New big-screen Star Wars Rey movie announced at SW Celebration 2023

[Captain Dunsel]

No one should ever treat a single comment I post in threads like this as serious. I am kidding around 100% of the time.

Besides, as I’ve said before, let us just acknowledge that there are those that prefer quality characters, great storytelling, and things that have a profound and lasting impact on our culture—all of which may be found in abundance in the original vision for Star Wars, as presented by George Lucas.

On the other end of the spectrum, there are those that enjoy Star Wars as presented by the Disney Corporation.

There should be room for both points of view in this world.



Also, keep in mind….for every complaint regarding the missteps of the current stewards of the franchise, like Lizzo and Jack Black showing up in Star Wars as cameos…

…I needn’t remind everyone about past productions guest starring Bea Arthur and Harvey Korman.

I think the franchise can—and has—survived missteps in quality and franchise mismanagement.

My work here is done. Go forward in peace, everyone.

 

[Psab keel]

Wait, is that picture of Jack Black, Lizzo, and Grogu for real?

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Wait, is that picture of Jack Black, Lizzo, and Grogu for real?

Yes—dreams really do come true.

 

[Psab keel]

Apparently!

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I blanked out since I read "Toxic" and have to say that is one Britney song I like.


Some fans need to do a video of Star Wars' funeral with a bunch of costumed people. Chuck the Sequel characters in the grave and do it like a funeral.

 

[robstyle]

There is a huge difference between what the holiday special was and the garbage were being served with what's become Disney star wars. The holiday special had a series of unfortunate events that lead to what it became. Disney star wars on the other hand is a controlled environment with time and effort involved. If you want an interesting watch, there are some YouTube videos out there that uncover and explain the holiday special production. Basically someone backed over those involved with a van and bystanders took up the helm. Actually, that's a decent analogy all around.

And if you enjoy the content that's great. What's considered the modern entertainment consumer seems to fall on two sides of the spectrum, those that eat up what they are fed and those that want to know what they are being fed. If disney could understand this, they would create content for both individually. Draw the line between a kids show and a show for an adult. Yet we're at a stalemate with those in charge of the feeding troff. The consumer has no say in what's being served. But they do have the option to not consume it.

 

[HeartBlade]

I really don’t understand what is going on, the whole of Disney is crashing, Pixar hasn’t really had a success since they sacked Lasseter, & now he’s back at Apple (Skydance) he’s poaching all his old workers from Pixar.
Marvel can’t do anything successful lately, Disney+ is now experiencing a drop off in viewing figures of its big tent pole series ‘The Mandalorian’ because it has shifted away from the General Audience & became too nerdy. It also quite frankly isn’t really focused on Din anymore, poor writing , & now doing things that break what George Lucas would allow in his Star Wars Universe, it has basically became ‘uncool’
With the success of A24, showing us that there are film companies prepared to still be creative, films like Top Gun: Maverick, Avatar: Way of the Water, John Wick 4 & now the animated success of Super Mario Movie shows that the cinema audience has been starved of big mainstream films, They are avoiding all Disney because they know it is a tainted product & gorging themselves on films they will actually enjoy at the picture house.
My point is, I thought by now Disney/ Lucasfilm would have read the signs, realised what they were doing wrong & steered away from the iceberg, but instead they are putting more coal on the furnace & staying on course

Sorry for the rant, hope I’m wrong

J

Going back to discussing IPs since I find that more fun than member criticizing (we are all nerds that love props although I get passion breeds tense discussion).

For Pixar, it could be that Lasseter was the key creative making the good stuff at Pixar. Given that he left AND is taking the good people with him, Pixar is now only “good in name only.” Happens alot in the game industry where games suck even though they are under the “same IP” because the people who made it great left the project. Pixar is also no longer the “king of CGI,” with Dreamworks knocking it out of the park with the new Puss in Boots. And criticize Illumination but Minions is popular.

Marvel, I honestly think its superhero fatigue. People still deny it but we’ve had a literal decade of superhero movies (Avengers was released in 2012). I strongly suspect people were already sick before Endgame and only held on because they wanted to see how it all ended. I know im looking for something new and I dont think its a coincidence that new popular movies are not people dressed in colorful outfits.

Star Wars, I thunk they are ultimately just lost. Mismanagement plays alot into it but there is no lore keeper or person who envisions how the story should play out like Marvel had with Feige and Whedon (yes Marcel loosened the ropes later but that was after establishing a strong direction and still knowing they were ending with Thanos).

As for why KK hasnt been fired, its probably due to the fact that there isnt a good replacement. There is a risk in firing Kennedy in that current sequel fans will be upset with Kennedy gone (and Disney for listening to older fans) and when the next star wars fails, it will be blamed on Disney for firing Kennedy who “would have done a good job” as we currently see with Lucas now.

