew.

- Peter didn’t graduate high school as evidenced by the fact he had a GED study book. I assume this is because no one at the school would know who he was and thus he couldnt graduate because no one would know that he was the student that they have records for (assuming a paper record of him exists, which will be a huge problem otherwise if he doesn’t have a Social Security card)

Uhg! Magic creates so many questions. Still the movie is awesome!

 

[NakedMoleRat]

My point was, there was no need to make everyone forget who Peter Parker was. All they needed to do was make everyone forget that Peter Parker is Spider-Man

 

[DazzlerFan]

My point was, there was no need to make everyone forget who Peter Parker was. All they needed to do was make everyone forget that Peter Parker is Spider-Man

Gotcha. Yeah, we both agree. Of course it holds more dramatic tension the way they did it, but logically it doesn’t make a lot of sense.

 

[NeoRutty]

Gotcha. Yeah, we both agree. Of course it holds more dramatic tension the way they did it, but logically it doesn’t make a lot of sense.

And makes him a complete and total hero in every sense cuz he wasn't just saving people, but saving them selflessly....

Goddamn everything about the ending is great.

 

[PoopaPapaPalps]

Is it me or did the scenes featuring Thomas Haden Church as Flint Marko (not Sandman) and Rhys Ifans as Dr Connors use footage from Raimi's Spider-man 3 and Webb's TASM 2 respectively rather than newly shot ones?

Yep, I imagine that's why they were cartoons for most of the movie (Lizard for more obvious reasons), despite the fact that Sandman could actually look like a person and not a man made of sand for most of it. I imagine the actors just weren't available for it so they just took scenes they could use.

Yeah, everyone forgetting Peter Parker works with the context of the movie as it is happening but upon any thought applied to it, I did find it a bit weird that it reset his life despite there would still be paper evidence of his existence. The spell was people would forget him but the fact he got his own place in the end and, likely, a normal job to pay for it would require him to have some paperwork.

 

[Schlegel]

Went with the whole family. My comicbook tolerating wife loved it, kids were entertained. My elderly mother enjoyed it so much she almost totally forgot to keep asking me to explain what was happening, which has been my scifi movie job for her since i was like 6.

 

[Riceball]

Yep, I imagine that's why they were cartoons for most of the movie (Lizard for more obvious reasons), despite the fact that Sandman could actually look like a person and not a man made of sand for most of it. I imagine the actors just weren't available for it so they just took scenes they could use.

Yeah, everyone forgetting Peter Parker works with the context of the movie as it is happening but upon any thought applied to it, I did find it a bit weird that it reset his life despite there would still be paper evidence of his existence. The spell was people would forget him but the fact he got his own place in the end and, likely, a normal job to pay for it would require him to have some paperwork.

The spell wasn't to make it seem like Peter Parker never existed, just that people forgot who he is and that he's Spider-Man. So he, obviously, still exists on paper, it's just that everyone who ever knew him and/or knew that he's Spider-Man has forgotten about it. The real hole in this is that in order for it to work as intended, it has to also erase the Mysterior reveal video and every hit piece that JJJ had done since the reveal video.

 

[NeoRutty]

The spell wasn't to make it seem like Peter Parker never existed, just that people forgot who he is and that he's Spider-Man. So he, obviously, still exists on paper, it's just that everyone who ever knew him and/or knew that he's Spider-Man has forgotten about it. The real hole in this is that in order for it to work as intended, it has to also erase the Mysterior reveal video and every hit piece that JJJ had done since the reveal video.

I think that's the magic part... or will be excused with "magic" anyway...

Cuz all that info about him at the Avengers compound would be erased... I know it was destroyed, but I'm sure they back up on a Stark cloud or something.

I kinda ran through it in my head though, and really, everyone who knew Spider-man from Civil War... Peter wouldn't care... or from Nick Fury's camp...

Happy would hurt...

Looking forward to seeing it again tonight. So much happens I almost forget Strange is even in it... yet alone most of the first act fun!

 

[Halliwax]

Wow just realizing now that sandman and the lizard was recycled footage.. is that a slap in the face to the actors or what.. c’mon..

They sure did have me fooled in the theater I would have never guessed they were recycled

 

[Halliwax]

Sand man in sand mode wasn’t voiced by the original actor either was he? I thought that sounded off..

With that being said I’ve seen the amazing Spider-Man movies once.. was the lizards voice also different?

 

[Treadwell]

Wow just realizing now that sandman and the lizard was recycled footage.. is that a slap in the face to the actors or what.. c’mon..

They sure did have me fooled in the theater I would have never guessed they were recycled

I'm sure they were invited...and a nice check certainly eases ill feelings....

 

[Halliwax]

I'm sure they were invited...and a nice check certainly eases ill feelings....

It is 100% confirmed it’s recycled?

 

[CadetTK2386]

Wow just realizing now that sandman and the lizard was recycled footage.. is that a slap in the face to the actors or what.. c’mon..

They sure did have me fooled in the theater I would have never guessed they were recycled

Well them being "recycled footage" in their human forms is only speculation at this point and both original actors did return to reprise the dialogue.

