Accident on the set of Rust.

[gobler]

From what's been gathered. First, the "New" covid rules for some stupid reason requires as little in-person contact which means the firearms were held outside the armorer's trailer rather then secureed inside. Second, this happened either during lunch break or directly after for a rehearsal and new setup. Due to a shadow, they had to move camera and crew to new spot. Since this was at or as lunch ended the armorer was not directly on set. This was a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[dascoyne]

I think most folks here understand this was an event brought on by numerous "failures" by multiple people in an environment where safety was, to say the least, laxed.

However Baldwin, as the person using the gun and the last person to handle the gun, does bear a greater degree of responsibility in that chain. This notion is in accordance with basic principles of gun safety as understood by range masters, gunsmiths, competition shooters, amateur shooters, hunters, Olympic shooters, parents teaching their children and Hollywood actors who handle prop guns. You always handle a gun as if it was loaded and understand you are ultimately responsible for whatever comes out of that barrel. The four universal (and immutable) rules of gun safety have no exception for any circumstance. Everybody who learns to shoot can recite them.

To someone who doesn't shoot they might wonder, what is the purpose of having staff check the firearm in the first place if you are going to do a thorough check yourself in the end anyway? The baked in rationale accepts and accounts for human error. It is inevitable that someone on a bad day would have a lapse in judgement or get careless. When that happens, it is beneficial to have multiple failsafes.

I'm a doctor. Back when I used to do inpatient medicine I would always have to check compatibility of a unit of blood before transfusing a patient (In fact there would also be at least one nurse checking it simultaneously with me and we would read the information on the label out loud together). Another nurse who handled it before I did would have also checked the unit when they received it. Before her, the blood bank who received the order in the first place would also have checked. Of all those people I, as the physician administering the unit, would be the last person in that chain.

If I ever ended up transfusing a unit of incompatible red blood cells to a patient, it is understood that I would be the main one responsible. I couldn't fall back on blaming the nurse or the blood bank before me when I was the last person in that chain.

 

[gobler]

Here is the 8th attorney and one from N.M on the legal side. Unless political feelings get in the way, A. Baldwin is in legal trouble.

 

[harrisonp]

Which if the law finds it to be the case, he should be. He’s also still not a murderer

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

I'll add to the plethora of examples that I thought of today... I had a buddy who, in his teens, was walking with his girlfriend & her family along the beach. Her little brother was about 9 or 10 & just being a complete pest. My buddy looks down & sees a dead jellyfish, & just to be funny, picks it up & throws it against the kid's back. Well, it EXPLODES, & the kid goes into severe anaphylactic shock. Had to call 911 & the brother spent 2 days in the hospital.

Now, at no point did my friend try to cause that outcome, & he almost got in legal trouble, both criminally & civilly. He lost the girlfriend at the insistence of the family, & was in therapy for a while after it, but here's the bottom line..


He could in no way, shape, or form say that he "didn't do it" or even "didn't MEAN to do it", because all the things that happened after were a direct result of what he DID do, & his intent or ignorance of what the final outcome would be was irrelevant.

He picked up the jellyfish & slapped the kid in the back with it. That's what he was judged for

 

[ghostryder]

‘Rust’: Released Affidavit Reveals More Details About Fatal Shooting Accident – Read It

A Santa Fe Sheriff’s Department detective's affidavit for a search warrant of the location of the Rust shooting has been released.

deadline.com

Alec Baldwin Fatal Shooting Film’s First AD Was “Fired” From 2019 Movie Over Gun Going Off, ‘Freedom’s Path’ Producer Confirms

More details are emerging of the pivotal crew member on the set of the Alec Baldwin film

deadline.com

Assistant director of Baldwin film fired after 2019 mishap

The assistant director who handed Alec Baldwin the gun that killed a cinematographer last week had been fired from a previous job after a gun went off on a set and wounded a member of the film crew.

apnews.com

 

[JPH]

‘Rust’: Released Affidavit Reveals More Details About Fatal Shooting Accident – Read It

A Santa Fe Sheriff’s Department detective's affidavit for a search warrant of the location of the Rust shooting has been released.

