I'm thinking it's part of the bigger 'Ruby Storyline', since it started snowing during their first encounter.
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NakedMoleRat
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I forgot, RTD is all about the story-long subtle arc, with the big companion reveal.
But, again, The 14th Doctor is still around, and Kate would have called on him to help.
IDK man... Between him 'retiring', & also having his own TARDIS, he could just be traveling, but if he IS around, I'd agree.
NakedMoleRat
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It was 65 years of her life. He was around at some point.
Absolutely fair point.
I guess at almost any point in history, there could be multiple Doctors on Earth, which from a narrative standpoint could be considered both a plot hole & a storytelling opportunity at the same time.
Surprised that neither Davies nor Moffat have written a throwaway line about Doctors staying away from other Doctors.
NakedMoleRat
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In the 1st episode it was 1963, the Doctor told Ruby that he was here at Totters lane with his granddaughter at the same time.
DarkKnight
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He lacks the age and wisdom of the Doctor, crazy without genius is just immaturity, Baker was crazy and genius
AnubisGuard
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I lost interest in Davies' return when the 14th Doctor used a clown hammer to duplicate the TARDIS. Given the general crankiness of this board, I'm surprised to see people enjoying the new season. Is it actually good?
Pretty much every season since the return in 2005 has had a couple of less-liked episodes, & I agree that a couple since the specials haven't really hit for me, BUT, I've enjoyed seeking out the overall arc clues in all of them. Much like trying to spot the different appearances of Rose during season 4.
I'm always here to discuss theories & such, so here are the storylines I'm invested in...
1-14 invoking the salt-binding with the aliens at the End of the Universe seems to have opened reality up to something nasty.
2-Why is Susan Twist playing different characters, & why is she in every time & place we've seen so far?
3-What does Ruby's neighbor know about the Doctor & TARDIS, & why & how?
4-& of course, who is Ruby & what abilities does she actually have, because so far, she seems to be able to unconsciously manipulate time & reality to an extent.
Anyone have any other questions, answers, or theories?
I'm always here to discuss theories & such, so here are the storylines I'm invested in...
1-14 invoking the salt-binding with the aliens at the End of the Universe seems to have opened reality up to something nasty.
2-Why is Susan Twist playing different characters, & why is she in every time & place we've seen so far?
3-What does Ruby's neighbor know about the Doctor & TARDIS, & why & how?
4-& of course, who is Ruby & what abilities does she actually have, because so far, she seems to be able to unconsciously manipulate time & reality to an extent.
Anyone have any other questions, answers, or theories?
Just saw that the cast list has been revealed for the finale, 'Dot & Bubble', & Susan Twist is listed as a lead, playing a character named Penny. I think this last episode was the most we've seen or heard from her so far.
NakedMoleRat
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I thought this past episode was pretty solid. It reminded me of the Chris Ecclestone series.
The woman was shallow and quick to sell out her rescuer.
The Doctor tried to save a group who’d rather die than get mingled up with ‘outsiders’.
I am wondering though why the Doctor has to be gay just because the actor is.
Watching him and his companion pining away for the same guy is just out of character for the Doctor.
The woman was shallow and quick to sell out her rescuer.
The Doctor tried to save a group who’d rather die than get mingled up with ‘outsiders’.
I am wondering though why the Doctor has to be gay just because the actor is.
Watching him and his companion pining away for the same guy is just out of character for the Doctor.
The Doctor has never had a confirmed sexuality, he's not so much attracted to the gender of a person than he is the person himself. He saw something in Rogue that he was attracted to, and after getting to know him more through the episode, and watching Rogue evolve from a ruthless bounty hunter to someone willing to sacrifice himself for two people he just met, it's no wonder the Doctor fell for him. The 13th Doctor herself was attracted to Yaz, so this isn't the first time the show has broached the idea of the Doctor being in a LGBTQ relationship.
Russell clearly wants to add more LGBTQ representation his second time around, and I'm fine with that. If straight relationships can be portrayed on screen with absolutely no issues, then the same should apply to LGBTQ relationships.
NakedMoleRat
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I was actually speaking about the episode before the one you just wrote about. I guess it’s just a coincidence then that in two episodes he was ‘attracted’ to the person’s character?
In fact, the episode that I was referring to, the Doctor and Ruby turned to each other and simultaneously said ‘Hands off’ after only seeing him. So it had nothing to do with The Doctor getting to know him, it was about the Doctor being gay.
Forgot about that bit. Either way, it wasn't the first time the Doctor mentioned an attraction to a person of the same gender as their current incarnation.
NakedMoleRat
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A good storyteller tells a story. They don’t wrap it around an agenda.