The difference you might hear in Thomas Haden Church's voice as Sandman could be either an intentional effect they applied to his voice as a like "sand Effect," or it could simply be age.

As for the minutiae of how the spell works and what kind of paperwork might exist and things like that, I know I can feel my own mind starting to pluck at those strings, but since this pretty much same scenario has happened twice in the Comics, Peter making Doctor Strange have everyone forget his identity after he unmasked himself during Civil War and then when Mephisto erased Peter and MJ's marriage, I can give it a bit of a pass. In both of those cases in the comics it took years to give explanations which were often contradictory as to who knew what, when, and how.

With OMD it was vague and unconfirmed for years how much Peter and MJ themselves remembered or knew, whether they knew they had been married,if they knew they traded it to Mephisto for Aunt May's life, and how it worked and what events were changed or ignored. Same for Peter having Dr. Strange do this same identity removal spell. Even though that happen in like 2006, it wasn't until just like last year that we had it touched about how the memory erasure impacted Felicia and her memories from her time with Peter.

With both Sony and Feige saying they do want to get more Spidey films made with Holland I'm sure we will get some answers in the MCU long before Comic fans got answers to these exact same questions.

 

[NeoRutty]

Nice thing is, anyone left from civil war, or who he’s talked to as spider-man would remember him just as he was… just “ohhh I wonder who he is under there”… which I guess would be Happy… War Machine… Vision… Pepper…

Infinity War he went right to space… hung out at the “Defeat Thanos wrap party” (Tony’s funeral…) and that was about it…

So wouldn’t be too awkward at all, really…

But any inconsistencies or weirdness is just gonn be “well… magic, ya know?”

 

[Halliwax]

Well them being "recycled footage" in their human forms is only speculation at this point and both original actors did return to reprise the dialogue.

The difference you might hear in Thomas Haden Church's voice as Sandman could be either an intentional effect they applied to his voice as a like "sand Effect," or it could simply be age.

As for the minutiae of how the spell works and what kind of paperwork might exist and things like that, I know I can feel my own mind starting to pluck at those strings, but since this pretty much same scenario has happened twice in the Comics, Peter making Doctor Strange have everyone forget his identity after he unmasked himself during Civil War and then when Mephisto erased Peter and MJ's marriage, I can give it a bit a of pass. In both of those case's in the comics it took years to give explanations which were often contradictory as to who knew what, when, and how.

With OMD it was vague and unconfirmed for years how much Peter and MJ themselves remembered or knew, whether they knew they had been married,if they knew they traded it to Mephisto for Aunt May's life, and how it worked and what events were changed or ignored. Same for Peter having Dr. Strange do this same identity removal spell. Even though that happen in like 2006, it wasn't until just like last year that we had it touched on with how the memory erasure impacted Felicia from her time with Peter.

With both Sony and Feige saying they do want to get more Spidey films made with Holland I'm sure we will get some answers in the MCU long before Comic fans got answers to these exact same questions.

thank you for explaining

 

[PoopaPapaPalps]

Is this a nit-pick? I brought this up with a friend last night but I thought Electro should've been the biggest threat at the final showdown. He's an electric god fighting on an all-copper construction. I had to look it up last night but the Statue of Liberty is grounded by the concrete and granite it stands on but it is still really conductive. So much so that it has a lightning rod for regular lightning strikes. Goblin wouldn't have had to worry about it, and Doc Ock's arms are resistant to heat and electricity, but everyone on it and adjoining scaffolding surely would've had a pretty good shock going through them.

 

[Schlegel]

Is this a nit-pick? I brought this up with a friend last night but I thought Electro should've been the biggest threat at the final showdown. He's an electric god fighting on an all-copper construction. I had to look it up last night but the Statue of Liberty is grounded by the concrete and granite it stands on but it is still really conductive. So much so that it has a lightning rod for regular lightning strikes. Goblin wouldn't have had to worry about it, and Doc Ock's arms are resistant to heat and electricity, but everyone on it and adjoining scaffolding surely would've had a pretty good shock going through them.

Works the other way around.... something else being a better path to ground than your body protects you. That's why guys in full body chain mail can do giant electrical arc tricks as a novelty act.

 

[kalkamel]

Spider-Man: No Way Home Appears to Use Recycled Sony Footage

Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures' Spider-Man: No Way Home appears to use footage from past Sony Spider-Man films.

www.cbr.com

 

[kalkamel]

SPOILER!

Anyone else get the sense that Tobey's Spidey was originally supposed to die after being stabbed in the back by the Goblin, but the filmmakers chickened out, possibly due to bad audience reaction during test viewings?

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

SPOILER!

Anyone else get the sense that Tobey's Spidey was originally supposed to die after being stabbed in the back by the Goblin, but the filmmakers chickened out, possibly due to bad audience reaction during test viewings?

Personally, I don't think so.

I believe at the end of the day, everyone was supposed to have a 'happily ever after', except Peter. His sacrifice was to be the point of all 3 movies, so if you had others with bad endings, it would've diluted that.