deadline.com

Alec Baldwin Fatal Shooting Film’s First AD Was “Fired” From 2019 Movie Over Gun Going Off, ‘Freedom’s Path’ Producer Confirms

More details are emerging of the pivotal crew member on the set of the Alec Baldwin film

deadline.com

Assistant director of Baldwin film fired after 2019 mishap

The assistant director who handed Alec Baldwin the gun that killed a cinematographer last week had been fired from a previous job after a gun went off on a set and wounded a member of the film crew.

apnews.com

Yet there was Alec, behind a pew, practicing drawing his gun and, in direct violation of SAG rules, points it and hits TWO PEOPLE.

Killing one.

Practicing with a loaded weapon that he DID NOT CHECK, and even though you aren't supposed to even aim UNLOADED weapons at people, he did.

Killing one of them.

How many movies with guns has he been involved in? Ignoring all the rules.

Practicing. Yet he defies the rules and point his gun at two...count 'em, TWO people.

Did I mention he was just practicing?

 

[JPH]

I think most folks here understand this was an event brought on by numerous "failures" by multiple people in an environment where safety was, to say the least, laxed.

However Baldwin, as the person using the gun and the last person to handle the gun, does bear a greater degree of responsibility in that chain. This notion is in accordance with basic principles of gun safety as understood by range masters, gunsmiths, competition shooters, amateur shooters, hunters, Olympic shooters, parents teaching their children and Hollywood actors who handle prop guns. You always handle a gun as if it was loaded and understand you are ultimately responsible for whatever comes out of that barrel. The four universal (and immutable) rules of gun safety have no exception for any circumstance. Everybody who learns to shoot can recite them.

To someone who doesn't shoot they might wonder, what is the purpose of having staff check the firearm in the first place if you are going to do a thorough check yourself in the end anyway? The baked in rationale accepts and accounts for human error. It is inevitable that someone on a bad day would have a lapse in judgement or get careless. When that happens, it is beneficial to have multiple failsafes.

I'm a doctor. Back when I used to do inpatient medicine I would always have to check compatibility of a unit of blood before transfusing a patient (In fact there would also be at least one nurse checking it simultaneously with me and we would read the information on the label out loud together). Another nurse who handled it before I did would have also checked the unit when they received it. Before her, the blood bank who received the order in the first place would also have checked. Of all those people I, as the physician administering the unit, would be the last person in that chain.

If I ever ended up transfusing a unit of incompatible red blood cells to a patient, it is understood that I would be the main one responsible. I couldn't fall back on blaming the nurse or the blood bank before me when I was the last person in that chain.

But this is more like a surgeon who cuts off the wrong leg.

Or an anesthesiologist who ignores "Succinyl Cholinesterase deficiency" all over the chart.

He didnt check the chart. Didnt verify anything.

 

[JMSupp]

JPH, honest question.

I think everyone agrees that Baldwin fired the shot, so you'll get no argument from me there.

Do you think that he is solely responsible, morally and legally, for the tragic event that killed a person and wounded another?

That is, if you were Judge Judy, and could drag in anyone on the set, anyone credited on the film, anyone involved in anyway, and punish and/or fine them, would Baldwin be the only one at fault?

 

[Captain Dunsel]

…if you were Judge Judy, and could drag in anyone on the set, anyone credited on the film, anyone involved in anyway, and punish and/or fine them, would Baldwin be the only one at fault?

When weighing difficult and important moral, legal, and philosophical questions of this type, I always defer to the wise practitioners of logic and stoicism found on Instagram and TikTok for my guidance.

In a perfect world, the legal system, as we now know it, would be abolished and replaced with trial by hashtag…

 

[JMSupp]

When weighing difficult and important moral, legal, and philosophical questions of this type, I always defer to the wise sages and practitioners of logic and stoicism found on Instagram and Tik Tok for my guidance. In a perfect world, the legal system would be abolished and replaced with trial by hashtag…

I barely even know how hashtags work on my garage door and phone, let alone on the interwebs.

