AVP NEW TITLE!!!!!!!!

AVP was worse that Commando.

They already made a movie that satisfied the Predator fans- its called Predator and Predator2. See how easy that is Predator2- not Predator Requiem or Rectum or any of the RIDICULOUS names they want to call AVP2.

Even for people who aren't predator/ alien fans-people who go to see Sci-Fi movies expect more now a days. Because cgi and special effect DOESN'T CUT IT. Fancy armor, some new toys and all the cgi in the world will not save a weak storyline with even weaker characters.



Just looked this up:
AVP grossed $80,281,096 in the US. Their budget was $60,000,000

Predator grossed $59,735,548 in the US. Their budget was 18,000,000



How sad. What a sad franchise this has become.
 
and after all the dust settles and the movie comes out...guess what?



we'll still be here building predators.....it's what we do...and we do it well


AM
 
AVP was worse that Commando.

Because cgi and special effect DOESN'T CUT IT. Fancy armor, some new toys and all the cgi in the world will not save a weak storyline with even weaker characters.

Actually, I don't want to see that.
In all honesty, I HOPE they don't put too much CGI in there. That's another concern I find very unsettling lately in hollywood movies. I mean in the last 15 years of moviemaking all the effects kinda start looking alike (because there's so much 3D out there) The Alien queen in AVP was a good example. Not that it's badly done BUT your mind recognises it as 3D. They're now at a level where you can't tell the difference anymore whether it's real or digital. Except they always manages to 'shatter the illusion' because the digital creatures do what the puppets can't. It kinda was cool in the first Jurrasic Park but it's become the norm. And predictable. The Alien Queen running like that in the end of AVP, wasn't scary at all, it was just an effect and you know it. And that really destroys a film.

But yeah, I'm the first one to agree with a good storyline first, effects later.
And yeah, the general moviegoer doesn't see the differences between P1/P2/AVP in terms of how the creature look. Really, as a fan you do, but people who just watch movies for fun don't see this. Sometimes it really bugs me, it's cool to see people still care about all this as most don't.
What they'll remember was whether the story/ characters were relateble to them. If you can't root for any character your film is in deep ****.

And "requiem", I kinda like it for know. Maybe....just maybe Fox is planning on killing one of the creatures off, ....for good. :S That kinda first sprang to mind when I read it.
Because you know, it does sounds like someone is gonna bite the dust big time.
 
Well it aint gonna be hard to guess which on would get killed off if they did that is it pffft.

aliens/future/spaceships.


killed off my ass they aint finished milking it
 
no mini speech lee....it's a fact,......

really i just don't care what the **** they call it....

this forum is more than just about movies.... i'm not engaging in any"fox sucks or this movie will blow kinda threads...

i've got work to do....my next suit.


AM
 
just think - in 5 months we'll all be sitting right here talking about the good/best parts and which parts we all liked best etc! we'll be hyping over the merchandise-models/figures/t-shirts/little things

and we'll all mostly be happy at how the film was - or very annoyed at how they mucked it up etc.



(sorry for that little speach - its just when ever im really looking forward to something i always think little thoughts like that)


i do REALLY hope its good though!! even if its bad i KNOW they'll be bits i LOVE - just like in AVP, and if its bad il still like it (if that makes sense) and ill always love predator!!
 
AVP was worse that Commando.

They already made a movie that satisfied the Predator fans- its called Predator and Predator2.

AVP grossed $80,281,096 in the US. Their budget was $60,000,000

Predator grossed $59,735,548 in the US. Their budget was 18,000,000

How sad. What a sad franchise this has become.

OH, C'MON...WORSE THAN COMMANDO?!?!? B) SERIOUSLY, COMMANDO!?!

I know this post isn't likely going to put me on too many "friends list" here, but I'm getting sick & tired of all the time wasted on "AVP bashing" of which has been running rampant here in the Lair lately. What's really stupid about it is many of the same people here who post much of this hate-filled slander of how they're soooo against the first AVP & hate everything this film was...ARE THE VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO'VE CREATED AVP STUFF HERE, INCLUDING FULL SUITS, WEAPONS & A WIDE ARRAY OF OTHER AVP MEMORABILIA!!! (See "HYPOCRITE")

Maybe I'm just the only one here who is not afraid to admit that AVP DID HAVE SOME PRETTY DAMN COOL NEW ELEMENTS & BELIEVE IT OR NOT...ACTUALLY DID HELP CREATE A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER GREAT THINGS TOO!!! If, in reality there actually ARE that many members here who really do hate AVP soooooooo much, than why would so many here continue creating items that are based on the AVP designs!?! I can't help but get the impression that nothing will ever please any of you other than P1 & P2. Yeah, the AVP storyline did have some pretty weak points, but it also offered a lot of really cool stuff as well. It's just common practice for Hollywood these days, however unfortunate it may be. If you truly want to create a change in that trend, then you first have to BE the change you want to see & not just wine about it in every post you make.

