Sideshow for full size C3PO and R2

Hyperdyne, I think GH makes some good points. He isn't bashing your really cool 3PO, which I also see as cool, but it's no more screen accurate than any other fan suit out there. Don't get me wrong, there have been huge improvements to 3PO goods in the last few months on this very board, but some of us want a hyper accurate ANH 3PO and won't settle for less. It's just part of the hobby. Why negatively criticize someone who wants better than what's available???? It's just the way he percieves what he wants versus what you want. I don't see him bashing you for what your 3PO building goals are. "vendors" on this board get too far bent out of shape when someone comes along and says: your product is really great.......it unfortunately, doesn't meet my own expectations for how a replica should look. Why get freaked out when you know full well that noone out there is making anything better than you already do anyway. It was just a personal observation/desire.

The main point seems to be..........its a bit of a disappointment that a company like Sideshow, who has full references of the film props...............can offer a product that is worse than some of the older 3PO stuff found on this very board.

Of course it's nothing new.......we see companies do this constantly. MR has done it and so have all the other licensees from time to time.

I constantly harp on the distinct probability that LFL doesn't want "hyper-accurate" products in the mass market. Afterall, they are protecting their original prop's authenticity.........all these companies deny this occurs between their product and LFL's approval, but insiders tell some of us that this just isn't the case. Why they lie about it, is beyond me.....but they do lie about it nonetheless.

Peace,

Dave :)
 
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I constantly harp on the distinct probability that LFL doesn't want "hyper-accurate" products in the mass market. Afterall, they are protecting their original prop's authenticity.........all these companies deny this occurs between their product and LFL's approval, but insiders tell some of us that this just isn't the case. Why they lie about it, is beyond me.....but they do lie about it nonetheless.

Peace,

Dave :)
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Don't discount the possibility that there are people who don't want just anyone to have the same cool stuff they do. I'm not saying it's the case with Hyperdyne, but Lucas did stand next to his droid and not anyone elses. Some people might be quite content to have those privileges/opportunities to remain with a select few.

The more people that have R2s, Threepios, etc the less special the ones who already have them get to feel. Like I said I'm not saying it;s the case with Hyperdyne, but I've met people like that in this hobby.

On the other side... I've always been surprised that the guys in the R2 board are so helpful in helping anyone and everyone make the best droids possible. I really like the populist attitude rather than the elitist one.

But I digress… Lucasfilm is the same... of course they don't want accurate stuff out there. But of course they are going to say that it's their goal. Lucas is a marketing genius.

Once you offer an exact replica how do you sell it to people again a few years down the road?

People bought the Icons (or was it Illusive Originals) Yoda. What was up with that?

Each Yoda has been more accurate in some ways and off in others. None have been right. Few have even been close.

Once you give people what they want, they don’t need you anymore. Case in point… the theatrical versions of the film on DVD. The tweak… it’s not 16x9 enhanced thus are already well on to being pointless in a widescreen/HDTV world.

I’ve always been of the opinion that Lucas’ goal is to keep the fans hungry and give them just short of what they want.. yet always keeping the hope alive that it’ll eventually come.

Genius.


Ben
 
hyperdyne, i think that you have been looking at bright lights for too long... calm down brother. :p


yes, at first glance... this thing aint screen accurate for ANY SW movie. period.

why in this day and age of MR and them getting to handle and scan real props, would a liscensed AND IM SURE expensive piece.... well... be crap? :unsure

even for a prototype.

i shall watch this thread with great interest though...

and hope that this is a seriously like hand sculpted rough draft...


and TK, your 3p0s are deffinately the best ive seen at there level of availability...

and HD, your blade systems and EVERY electronic bit or bob youve ever shown blows anything in its remote leauge out of the water...

now shake hands. :p
 
No... you couldn't be more wrong. I hardly think telling you your figure is very nice was bashing it. And if I was an elitist I wouldn't even bother posting here. I am not bashing anyone's figure. That's the point, YOU and a few others were bashing the Sideshow figures without even seeing very large or clear pics of them. And you then puffed up about your own figure being the cat's meow...

