Accident on the set of Rust.

[Birdie]

Throwing this out there maybe they went “cheap” and got someone who a Armorer that was not worth a hoot...

'Hannah Gutierrez Reed, could not be reached for comment. The 24-year-old is the daughter of veteran armorer Thell Reed and had recently completed her first film as the head armorer for the movie “The Old Way,” with Clint Howard and Nicolas Cage.'

Article also suggests some confusion over reports of a 'live round' since 'A source close to the union said Local 44 does not know what projectile was in the gun and clarified that “live” is an industry term that refers to a gun loaded with some material such as a blank ready for filming.'

Sounds like a clusterfork, with complaints from crew already having been made about gun safety.

'Rust' crew describes on-set gun safety issues and misfires days before fatal shooting

At least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to production managers about gun safety on the set.

www.latimes.com

 

[AJTaliesen]

I'm always for waiting until the facts come out. There's much we don't know.

But, there ARE some things that are always true: if you pull the trigger, you are responsible for knowing what's in it. Always. "Joe said it was safe" doesn't cut it.

And two: you are never supposed to point a gun at a person. If you have to for a special close up shot, both of you need to check, with your own eyes.

This is not just my opinion. It's basic safety that everyone using weapons in film and theater has repeated at them.

 

[BTTUK]

As the fully accredited RPF theatrical props investigation team work this case, it will not become clear to them that this unfortunate death, was not a spur of the moment event.

But there will be seconds, minutes, hours and days where this could have been averted. The build up to every major incident is a catalogue of small, often apparently unconnected, disasters that ultimately conclude with the catastrophic main event.

The key, for our erstwhile investigators, is to dismiss all of the above and apportion blame, randomly, with vigour and to make a pre-emptive decision ahead of an official conclusion.

Because our team is not a cohesive unit using modern equipment with on-the-scene analysis, just individuals using old fashioned, blunt tools, bizarrely, one of them, at the end of this, will actually be correct.

 

[Apollo]

'Hannah Gutierrez Reed, could not be reached for comment. The 24-year-old is the daughter of veteran armorer Thell Reed and had recently completed her first film as the head armorer for the movie “The Old Way,” with Clint Howard and Nicolas Cage.'

Article also suggests some confusion over reports of a 'live round' since 'A source close to the union said Local 44 does not know what projectile was in the gun and clarified that “live” is an industry term that refers to a gun loaded with some material such as a blank ready for filming.'

Sounds like a clusterfork, with complaints from crew already having been made about gun safety.

'Rust' crew describes on-set gun safety issues and misfires days before fatal shooting

At least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to production managers about gun safety on the set.

www.latimes.com

Oh yeah, someones head is gonna roll....

 

[Axlotl]

I'm always for waiting until the facts come out. There's much we don't know.

But, there ARE some things that are always true: if you pull the trigger, you are responsible for knowing what's in it. Always. "Joe said it was safe" doesn't cut it.

And two: you are never supposed to point a gun at a person. If you have to for a special close up shot, both of you need to check, with your own eyes.

This is not just my opinion. It's basic safety that everyone using weapons in film and theater has repeated at them.

If you are paying Joe to keep you safe, and Joe says you're safe, you trust him.

Also, If I hand a child a loaded gun and tell him it's safe, and that child accidentally kills another child with it, is the child to blame for trusting me, or am I to blame for betraying his trust?

 

[joberg]

If you are paying Joe to keep you safe, and Joe says you're safe, you trust him.

Also, If I hand a child a loaded gun and tell him it's safe, and that child accidentally kills another child with it, is the child to blame for trusting me, or am I to blame for betraying his trust?

Well, I guess that the ''chain of command'' and training of everyone involved was lacking. As others have said, what's the norm in L.A. is not the norm elsewhere. The crazy thing, also, in this very sad affair is the fact that the A.D. (that picked the gun and handed to Alec, calling "Cold Gun") was on the 2000 set of Brandon Lee's accident...

 

[dascoyne]

It might be my bias against the actor coming through, but Baldwin tweeting about being "heartbroken" at this time seems lacking in basic decorum.

Meanwhile the news is making it about the AD handing Baldwin a "hot gun" as if he's not to blame and keeps describing how "experienced" he is with guns and how cooperative he has been with police. If Baldwin knew anything about gun handling he would still have checked the gun himself before brandishing it on the set. Is anyone dumb enough to trust someone else pack their parachute without checking it themselves at all?

I want to know what live ammo was doing on the set to begin with. It's Baldwin's production and he will need to answer for that as well.

And the gun didn't "misfire." The gun did what guns do when someone puts a live round in it.


In the end Baldwin was the negligent one. You can't get around that.

 

[Tan Djarka]

I'm no expert on this (duh), but the red flag for me when I heard the news report was "the ASSISTANT DIRECTOR handed him the gun and told him it was safe". I've seen BTS videos which suggest the weapon should go directly form the armorer to the user and back.

 

[joberg]

The production of the ''Rookie" has stated that no "live" weapons will be used on set from now on. Only Air Soft will be used.
Muzzle effects will be added on post with CG.

 

[ScourgiousJinx]

I guess whose fault it is and proving each other wrong in the immediate aftermath of horrible tragedy when all of the facts aren't even out seems like wasted energy and feeding into the "news media's" shock and awe bs.

 

[MattBlack]

Well, I guess that the ''chain of command'' and training of everyone involved was lacking. As others have said, what's the norm in L.A. is not the norm elsewhere. The crazy thing, also, in this very sad affair is the fact that the A.D. (that picked the gun and handed to Alec, calling "Cold Gun") was on the 2000 set of Brandon Lee's accident...

Totally incorrect. He was the AD on sequel, The Crow: Salvation. He never worked on the Brandon Lee movie.

