Original ESB/ROTJ stunt Vader saber going up for auction...

Tom I would love to know this.. the whole sandwiching the camera guts between the core and top plate never made sense to me. And I figured was a trail and error thing with the graflex

Looks like this same practice was done with the MPP..

Sandwiching the guts makes it possible to add the wires Halliwax because without it you’d just see silver behind the ports.

The metal on top probably is a good idea because vibration and force against a plastic socket would crack it. I always thought the Elstree saber was a first attempt at protecting the socket

I wonder why would this even matter if it's not going to be seen up close anyway? This doesn't seem like a valid enough reason considering the prop department had no reservations wrapping things in tape or foam, hotswapping greeblies where they don't belong, and cobbling things out of completely different elements all together just to make some passing facsimile. Why would this little bit of plastic in exposed port holes get more attention than others? I don't believe the answer has anything to do with continuity. Again, this is one of those things that makes no sense logically of the OT props.

The real question is why they even bothered keeping the socket components at all. It could have just been a solid bar of steel in the uppers as almost all stunts have their sockets covered up with a cap of metal anyway. No one would have known any different. The only reasonable answer I can come up with is expediency on getting these things fencing ready. Take out only what you need to, reinforce what's left and quickly, and deliver it to set. Maybe the concern was to leave some of the upper as close to untouched as possible since the hands don't cover them when being held.
 
I love the thought that this could be the ANH v1 Vader Hero with the silver sidebars and a bent nail to simulate a lever. Whether or not that theory turns out to be true, notice that this one uses a cut-off bolt or screw instead of a bent nail. That's a sensible upgrade.
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Very sensible, you can see this in some of my stunt saber threads on here - this slotted screw. I’m amazed this wasn’t an earlier solution, but it’s what I did when I built my first version of this MPP. Slotted screw all the way!
 
I wonder why would this even matter if it's not going to be seen up close anyway? This doesn't seem like a valid enough reason considering the prop department had no reservations wrapping things in tape or foam, hotswapping greeblies where they don't belong, and cobbling things out of completely different elements all together just to make some passing facsimile. Why would this little bit of plastic in exposed port holes get more attention than others? I don't believe the answer has anything to do with continuity. Again, this is one of those things that makes no sense logically of the OT props.

The real question is why they even bothered keeping the socket components at all. It could have just been a solid bar of steel in the uppers as almost all stunts have their sockets covered up with a cap of metal anyway. No one would have known any different. The only reasonable answer I can come up with is expediency on getting these things fencing ready. Take out only what you need to, reinforce what's left and quickly, and deliver it to set. Maybe the concern was to leave some of the upper as close to untouched as possible since the hands don't cover them when being held.
I completely agree
 
I think its the same shroud from the ANH v1 mpp! These shroud paint chips look to match up. Meaning it could be the same mpp, just re worked into the esb stunt!
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Staring George Costanza GIF
 
More photos are coming out soon

Speaking of which, where did this initial batch of photos come from? I went to their site, but there's nothing up yet.

*Edit - never mind... I see where they came from now.

*Edit 2 - nope, that was just the first pic. My question stands. :lol:
 
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One came from Hollywood reporter and the rest were taken from TMZ

The good photos will be on prop store any day now. Those are the ones I want
 
When I made my first replica, I was surprised at how sturdy the two cores are. The upper core is much bigger than the graflex stunt/DV6

I had a fellow RPF member drill through the upper and 2/3 through the lower, and skim the surface to fit snugly into the Heiland tube I used. I put a grub screw in the lower and upper core, which sits beneath the surface so I could lock the tang in and slide it into the tube. I drilled all the bolts (I only did 2 M6 at the time) and even the upper ones .. with just two little screws, it didn’t wiggle or anything.

The graflex/DV6 upper core is only like…1-2cm long (or whatever) and needed three screws to not flop around. I think the longer length and the lack of weird shoulder pulls allows it to sit tighter in there.
 
When I made my first replica, I was surprised at how sturdy the two cores are. The upper core is much bigger than the graflex stunt/DV6

I had a fellow RPF member drill through the upper and 2/3 through the lower, and skim the surface to fit snugly into the Heiland tube I used. I put a grub screw in the lower and upper core, which sits beneath the surface so I could lock the tang in and slide it into the tube. I drilled all the bolts (I only did 2 M6 at the time) and even the upper ones .. with just two little screws, it didn’t wiggle or anything.

The graflex/DV6 upper core is only like…1-2cm long (or whatever) and needed three screws to not flop around. I think the longer length and the lack of weird shoulder pulls allows it to sit tighter in there.
You are my front man on this Tom, you have been fiddling with this build for has to be 10 years

I can only imagine how exciting this is for you
 
You are my front man on this Tom, you have been fiddling with this build for has to be 10 years

I can only imagine how exciting this is for you
precisely. I believe the first person to tell me I swore at them :lol:

I also had half a moment where I was like, OMG A BLACK BOLT STUNT WHERES THE OTHER oh yeah... it got transformed into the DV6 and will never be that way again.
 
precisely. I believe the first person to tell me I swore at them :lol:

I also had half a moment where I was like, OMG A BLACK BOLT STUNT WHERES THE OTHER oh yeah... it got transformed into the DV6 and will never be that way again.
I remember you telling and showing me and my response “tom, knock it off, all I see is a blur”

But you stayed true to your belief, and further and further evidence started to become public

I’m glad you never gave up, continued your research and shared your theories and findings here

It made us “leaps” ahead now that this has surfaced

Love ya buddy
 
I remember you telling and showing me and my response “tom, knock it off, all I see is a blur”

But you stayed true to your belief, and further and further evidence started to become public

I’m glad you never gave up, continued your research and shared your theories and findings here

It made us “leaps” ahead now that this has surfaced

Love ya buddy
love you too buddy, thank you for this. really thoughtful message, im so glad my wild theories help move us forward!

last night I realized they did NOT chamfer the set screw area on the tang of this saber! The DV6 has a groove. We'll never know if the V3/V2 had one.
 
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