Now, all that being said, I thought your 3po was great at C3. Certainly one of the best I've seen.


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That may be, I never said mine was 100% accurate (if you can even achieve that level of accuracy with all the different pieces used and the fact the real ANH suit is nonexistent- which is another story). But when George Lucas himself oogles over my 3p0 that is certainly "accurate" enough for me. :D

I understand you want "more", good for you. But bashing everyone else's with a superior attitude is pretty lame, all the while trumping up your vaporware suit. It appears your level of analness and elitism transcends typical logic. :rolleyes





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Well, I think it is hard to tell what the Threepios will really look like since they are painted, not plated, hence the heavy weathering (If I ever build a threepio, he will also be heavily weathered until I can afford plating.)
A lot of this discussion is going on on the R2 builder's board as well. Time will tell how ity all turns out. I am guessing that the plating versus painting is there to keep costs down and possibly to judge fan reaction. If 20,000 people walked by over comic-con and went "Wow, cool." They would have a reasonable argument to leave it, if every other person said "why isn't it plated?" they might offer an "executive" edition with plating. Fred does this with his Robby statues now. There is the $16k version with a few lights, neon and speakers and the version with the components that rotate motorized for an additional 10k-35k depending on where you buy it (Hammacher Schlemmer is the 50k version.)
I would guess that Fred is involved because he had some replicas ready to be mass produced, or molds and he was willing to pay a portion of the undoubtedly exorbitant licensing fee.
We'll see how it all turns out. Fred has an expensive Robby and Gort and his B-9s were pretty high, though the parts he sells on B-9 builder's club seem about the same as the other sellers there...
Anyone want to guess at the prices for these? 4.5k?
 
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Anyone want to guess at the prices for these? 4.5k?
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The R2 is actually pretty good, if you don't mind the "fiberglass look" of it. It looks MUCH better than the DP R2 in the up close pics that Rebelscum had - and MUCH better than the fg R2's that pop up on ebay all the time, but I'd still like to see more pics up close. Looks like something weird going on with the skirt... In the pics it seems the logic displays light up, but can't tell if they have any color to them or if they're just white light. Also can't tell if the PSI lights up or not, and if so how (blink, fade, etc).

Given that, I'd say R2 is worth $5k or so. Curious if they'll have any options like adding RC or anything, but I doubt it.

I'm not a threepio expert per se, but it doesn't look very good in any of the pictures that have been posted, including the closeups. Seeing as how you can get fairly accurate 3PO's for a few grand nowadays, I really think they need to go back to the drawing board on this one and try to get it closer to the Don Post C-3PO.

-Scott
 
I'd be very interested to know for certain whether or not these are indeed casts from original props. Both look reasonable in my opinion, wouldn't touch 3PO unless it was plated though. It's not as nice as the Don Post in my humble op.

As for R2, he looks ok I guess.. I've recently fininshed my own after 6 years of toil - but I'd still kill to have a droid cast from an original. :D

I have no problems with this R2's distortion (if in fact it's original distortion) but to me the top of the side foot looks a lttle narrow, the vertical panel between the coinslots and vents looks slightly too wide, and there seems something amiss with the slats in the upper front vent, although that I suppose could just be damage to this particular item?

.. Well juries still out for me until I know for sure how they came into being, and I've seen better pics.



Jeremy
 
The straight poop about Fred B and the Side-Show Droids. These are not the droids youÂ’re looking forÂ…

Talked with Fred at Comic-Con last night, and here is what is going on. SideShow asked Fred to sculpt a brand new R2 and 3PO. No re-cast and absolutely no club parts from either group.

Fred did this, and the folks and side-show took them to Lucasfilm for the OK to sell them. They liked them very much, even George, but realized that these were original art pieces and not “real” in the fan’s eyes.