 

[Pumpkinhead]

The Screen Actors Guild SHOULD require gun safety training for all actors and actresses handling guns.​

 

[gobler]

The Screen Actors Guild require NRA gun safety training for all actors and actresses handling guns.​

Is this new or part of the standard process?

 

[robstyle]

Fault is being looked upon by many in finger pointing fashion. People who have no idea about film sets and on set safety voicing opinion on new rules and regulations. Film sets are organized choas. Every moment a camera is not rolling money and time is burning. People are hired for a particular set of skills and knowledge. It's that person's job to do as hired and it's expected of that person to go above and beyond in said job. If one person fails things slow down. In this instance a life was lost. For those pointing fingers and demanding change, do a little research. The rules of safety were obviously not followed in this instance. Facts are trickling in. Wait for those complete facts to form a factual opinion.

 

[dascoyne]

I have a question.
Right after the shooting we know that one person was holding the victim in his arms. Another staff member was on the phone with 911.

What was Baldwin doing all this time? Was he just standing in disbelief? Was he going to the aid of the director? I see photos of him on his cellphone. I really hope he wasn't talking to his agent.

 

[robstyle]

Not sure if the model of weapon in question has been released. Seems like it is a single action revolver speculated to be sourced from an independent contractor. The hammer has to be manually pulled back before the trigger can function. From what I've gathered AB was rehearing a scene pulling the weapon from his holster and firing as camera was setting up the shot. If the hammer was pulled back prior to being drawn from the holster... It's not difficult to activate a live trigger on a single action. I've seen many that are modified to be "hair triggers".

The projectile in question. That's what I want to know and believe that's what this whole fiasco will come down to.

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

I have a question.
Right after the shooting we know that one person was holding the victim in his arms. Another staff member was on the phone with 911.

What was Baldwin doing all this time? Was he just standing in disbelief? Was he going to the aid of the director? I see photos of him on his cellphone. I really hope he wasn't talking to his agent.

Those photos were taken outside the sheriff's office after he'd been questioned.

 

[robstyle]

I have a question.
Right after the shooting we know that one person was holding the victim in his arms. Another staff member was on the phone with 911.

What was Baldwin doing all this time? Was he just standing in disbelief? Was he going to the aid of the director? I see photos of him on his cellphone. I really hope he wasn't talking to his agent.

It would be standard practice to remove talent from set when any injury is present. Whatever AB was doing on his phone, whether he placed the call or it was incommig call, will likely be part of the investigation.


My spell checker changes more words than a burning dictionary

 

[dascoyne]

But this is more like a surgeon who cuts off the wrong leg.

Or an anesthesiologist who ignores "Succinyl Cholinesterase deficiency" all over the chart.

He didnt check the chart. Didnt verify anything.

FYI. One of the possible outcomes of a bad transfusion is an acute hemolytic reaction that can immediately, or through complications be absolutely fatal. That is why we are so cautious. I stand by my analogy.

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

Not sure if the model of weapon in question has been released. Seems like it is a single action revolver speculated to be sourced from an independent contractor. The hammer has to be manually pulled back before the trigger can function. From what I've gathered AB was rehearing a scene pulling the weapon from his holster and firing as camera was setting up the shot. If the hammer was pulled back prior to being drawn from the holster... It's not difficult to activate a live trigger on a single action. I've seen many that are modified to be "hair triggers".

The projectile in question. That's what I want to know and believe that's what this whole fiasco will come down to.

You may already know this, but I'm wondering if he was practicing/rehearsing for a quick draw. The director's affidavit stated that AB was demonstrating how he was going to draw toward the camera, which was the planned shot.

In a quick draw, the shooter's hand comes back & the area between the thumb & finger 'fans' the hammer into firing position. Then the motion & force of the hand coming back kinda catches the top of the grip & pulls the weapon from the holster, then the gun is fired from a hip position right above the holster. There's probably a more eloquent way of describing that, but that's the basic way a quick draw works.

If that was the case, then it's easier to see how the apparent negligence up to him getting the gun can result in what happened. Still should've checked himself.