Also Brandon Lee was killed in 1993, not 2000.

 

[PumpkinKing]

It might be my bias against the actor coming through, but Baldwin tweeting about being "heartbroken" at this time seems lacking in basic decorum.

Meanwhile the news is making it about the AD handing Baldwin a "hot gun" as if he's not to blame and keeps describing how "experienced" he is with guns and how cooperative he has been with police. If Baldwin knew anything about gun handling he would still have checked the gun himself before brandishing it on the set. Is anyone dumb enough to trust someone else pack their parachute without checking it themselves at all?

I want to know what live ammo was doing on the set to begin with. It's Baldwin's production and he will need to answer for that as well.

And the gun didn't "misfire." The gun did what guns do when someone puts a live round in it.


In the end Baldwin was the negligent one. You can't get around that.

1000%. You just F’n killed somebody, maybe stay off of Twitter you self righteous p$!&@. The sad thing is he’ll face no repercussion from this.

 

[TazMan2000]

If you are paying Joe to keep you safe, and Joe says you're safe, you trust him.

Also, If I hand a child a loaded gun and tell him it's safe, and that child accidentally kills another child with it, is the child to blame for trusting me, or am I to blame for betraying his trust?

Bravo. Thank you.

We have to keep in mind that this was a movie set and not a firing range. The rules and individual responsibilities are different.
I do think that some of the staff walking off will play a huge part in how this unfolded. Baldwin's job at that time was being an actor.

In the aftermath, with Baldwin being in shock, you can possibly forgive him for his comments. What would you say to her widowed husband if you were the instrument of her death? Would keeping silent be the right thing to do or would saying something be better?

TazMan2000

 

[JoeG]

If Baldwin kept silent people would be condemning him for that claiming he's hiding something or that its some obvious sign of guilt. He expresses remorse and sadness along with his willingness to cooperate with the investigation and he's condemned for that. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

[PumpkinKing]

If Baldwin kept silent people would be condemning him for that claiming he's hiding something or that its some obvious sign of guilt. He expresses remorse and sadness along with his willingness to cooperate with the investigation and he's condemned for that. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

No If he kept silent that would be the natural, rational thing to do of somebody who just went through something traumatic, nobody would blame him one bit.

 

[PumpkinKing]

If Baldwin kept silent people would be condemning him for that claiming he's hiding something or that its some obvious sign of guilt. He expresses remorse and sadness along with his willingness to cooperate with the investigation and he's condemned for that. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Also I don’t know why some people are on here alluding to the idea that Baldwin isn’t “guilty”, he pulled the trigger on a weapon that ended somebody’s life. Every article and story has concluded that much. Obviously he didn’t mean to kill somebody but he did. Regardless of who loaded the weapon, who was “in charge”, who gave him the weapon, who told him to do what he did, it is still on the hands of Baldwin.

 

[AJTaliesen]

If you are paying Joe to keep you safe, and Joe says you're safe, you trust him.

Also, If I hand a child a loaded gun and tell him it's safe, and that child accidentally kills another child with it, is the child to blame for trusting me, or am I to blame for betraying his trust?

100% wrong. First of all, you don't hand the child a loaded gun. It's a child.

As an adult, if someone hands you a gun, check it. Period.

Yes, 'Joe' is also at fault. But you cannot hire someone to take the blame because you feel you're too famous for basic safety.

Bravo. Thank you.

We have to keep in mind that this was a movie set and not a firing range. The rules and individual responsibilities are different.
I do think that some of the staff walking off will play a huge part in how this unfolded. Baldwin's job at that time was being an actor.

Actors are supposed to check their weapons. Always. Others should check it as well, but if you are the one pulling the trigger, you're criminally stupid if you don't look every single time you touch it.

Also you're not supposed to aim at people. You make it look like you are to the camera, but don't do it. Is a close up requires it, it should only be a fake gun, not even blanks, the prop team needs to check when they hand it to you, you need to check it, and NEVER let it leave your possession after you check until after the scene. If you have to put it down or hand it to someone else, check again when you get it back, and the guy getting it held against his head should watch you check it.

This is not Monday morning quarter back, this is what you do. Every time.

Anyone who doesn't or is too busy, is criminally negligent at best.

And yes, I've been in charge of guns on shows. Catch an actor pointing at a human, even in the scene, and he's fired. First offense. Unless he's too famous to be fired or care about your little rules that aren't for him. In which case: you quit.

 

[BTTUK]

Also I don’t know why some people are on here alluding to the idea that Baldwin isn’t “guilty”, he pulled the trigger on a weapon that ended somebody’s life. Every article and story has concluded that much. Obviously he didn’t mean to kill somebody but he did. Regardless of who loaded the weapon, who was “in charge”, who gave him the weapon, who told him to do what he did, it is still on the hands of Baldwin.

Nobody has said it isn't, including Baldwin himself, though I refer to my previous post regarding this scenario.

 

[AJTaliesen]

Btw... The whole thing is so that one person screwing up isn't enough to cause this. Multiple people have to neglect basic safety for this to happen. Multiple people are culpable.

My only point is: as the last link in the chain, there are no circumstances where the guy pulling the trigger is excused from being part of the safety process.

 

[PumpkinKing]

Nobody has said it isn't, including Baldwin himself, though I refer to my previous post regarding this scenario.

Btw... The whole thing is so that one person screwing up isn't enough to cause this. Multiple people have to neglect basic safety for this to happen. Multiple people are culpable.

My only point is: as the last link in the chain, there are no circumstances where the guy pulling the trigger is excused from being part of the safety process.

But if we point that out, suddenly we’re part of a pseudo investigative team that is peddling conspiracy’s. Lol