 

[Paul Andrew]

What's considered the modern entertainment consumer seems to fall on two sides of the spectrum, those that eat up what they are fed and those that want to know what they are being fed.

I really love the implication that people who like current Star Wars are somehow less refined. Let me just nudge on up to the trough and have my slop. Kindly ignore my curlicue tail.

 

[Paul Andrew]

As for why KK hasnt been fired, its probably due to the fact that there isnt a good replacement. There is a risk in firing Kennedy in that current sequel fans will be upset with Kennedy gone (and Disney for listening to older fans) and when the next star wars fails, it will be blamed on Disney for firing Kennedy who “would have done a good job” as we currently see with Lucas now.

I honestly think it's more about how she's doing a fairly decent job with the brand. Every show in the world has up and down episodes, and the movies are received about as well as the prequels were, perhaps better by critics. They all do numbers that smaller movies can only dream of. I just don't see the mismanagement that folks have been screaming about since 2015.

 

[Psab keel]

 

[HeartBlade]

I honestly think it's more about how she's doing a fairly decent job with the brand. Every show in the world has up and down episodes, and the movies are received about as well as the prequels were, perhaps better by critics. They all do numbers that smaller movies can only dream of. I just don't see the mismanagement that folks have been screaming about since 2015.

Lol. Kennedy mismanagement is now considered a given in the industry. She, and Disney, have been criticized by mainstream media and experts for mismanaging the Star Wars brand. This isnt a bunch of fans with their panties in a bunch but a given.

Disney's Mismanagement of Star Wars Brutally Explained By Industry Insider

Star Wars has no new film ideas.

screenrant.com

First, just the sequel trilogy. This has been discussed to death on this website whether Kennedy had a story outline at the beginning or not but its clear that there was no significant communication or discussion between Abbrams and Johnson which is why the movies feel so disjointed as a trilogy and why Abbrams had to pull “Palpatine came back somehow.” Regardless of how this resulted, we know the cause is mismanagement and thats on Kennedy.

Second, the frequent announcement and cancellation of movies. What other franchise has so many frequent big announcements of movies that we the public cant really be sure will come to fruition? Even in Marvel which churns out far more movies, the Captain Marvel sequel wasnt announced until it was sure to be ready although there were rumors floating. Star Wars might be the biggest franchise that announces a ton of movies that we can still be sure they wont be released until they are literally on the screen. Hell, look at this thread and how unsure we are that these films will actually get made.

Finally, the rumors of frequent reshoots and changing directors. Its not good when you have directors frequently leave and change or have projects just cancelled. It makes you an unreliable employer.

Star Wars was honestly only as successful as it is now because the OT is so loved as an IP. Critics have stated that the brand is damaged and as a franchise, it is undoubtably worth less than Marvel and depreciated in value. If Kennedy was in charge of a weaker IP, it would have collapsed already.

 

[Jaitea]

I honestly think it's more about how she's doing a fairly decent job with the brand. Every show in the world has up and down episodes, and the movies are received about as well as the prequels were, perhaps better by critics. They all do numbers that smaller movies can only dream of. I just don't see the mismanagement that folks have been screaming about since 2015.

J

 

[Darth Lars]

I really love the implication that people who like current Star Wars are somehow less refined. Let me just nudge on up to the trough and have my slop. Kindly ignore my curlicue tail.

People can like what they like.

I just get the cringe from how Lucasfilm is treating fans like cattle and how fans are gobbling it up. Everything is supposed to just be so "amazing" all the time, and fans are just supposed to cheer and consume Consume CONSUME!
This didn't start during the Disney era under Kennedy, not at all. It has been this way for a long time.
For instance, Rick McCallum back when he was producer for the prequels seemed to have a disdain for fans.

It is especially hard for me to see anything from Star Wars Celebration that is from the main stage.

 

[Cameron]

Script prediction:
Rey accidentally opens up a force doorway and lets in a multiverse of Sith. Her daddy and all the Sith from all the multiverse (including the animated ones) must be stopped by all the Jedi from the multiverse. At the end Tony Stark dies.

 

[Paul Andrew]

I just get the cringe from how Lucasfilm is treating fans like cattle and how fans are gobbling it up.

I don't mean to single you out, but what is with all the livestock metaphors?

Folks who like the new content have the same choice as the ones who don't. It's not being FED to them. They are choosing to consume it or not.

 

[VanPersie]

I don't mean to single you out, but what is with all the livestock metaphors?