So, the folks at Lucasfilm are going to give Side-Show and Fred access to the real R2 & 3PO to make “archival” quality droids. Yes, molding is being discussed.

Long-story-short; The figures at the Comic-Con are a teaser. This project is just in the beginning stages and there will be various levels of finish, movement, and price.

Expect the starting price to be around half of what Don Post charged.

BrianM
 
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The straight poop about Fred B and the Side-Show Droids.

So, the folks at Lucasfilm are going to give Side-Show and Fred access to the real R2 & 3PO to make “archival” quality droids. Yes, molding is being discussed.

Long-story-short; The figures at the Comic-Con are a teaser. This project is just in the beginning stages and there will be various levels of finish, movement, and price.

Expect the starting price to be around half of what Don Post charged.

BrianM
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Oh I'm liking the sound of this. :thumbsup
 
This is great news.

If Sideshow can do the threepio for $5000-$6000 then I'd certainly be very interested since its something I've always wanted.

It seems odd that Sideshow would show off a prototype that now sounds like its going to be significantly different from the finished version, but if their intention is t produce something of archival quality then full marks to them - I just hope they chrome it

Cheers

Jez
 
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The straight poop about Fred B and the Side-Show Droids. These are not the droids youÂ’re looking forÂ…

Talked with Fred at Comic-Con last night, and here is what is going on. SideShow asked Fred to sculpt a brand new R2 and 3PO. No re-cast and absolutely no club parts from either group.

Fred did this, and the folks and side-show took them to Lucasfilm for the OK to sell them. They liked them very much, even George, but realized that these were original art pieces and not “real” in the fan’s eyes.

So, the folks at Lucasfilm are going to give Side-Show and Fred access to the real R2 & 3PO to make “archival” quality droids. Yes, molding is being discussed.

Long-story-short; The figures at the Comic-Con are a teaser. This project is just in the beginning stages and there will be various levels of finish, movement, and price.

Expect the starting price to be around half of what Don Post charged.

BrianM
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NOW we're talking....... :D

Thanks Brian - you just made my day..


Jeremy
 
Got some news now...threepio will be chromeplated. They raly tried to have it plated for the Con but didn't make it...And in a pricerange of $3000.

;)
 
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Got some news now...threepio will be chromeplated. They raly tried to have it plated for the Con but didn't make it...And in a pricerange of $3000.

;)
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sounds like a good deal.

Glad to hear they do not sculpt new ones, but copy the originals.

Tim
 
So what do they mean by original???

Do they Mean original like they did with the Ep 3 Vader costume that was cast from original molds from Lucas Art... Well.. It all can be original if it is molded in the studio and aproved. It is therby an original mold from Lucas Art. But will it be a Cast of the Movie screen used version??
I doubt it...

Tell me what piece have any of us seen that is cast from a movie cast comming from a licenced product...
Non is my answer.

:unsure :unsure
 
Well, IÂ’ve never been unhappy with either quality or service from Sideshow. IÂ’ve always wanted a 1:1 scale R2 and have zero time to build one so this does sound promising.

I guess the best thing to do is wait and see what the next prototypes look like.

Jim
 
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Talked with Fred at Comic-Con last night, and here is what is going on. SideShow asked Fred to sculpt a brand new R2 and 3PO. No re-cast and absolutely no club parts from either group.

Fred did this, and the folks and side-show took them to Lucasfilm for the OK to sell them. They liked them very much, even George, but realized that these were original art pieces and not “real” in the fan’s eyes.


BrianM



Funny though this is what LFL does with most of the props. Look at the MR pieces... There is not such thing as LFL not wanting accurate replicas being made. They simply sign off on pieces submitted as being good enough.

Oh and I LOVE how MR touts "Once again LFL opens up its archives to bring you this prop", line. What a load of BS. :lol Why can't they EVER just tell the truth?
 
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