MR CloneTrooper Helmet ARRIVES !! PICS !!!

[Gytheran]

This is a comparison of a movie-sized stormtrooper helmet compared to the fx(I will remove it if you want me to, Jez).

I wanted to see the helmet compared to a movie-sized stormtrooper to see for myself if it is undersized. And it certainly does not look it.

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[rudolpht]

Originally posted by Gytheran@Dec 27 2005, 03:23 PM
Thanks again for the pic. The MR looks to be the correct size.

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Bobblehead or not, the interior of the TK is 50% bigger than the MR. There is no way the interior of a screen accurate is a third smaller than the FX. No way. The paint scheme is incorrect. Logic need nor apply in the defense of MR. They are probably perfect in every proportion, they are just built for clone kids. :cry but it leaves more room on the shelf where it will sit to pack in other MR helmets, assuming the remaining ones will likewise be undersized.

 

[rudolpht]

Originally posted by Gytheran@Dec 27 2005, 03:35 PM
This is a comparison of a movie-sized stormtrooper helmet compared to the fx(I will remove it if you want me to, Jez).

I wanted to see the helmet compared to a movie-sized stormtrooper to see for myself if it is undersized.  And it certainly does not look it.

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OK, the FX is 50% wider than the TK interior. Conservatively the FX is 15% wider than the screen the accurate.

Anyone can do the math. The MR is too small. Period. Dot. But it looks good on a shelf.

 

[rudolpht]

OK, here we go again, irrational disbelief be damned.

Here is a composting of scaled images. If anything the scale up of the TKs is too small, to be more conservative to the 'opposition'

The MR proportionally is 1/8th narrower than the small screen accurate TK, and that is even BEFORE considering that the EpIII is narrower yet again with the indents marked in red on the cheeks. Regardless, if the TK screen is the metric, the MR is STILL too small.

I hope the jihad of size defense can end or at least people can understand based on facts. And again, even being a kids clone helmet with innacurate markings, I'm keeping mine and will buy the others.

 

[StarWars Collector]

Since there are no movie scenes with both Stormtrooper and Ep III Clonetrooper side by side for reference any comparison is pointless in my view.

 

[rudolpht]

Originally posted by StarWars Collector@Dec 27 2005, 04:16 PM
Since there are no movie scenes with both Stormtrooper and Ep III Clonetrooper side by side for reference any comparison is pointless in my view.

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I agree, but the contention was the basis for saying the MR size is correct. In addition to being pointless, it was a tremendous waste of time solvable with picking up an MR version (no matter how perfectly proportioned) and immediately knowing it's too small. And if anyone wants to go off and extrapolate that the Fett-based clone head is 1/8th smaller than a normal Jedi head, then the live actors may disagree.

 

[Studio Stasis]

When you see the full size clones mockups at Comic Con, their helmets were very well proportioned on their 1/1 bodies. The Rubies helmet and every other AOTC clone helmet just seemed way too small. This one appears correct to me. I imagine some changes were made by MR to make it into a real-world size fitting helmet, which may have involved enlarging it a tad, but IMO it looks much closer to the proper size than the AFX helmet does for stormtrooper helmets.

 

[KevVader]

Hmmmmm.....just an observation, but does the fan built clone use the FX Trooper as a base? ....looks like it does. If so, then wouldn't it automatically be oversized as compared to an accurate clone....using the FX/TE as a comparison?

 

[Megatron]

Originally posted by StarWars Collector@Dec 27 2005, 04:16 PM
Since there are no movie scenes with both Stormtrooper and Ep III Clonetrooper side by side for reference any comparison is pointless in my view.

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not...
A real movie trooper helmet is so much smaller then a FX/GF fan made helmet..
"Pumpkin Head" or the "Extra Large" helmet.
To put on a real movie stormtrooper helmet you have to turn it sideways. The clonetrooper that MR has out is also small but not small if you compare it with the stormtrooper. Which they have also made prototypes (from scans of a real stormtrooper helmet) around the same time they work out the clonetroopers. What am keep seeing is that some people think there helmets is "more accurate" then MR..ummm No. What you think you see on screen is very different then what is there. The CGI is not smaller because its pixel based (the whole movie is pixel based) the physics are in the CGI wire frame. If you don't like the MR helmet then do not buy it.

 

[Gytheran]

Originally posted by rudolpht@Dec 27 2005, 03:10 PM
The MR proportionally is 1/8th narrower than the small screen accurate TK, and that is even BEFORE considering that the EpIII is narrower yet again with the indents marked in red on the cheeks.  Regardless, if the TK screen is the metric, the MR is STILL too small.

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My posts were not an attack on you and you shouldn't take them personally. I don't care whether or not the people of this forum can squeeze their head into the MR clone helmet. The WHOLE point of this was to decide WHERE OR NOT IT IS SCREEN ACCURATE. Just because you can fit your head into the fan-made one and not the MR does not mean the MR is too small... it just means your head is too big ...er or the helmet is to small for your head. :$

And I believe many would agree that comparing it to other, movie-sized helmets serves more of a pupose to determine its size than comparing it to the fan helmet, which we now understand to be BIG.

 

[Gytheran]

To put on a real movie stormtrooper helmet you have to turn it sideways.

yup.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Me don't care. Me have big head. Me still want.