Folks who like the new content have the same choice as the ones who don't. It's not being FED to them. They are choosing to consume it or not.

Whilst true, i’d counter with the example of The Mandalorian. Some people had no desire to watch BoBF so didn’t to begin with, until S3 started and then they realise they’ve missed what went on with Grogu to come back, so then they have to go and watch the BoBF episodes.

Yes they didn’t have to satisfy their curiosity and just accepted he’s back now, however on the other hand, why should they have to choose whether to watch another show to get info on the one they wanted and liked to watch?

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

Whilst true, i’d counter with the example of The Mandalorian. Some people had no desire to watch BoBF so didn’t to begin with, until S3 started and then they realise they’ve missed what went on with Grogu to come back, so then they have to go and watch the BoBF episodes.

Yes they didn’t have to satisfy their curiosity and just accepted he’s back now, however on the other hand, why should they have to choose whether to watch another show to get info on the one they wanted and liked to watch?

I was a big comics reader back in the day. I remember reading Marvel & there'd be someone new, like Spider-man's black symbiote suit. There's maybe a line of dialogue acknowledging it, but there'd be a little box at the bottom of the page with a reference to the series, title, & issue where he got it. It was a HUGE thing to be changing, but it was entirely up to me as to whether I wanted to go back, hunt down, & actually read the Secret Wars story.

I look at stuff like this the same way. Media has always used one platform to promote another. TV shows have used episodes as back backdoor pilots for other shows, or crossed over to help sagging ratings of other shows.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it's always happened, but to me, if creators assumed they could do it in ANY franchise, then it's this one. Since the OT, fans have poured over every single frame looking for details. I remember before the PT, EVERY thing that was leaked or released had entire essays written about what every detail could be, what it means, or what it could be related to.

For better or worse, I believe The powers that be in the franchise enjoy a certain shorthand with the assumed audience that allows them to present something without the need to expressly explain it.

 

[Psab keel]

Grogu and Mando being reunited is pretty crucial information. S2 ended with them parting ways. If S3 starts with them together and you didn't watch BOBF it would be pretty jolting, no?

Crossovers are one thing but missing vital information is one of the many issues that plagued the ST and it seems it was kind of necessary to include their reunion.

Idk. I don't watch these shows but that makes more sense to me.

 

[James Kenobi 1138]

Grogu and Mando being reunited is pretty crucial information. S2 ended with them parting ways. If S3 starts with them together and you didn't watch BOBF it would be pretty jolting, no?

Crossovers are one thing but missing vital information is one of the many issues that plagued the ST and it seems it was kind of necessary to include their reunion.

Idk. I don't watch these shows but that makes more sense to me.

If you're not a Marvel fan and you haven't see any of the Marvel superhero movies but you like Paul Rudd you could watch 'Ant-Man' and enjoy it's self-contained story.

Later when you see 'Ant-Man and the Wasp' you'll probably wonder why Scott is under house arrest with an ankle monitor because none of that happened in the first 'Ant-Man'. Sure, there is a blink-and-you'll-miss-it line by Agent Woo explaining to Cassie why her dad is under house arrest, but because you didn't see 'Captain America Civil War' you didn't see what happened with Ant-Man and the gang at the airport in Germany so you'll either have to accept the details given in AM2 or go back and watch CACW.

Unfortunately this is the side effect of modern movie connected universes. Movies that 'can' work on their own, but work better when you see all the different chapters/stories from the cinematic universe.

In essence sequels are no different. 'Blade Runner 2049' and '2010 The Year We Make Contact' both work as independent stories/movies giving enough backstory and exposition to understand the movie without needing to see the first one. But I think everyone will agree seeing the first one makes the second one better and helps things make more sense.

In my opinion 'The Empire Strikes Back' is only as good as it is because of the groundwork first laid down by 'Star Wars'. I have always looked at all of Star Wars movies as one giant movie from EP1-2-3, to Close Wars/Bad Batch/Solo/Rebels, to EP4-6, to the Mando-verse shows, and finally to EP7-9.

To me not watching BoBF is like is like watching 'Star Wars' and then going straight to 'Return of the Jedi'. "Why is Han in a block of ice?" "Why does Luke have a robot hand?" "Darth Vader is Luke's father? When did that happen?"

 

[Joek3rr]

I don't mean to single you out, but what is with all the livestock metaphors?

Folks who like the new content have the same choice as the ones who don't. It's not being FED to them. They are choosing to consume it or not.

From my experience. I didn't realize how much of a consumer I had become, until I stepped away back from it. It was almost a little scary. I realized, that I had been blinded by my nostalgia for the brand. I also came to realize that they are really good at manipulating our emotions as fans. They weaponize our nostalgia.