TimDRX
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Think it's pretty telling this thread didn't get a single post for the second series. I stuck with it! I remained a fan through the Chibs years (Whittaker ended up with like, 3 decent episodes...) but yeh, I'm done. (Crossposting a big chunk from another thread)
I don't know who it's for any more. Can't be for kids, since a maybe plot critical joke (like I think a thing happened just to set up this one joke line) relies on knowledge of a comedy duo from the 80s. It can't be for olds because the absolutely incoherent structure doesn't bare up to any kind of scrutiny, there's no cause and effect, stuff just happens. Can't be for woke people because the politics are extremely regressive. Can't be for the anti-woke people because it stars a gay, black actor. Who is the audience for this? :I
My own personal conspiracy is that someone at the BBC sat him down with some mandatory HR videos after the stuff John Barrowman (and Noel Clarke?) got up to on the set of the first series, and in his middle aged faux progressive brain he decided it would be really cool to subvert some of that stuff! So we get the manager of a time hotel immediately getting pregnant with the baby of the head of HR as a joke. Russell. Please.
Edit: oh I have some faint praise to damn it with!
I don't know who it's for any more. Can't be for kids, since a maybe plot critical joke (like I think a thing happened just to set up this one joke line) relies on knowledge of a comedy duo from the 80s. It can't be for olds because the absolutely incoherent structure doesn't bare up to any kind of scrutiny, there's no cause and effect, stuff just happens. Can't be for woke people because the politics are extremely regressive. Can't be for the anti-woke people because it stars a gay, black actor. Who is the audience for this? :I
So the second series was all about getting this nurse home before her shift starts the next morning. She doesn't wanna travel with the Doctor and doesn't really like him. Cool premise, yeh? The final story was about this alt right podcast freak getting a wish granting baby (don't worry about it) and wishing a world into existence where everything is old fashioned, there's no gay people, women only exist to look after kids etc. The (canonically gay!) Doctor and Bel, the nurse, are now a married couple with a kid. Gross! So they eventually break out of it and fix things, hurray. But, oh no, their fake wish world kid has disappeared, so sad yes?
The big end of the series, and this Doctor, turns out, is him killing himself to shoot regeneration energy into the TARDIS to nudge reality back a little bit to make their fake kid come back. The gay Doctor dies to saddle his companion with a kid that SHE DIDN'T WANT before it was forced on her in a bad version of reality. It sucks.
And I guess maybe it's all rewrites and rushed because the actor leaving was a last minute sudden thing. Come up with some other reason, make him fall down the stairs or something, anything is better than this. D:
(it is implied Bel is no longer a nurse in the new version of reality, she's a stay at home mom. Cooooooooooool)
The big end of the series, and this Doctor, turns out, is him killing himself to shoot regeneration energy into the TARDIS to nudge reality back a little bit to make their fake kid come back. The gay Doctor dies to saddle his companion with a kid that SHE DIDN'T WANT before it was forced on her in a bad version of reality. It sucks.
And I guess maybe it's all rewrites and rushed because the actor leaving was a last minute sudden thing. Come up with some other reason, make him fall down the stairs or something, anything is better than this. D:
(it is implied Bel is no longer a nurse in the new version of reality, she's a stay at home mom. Cooooooooooool)
My own personal conspiracy is that someone at the BBC sat him down with some mandatory HR videos after the stuff John Barrowman (and Noel Clarke?) got up to on the set of the first series, and in his middle aged faux progressive brain he decided it would be really cool to subvert some of that stuff! So we get the manager of a time hotel immediately getting pregnant with the baby of the head of HR as a joke. Russell. Please.
Edit: oh I have some faint praise to damn it with!
The best part of the finale was... Thirteen coming back. Look what Jodie can do with good writing!
Especially liked the little exchange;
"I never say stuff like that"
"That's why you get me"
"I should tell Yaz"
"You never do, but she knows"
Still feel like they only finalized the characterization of Thirteen after she left; she's the heavily repressed, thoroughly masking post suicide attempt Doctor after Twelve. But they've been doing a great job making a retcon feel like it was the plan all along.
It flows great: Twelve wants to die as he is but gives up and regenerates anyway, ends up with a personality that cannot acknowledge bad things happening around her, everything has to be fun! Graham might have cancer? Don't think about it! Your friends have questions about where you're from? Blow em off!
She regenerates with a smile and becomes the absolutely broken Fourteenth Doctor, barely held together.
Thirteen was a happy surface covering a well of despair. That's a great character to build stories around. Would've been nice for them to figure it out before she left.
Especially liked the little exchange;
"I never say stuff like that"
"That's why you get me"
"I should tell Yaz"
"You never do, but she knows"
Still feel like they only finalized the characterization of Thirteen after she left; she's the heavily repressed, thoroughly masking post suicide attempt Doctor after Twelve. But they've been doing a great job making a retcon feel like it was the plan all along.
It flows great: Twelve wants to die as he is but gives up and regenerates anyway, ends up with a personality that cannot acknowledge bad things happening around her, everything has to be fun! Graham might have cancer? Don't think about it! Your friends have questions about where you're from? Blow em off!
She regenerates with a smile and becomes the absolutely broken Fourteenth Doctor, barely held together.
Thirteen was a happy surface covering a well of despair. That's a great character to build stories around. Would've been nice for them to figure it out before she left.
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