It is a pretty helmet who's paint scheme is a bit overly clean, but still an amazing job. You can't please all of the people all of the time, for sure though.

 

[Gytheran]

Originally posted by Qui-Gonzalez@Dec 27 2005, 05:04 PM
...You can't please all of the people all of the time, for sure though.

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I agree... I just want to know what I'm looking forward to. MR went in the wrong order.. :lol

 

[Gytheran]

here are a couple more pics of someone wearing the helmet.

The scale looks dead-on to me.

http://threads.rebelscum.com/showflat.php?...ev=#Post1584675

 

[DL 44 Blaster]

Originally posted by shortimer52@Dec 27 2005, 01:03 AM
I still think it's funny. We waited almost a year for "any" Clone MR bucket to come out and they still could not get the paint right.
So we still wait for the perfect Clone bucket.

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Exactly.....and they are going to attempt an ESB Boba Fett :confused oooohh boy.

Steve

 

[Gytheran]

Exactly.....and they are going to attempt an ESB Boba Fett unsure.gif oooohh boy.

I actually think the paint issue is a minor oversight.

I would not be surprised if the vast majority who bought this helmet will think the Star Corps were the ones on Utapau with Cody(like I did at first). They'll see the white mohawk in the movie and be none the wiser.

 

[DL 44 Blaster]

Originally posted by rudolpht+Dec 27 2005, 03:13 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rudolpht @ Dec 27 2005, 03:13 PM)</div>

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@Dec 27 2005, 11:09 AM
rudolpht,

Do you have a movie-sized Stormtrooper helmet you could compare to the MR?

I know you believe the helmet is too small, but people have problems putting their heads into the real stormtrooper helmets. I'd like to see a comparison of those two.

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Happy too. I meant to put one up when Benkenove asked yesterday, but just got around to it.

Here's a "screen-accurate" fan made EpIII, an MR, and a TK bucket. The TK is a replacement for my $600 TK, but it's an expertly crafted reveal helmet inside. Unfortunately I don't know the lineage of the outside, but it matches my older $600 version.

I hope this is illuminating, and I'll too stupid to do any trick photography but it should make the size point immediately obvious. I'm still happy to have acquired the MR, even if there will be a Collector's edition someday

Tim

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Hey TIM.....YOU were the one that bought my old TK bucket from ebay. I didn't know it wound up in "family" hands. I've still got pics of it on my hard drive. Glad you still like it. The interior was a labor of love when I did it.

Best,
Steve

EDIT: The lineage of the helmet itself is from "Galaxy Trading". I got the entire armor suit/helmet back in '99.

 

[rudolpht]

Originally posted by DL 44 Blaster+Dec 27 2005, 07:21 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DL 44 Blaster @ Dec 27 2005, 07:21 PM)</div>

Originally posted by rudolpht@Dec 27 2005, 03:13 PM
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@Dec 27 2005, 11:09 AM
rudolpht,

Do you have a movie-sized Stormtrooper helmet you could compare to the MR?

I know you believe the helmet is too small, but people have problems putting their heads into the real stormtrooper helmets. I'd like to see a comparison of those two.

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Happy too. I meant to put one up when Benkenove asked yesterday, but just got around to it.

Here's a "screen-accurate" fan made EpIII, an MR, and a TK bucket. The TK is a replacement for my $600 TK, but it's an expertly crafted reveal helmet inside. Unfortunately I don't know the lineage of the outside, but it matches my older $600 version.

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Hey TIM.....YOU were the one that bought my old TK bucket from ebay. I didn't know it wound up in "family" hands. I've still got pics of it on my hard drive. Glad you still like it. The interior was a labor of love when I did it.

Best,
Steve

EDIT: The lineage of the helmet itself is from "Galaxy Trading". I got the entire armor suit/helmet back in '99.

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Steve,

It's a work of art I'll never part with. I'm sorry it's part of this particular debate but folks were asking for a comparo.

Tim

 

[rudolpht]

Originally posted by Megatron@Dec 27 2005, 05:36 PM

To put on a real movie stormtrooper helmet you have to turn it sideways. The clonetrooper that MR has out is also small but not small if you compare it with the stormtrooper. Which they have also made prototypes (from scans of a real stormtrooper helmet) around the same time they work out the clonetroopers. What am keep seeing is that some people think there helmets is "more accurate" then MR..ummm No. What you think you see on screen is very different then what is there. The CGI is not smaller because its pixel based (the whole movie is pixel based) the physics are in the CGI  wire frame. If you don't like the MR helmet then do not buy it.

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It is not smaller because it's pixel based, it's smaller because it's the wrong size. I guess you missed the joke or the facts.

Screen accurate for a non-helmet is ironic, in and of itself, but you can get the relative size from screen shots. The paint being wrong is harder to explain away, but people do, because it's easy to be an apologist for ones purchases.

It would be impossible to turn the MR sideways to put it on, as it is smaller in that dimension significantly. The whole style of the Ep3 is taller than the squater TK.

The facts are the MR is 1/8th smaller width wise than the small TK. It looks fine because it is well proportioned (exactingly), not because it is the right size. I have already pre-ordered the other ones, so I am indeed buying them, but I'm not myopic to think they are the right size.

 

[Gytheran]

Have you looked at the photos of people wearing them?