Now, I've also gotta give credit where credit is due on this one...regarding Mel's creations in particular. I've been a huge admirer of all Mel's simply outstanding works of art. Mel's stuff is always in a class all its own for a number of reasons, including always being exceptionally original & flat our top notch in every way possible. Mel, your creations are by far, some of the most awe-inspiring, jaw dropping, amazing & incredible designs I've ever seen. I feel strongly that it's a huge loss to the film's franchise in general that you are not regarded as a top consultant for what the design concepts are for any of the creature costumes featured in new Predator films, since your works are easily a much higher quality & caliber than anything seen in ANY of the movies. Yes, that also goes even for the first two films as well. ;)

I've also noticed a few posts heavily scrutinize the difference in the look of how the Predators moved in comparing P1 & P2 to how they moved in AVP. Well, in P1 the Predator way originally meant to swing from tree to tree like a monkey, but since it was filmed b 4 CG became a reality, they had attempted to do this effect by dressing up an actual live monkey in a Predator suit & film the ape swinging from branch to branch! Thank god that idea was completely tossed out the window because the monkey kept ripping off most of the costume's parts. This just goes to show you that not everything that was done in P1 was something to be worshiped for all time. Yes, it was & still is a great film, even in comparison w/ much of the crap that Hollywood attempts to shove down our throats today. Films that can stand the test of time are few & far between, if not even more rare than that. But, to simply hate everything else that's not exactly the same as P1 or P2 was is quite arrogant & also means that you will never again find satisfaction whatsoever within any of the new Predator films made.
I can't believe I'm even saying this, but it's actually gotten to the point here that dozens of people are sounding like (& have the same effect of) that old man who sits on the porch all day, going on & on, blabbering about how everything was sooooo perfect back in the ol' days.

THINGS WILL ALWAYS CHANGE. CHANGE IS INEVITABLE & THEREFORE, UNAVOIDABLE. SOMETIMES IT'S FOR THE BEST & SOMETIMES IT'S NOT. IN MOST CASES, IT'S JUST BETTER TO FIND A WAY TO APPRECIATE & ENJOY WHATEVER THE POSITIVE ASPECTS ARE FOR CERTAIN THINGS & NOT WASTE TIME CRYING ABOUT THE NEGATIVE.

This is why I'll always be a fan of AVP. It may not have been the film you specifically wanted to see, but it's what you got...so, quite cryin' about how you were disappointed by some parts of it & focus on the parts you actually enjoyed. Watch it w/ the mute function on if you have to. If this still doesn't work, go make your own version & have fun w/ it, because you're starting to ruin some of the fun others may be having & trying to make others feel the same negative way towards something that you may believe is infallible.
 
As I have said before. Tina and I enjoyed AVP. Very entertaining move.

Now as far as the Preds done here on the board are better than the movies. I agree,however due to time constraints when filming a movie you can only achieve so much.

Also in a movie the amount of suits,props etc is far more than producing 1 suit.



As for Comando. My biggest dissapointment in that movie has to be sweet little girl who played Matrix's Daughter. You can now see her nude or topless all over the internet.





Cary
 
After all it is a FICTIONAL creature.


YOU SPREAD LIES!!!!!!!...it is not a fictional creature.... IT'S REAL i tell ya....IT'S REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!

watch when i'm like 80, that is what you'll probably be hearing screamed from the "special wing"of the home. or as they drag my ass away to the looney bin.


AM
 
Macguyver.

Frankly sir your talking out ya ass !

I dont make any AVP stuff so ill continue to contribute to these threds as i see fit, if ya dont like dont read em. B)

FACT the pred isnt a love sick ****** puppy , which is how he ended up looking.

FACT they bastardised the pred.

Now be a good chap and Macguyver up a dummy and suck on it.

best wishes.
 
Well put Lee,

The fact is, and some people have yet to realize this, is that this is a message board and that people can post their opinions. My opinion, AVP was garbage, mildy intertaining at best and completely destroyed the creature that KPH so perfectly created in 87. There was no depth of character, just a bunch of ******** slapped on latex while all the money went to a big ass queen alien that was used less than the CGI- T-Rex queen alien that went roaring about in the middle of Antarctica. Wow, what a ramble.

Anywho, the point is that that is my opinion, yours is different and i respect that, just don't go around being a damn pred nazi telling us to shut the hell up complaining about a movie and we won't tell you to pony the **** up and get off your soapbox.

Cheers
 
Thanks Mac for the comments.

I understand what you are saying.
AVP did have some good stuff- in fact the entire scene with the Celtic hunter fighting alien was by far the best.


I still don't like the title
 
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